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Title: Wazzup!
Post by: Genoism on November 19, 2006, 11:11:13 pm
Haven't been here in a looong ass time, schools keepin me busy as hell these days. You guys still kickin, I heard from a highly unreliable source the BWO will be out 'soon'.  :lol:
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Nix on November 19, 2006, 11:14:06 pm
Damn, the icon went red for this?    :doubt:
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Prophet on November 20, 2006, 01:01:26 am
Another two wasted clicks... ;)
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Snail on November 20, 2006, 02:51:49 pm
It's already out, go look at the trailer.
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Mefustae on November 20, 2006, 06:51:48 pm
heard from a highly unreliable source the BWO will be out 'soon'.  :lol:
It's probably a dead campaign now. I think this because no forum activity for almost a month and a half.
You can see the internal forum?
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: IceFire on November 21, 2006, 08:36:14 pm
I didn't know there was a secret forum. I thought that they just use personal messages. Maybe I just forgot that they had an internal forum. I meant the external forum was quiet for so long.
Stuff is still going on. Slowly...but still going on. Its not dead.
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: spartan_0214 on November 21, 2006, 08:51:26 pm
yet.

I've been waiting for a long time. At the very least, could you post an updated movie or mission? The reason we're all starting to drift away from BWO is becuase there hasn't been any news recently....
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: IceFire on November 21, 2006, 09:03:26 pm
That would distract what work is being done on finishing it.  There isn't much for us to tell at this point...I was hoping to have finished long ago but these things take enormous amounts of time and effort. I'm barely contributing myself as I've got so much on my plate these days.

Its fine if the public forum is dead for not to be honest....you folks can chat and discuss anything BWO related if you'd like.  I happily answer any questions that hit us.  Till its ready...it'll be really hard to show you guys any more than we have.
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: spartan_0214 on November 21, 2006, 09:05:22 pm
anything you say....

release date???
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: IceFire on November 21, 2006, 09:09:25 pm
You're new here aren't you...
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: spartan_0214 on November 21, 2006, 09:12:16 pm
comparatively.......yes
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Nix on November 22, 2006, 12:00:03 am
I think he's making up for his lost posts when a certain thread got deleted. :blah:

Edit:  No one's drifting away from it.  If you make a blanket statement like that, expect to get burned.

Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Snail on November 22, 2006, 10:04:03 am
How does it end? ;)
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Selectah on November 22, 2006, 03:06:31 pm
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these things take enormous amounts of time and effort
Listen to the guy, would you. Give the team some more time, folks. I mean, think about it; it took almost 32 months(!) to create Descent: FreeSpace 1 and Silent Threat and FreeSpace 2. That's a looong time working on stuff, folks.

Cordially,
~Selectah
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Snail on November 22, 2006, 03:17:40 pm
I meant how the plot ends. And since the spoiler tags aren't working... ;7

Spoilars for all!!!

Of course that's never going to happen. :lol:
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Nix on November 22, 2006, 03:44:50 pm
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these things take enormous amounts of time and effort
Listen to the guy, would you. Give the team some more time, folks. I mean, think about it; it took almost 32 months(!) to create Descent: FreeSpace 1 and Silent Threat and FreeSpace 2. That's a looong time working on stuff, folks.

Cordially,
~Selectah

And the people at V put in 8+ hour days, probably a lot more, and they're getting paid to do it, so they have a LOT more motivation than freelance modders do.  Free time gets eaten up by real life faster than you think.  At least the project heads are still actively moderating and awnsering questions as best as they can.  Some people just disappear from the scene, like the people who worked on the original Derelict missions. 
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: IceFire on November 22, 2006, 04:26:37 pm
Just to put things in perspective...I started the beginnings of this project while I was in Grade 12.  I'm now graduated from university and work for a living :)

Three quarters of the original staff have moved along as well.  We're making do with the testers and Ace and BlackDove and things will get done.  Then we can all rest and breath a sigh of relief and you folks can have some fun with the whole thing.
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Taristin on November 23, 2006, 01:40:41 am
Race you with the Machina Terra Team!
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Mefustae on November 23, 2006, 02:31:39 am
Race you with the Machina Terra Team!
It'd be just like the story of the tortoise and the... tortoise.
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: IceFire on November 23, 2006, 03:58:04 pm
Race you with the Machina Terra Team!
It'd be just like the story of the tortoise and the... tortoise.
LOL...so true. We are still in a race I think.  I'm not sure who will win...we might! :D
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: IceFire on November 23, 2006, 04:47:08 pm
Even though life can slow progress, I'm confused as to how Woo (creator of Inferno) has so much free time to always respond to the forum and do work on Inferno. Is it impossible for BWO to have the same situation?
Woo isn't me or Ace...or BlackDove :)
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Snail on November 24, 2006, 04:19:36 pm
As Woo said himself, he doesn't have a social life , unlike the BWO people, who do spend more time with family and friends (or getting drunk at late-night pubs :P).
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Genoism on November 25, 2006, 04:50:33 pm
just haven't heard anything for a while so its nice to see ppl still kickin around here :p
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: IceFire on November 25, 2006, 06:31:21 pm
As Woo said himself, he doesn't have a social life , unlike the BWO people, who do spend more time with family and friends (or getting drunk at late-night pubs :P).
Pubs + drinking = yes :)
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: SA22C on November 27, 2006, 12:01:38 pm
At what point do we start throwing the words '3d Realms' and 'Duke Nukem Forever' at these guys?

This campaign has been in development since before the millennium.  My guess is that it will never see the light of day.
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Ace on November 27, 2006, 03:10:15 pm
Funny how no one reads threads asking for some help on the campaign, even when they give away the status of it.
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: IceFire on November 27, 2006, 05:42:43 pm
At what point do we start throwing the words '3d Realms' and 'Duke Nukem Forever' at these guys?

This campaign has been in development since before the millennium.  My guess is that it will never see the light of day.
Thanks for your support and encouragement.
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Mefustae on November 27, 2006, 10:37:07 pm
That means that SA22C is probably wrong when saying it won't be released.
Oh, ya think?
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Taristin on November 27, 2006, 11:04:59 pm
At what point do we start throwing the words '3d Realms' and 'Duke Nukem Forever' at these guys?

This campaign has been in development since before the millennium.  My guess is that it will never see the light of day.

No one's gonna say it? I have to?  *sigh* Ok...



Asshat!
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Selectah on November 28, 2006, 02:25:06 pm
Yo,

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At what point do we start throwing the words '3d Realms' and 'Duke Nukem Forever' at these guys?
Feel free to do so at any given time. 'Elite 4', anyone?
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This campaign has been in development since before the millennium.
As have many, many, many other campaigns.
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My guess is that it will never see the light of day.
You mean like FreeSpace: Close Quarters? Or the long-dead S/W TC? Or countless others?

Cordially,
~Selectah
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: spartan_0214 on November 28, 2006, 05:29:55 pm
Y'know, he has a point. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: IceFire on November 28, 2006, 10:13:08 pm
Folks...let me say this as briefly as I can.  BWO has been in development a long time yes...but part of that time was spent putting together a very detailed plan as to what was going to happen, what steps need to be taken, and how the story and missions are laid out.  Lets assume the worst case scenario and we run out of steam...if there are enough talented developers willing to step in...the campaign could still be finished because the plan is still in pretty good shape.

Progress is made slowly...but the team isn't exactly aimless and bumbling about not sure what to do.  There is a plan...we will follow it.  Some day this will be finished.  I hope its sooner than later. Every time we make progress the whole thing comes together so much more.  I know some of you folks are anxious to get your hands on it and play the thing through.  I wish you could right now...but it isn't ready.  Not just yet.
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Ace on November 29, 2006, 12:36:16 am
...and I'll make it blunt, for those complaining that this campaign isn't being released you can be my guest in volunteering to UV map and convert the HTL ships.

Hell if you're eager enough and do it fast enough I'll single-handedly do the final mission pass and have it done and out by christmas.
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: spartan_0214 on November 29, 2006, 06:17:33 pm
If, heaven forbid, you run out of steam, I'll pick up what you guys leave. BWO, along with all the time and effort you guys have put in deserves to be released. IMHO, I'd rather have a perfect later release than a buggier, less well-designed earlier release...

Here's some more steam to keepy you going:

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Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Goober5000 on November 29, 2006, 06:33:33 pm
Folks...let me say this as briefly as I can.  BWO has been in development a long time yes...but part of that time was spent putting together a very detailed plan as to what was going to happen, what steps need to be taken, and how the story and missions are laid out.

Let me say this even more briefly: FEATURE CREEP. :p Wasn't BWO originally a ten-mission, no-mod campaign? :D

(Not that I blame you one little bit.  ST:R has been feature creeping since 2002. :))
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Ace on November 29, 2006, 06:36:33 pm
Yup, if it wasn't for HTL we'd be done with the mods and moving on.

Damn SCP people... both the Sollies and the Source Coders :p
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Wobble73 on November 30, 2006, 08:00:46 am
ST: R = ???

Silent Threat: Reborn!  ;)
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Bobboau on November 30, 2006, 04:11:30 pm
feature creep!? BWO!? unposable!!!

I mean what sort of idiot would just keep insisting on more and more ships weapons animations ect on and on and on, adding half a new fleet every time it looked like progress was being made.
I mean.... it... certanly wasn't me....
... :nervous:
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Cobra on November 30, 2006, 04:24:07 pm
Hey, if it's going to be out by Christmas, have at it! :D

feature creep!? BWO!? unposable!!!

I mean what sort of idiot would just keep insisting on more and more ships weapons animations ect on and on and on, adding half a new fleet every time it looked like progress was being made.
I mean.... it... certanly wasn't me....
... :nervous:

:lol:
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Taristin on November 30, 2006, 07:32:30 pm
feature creep!? BWO!? unposable!!!

I mean what sort of idiot would just keep insisting on more and more ships weapons animations ect on and on and on, adding half a new fleet every time it looked like progress was being made.
I mean.... it... certanly wasn't me....
... :nervous:

Why didnt you map the dan fleet then?! :p
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: IceFire on November 30, 2006, 07:54:35 pm
feature creep!? BWO!? unposable!!!

I mean what sort of idiot would just keep insisting on more and more ships weapons animations ect on and on and on, adding half a new fleet every time it looked like progress was being made.
I mean.... it... certanly wasn't me....
... :nervous:

Why didnt you map the dan fleet then?! :p
He did. Then the source code came out, and we got HT&L...and then we started building ships for the HT&L enabled version with much higher poly limits :D
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Rand al Thor on December 01, 2006, 06:58:09 pm
Lads, I'm sure you don't need me to say this but.... please ignore those cretins. I mean Jebus! How many times on however many different mods is someone going to complain and bi*ch about completely free material created in someones' own time not being available for them to use, pick apart and most likely continue to bi*ch and moan about things they didn't like about it. Much as I'd hate this to be the outcome, BWOs is the teams project/hobbie, and when they're finished they can keep it all to themselves if they want. And 3D Realms GET PAID!

Christ, it really annoys me that I get so annoyed by these annoying whimpering wastes of keypresses.

Don't get me wrong, I'm far too lazy and unmotivated (and a little busy) to put a serious attempt into learning how to help out so I just wait quietly and say I'm looking forward to it every now and then. Talk about born with a silver spoon in mouth.

Rant aside, just out of curiosity, how many times do you think you could've complete BWO if you hadn't had to upgrade everything. It must be very painful having to completely discard perfectly good work just because it's now possible to add spec maps and 3k more polys.

And that is NOT a sly dig at those amazing SCPers.

Keep heart lads!
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Gregster2k on December 04, 2006, 03:51:12 pm
I'll wait five more years if that's what it will take. Unfortunately, by then, the SCP will be so advanced that BWO would have to be upgraded AGAIN. :P
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Polpolion on December 06, 2006, 03:11:03 pm
I'd be happy to wait as long as it takes to make it perfect. Take your time, dev team. And keep up the good work! All the media looks really good! :)
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Charismatic on December 14, 2006, 07:09:03 pm
Keep up the long lasting work. And im getting a new labtop for CHRISTmas. Hopefully SCP works on it so i can finaly enjoy the better graphics, (AND BWO)!

EDIT: WOot, page 3!
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Ace on December 14, 2006, 09:56:02 pm
Foolish Terran holidays and superstitions. The Scion of Vasuda will usher in a new era and will cast down the idols!
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Snail on December 15, 2006, 09:28:23 am
Death to the Hammer of Light heretic!

And do more work on BWO or we will smite you. :)
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Mars on December 15, 2006, 08:29:47 pm
Foolish Terran holidays and superstitions. The Scion of Vasuda will usher in a new era and will cast down the idols!

Aren't Zods supposed to be highly religious?
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: BS403 on December 16, 2006, 12:34:22 am
Perhaps he meant false idols
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Snail on December 16, 2006, 03:13:29 am
Idols rock. Hail Baal......
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Ace on December 16, 2006, 06:33:01 am
Perhaps he meant false idols

Specifically Terran ones. ;)
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Snail on December 16, 2006, 07:58:09 am
Well Johova/Yahweh has no idols, does it?
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Ace on December 16, 2006, 08:38:45 am
The Terran deities are false ones that the Scion shall cast down. Humanity will embrace the truth!
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Snail on December 16, 2006, 03:02:51 pm
Scion? THE DESTROYERS!!! ~muahahahahahah~
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Col. Fishguts on December 19, 2006, 08:43:24 am
Laugh while you can. Whence the Inhibitors arrive, you shall all be eradicated.
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Snail on December 20, 2006, 09:21:50 am
You all suxor. Go PF. (none of you here will probably know what PF is tho)
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Prophet on December 20, 2006, 10:45:03 am
A stream of possibilities is flowing trough my mind. Unfortunately I can't afford the letters to write them all here...
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: achtung on December 25, 2006, 02:33:18 pm
:(
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Ace on December 25, 2006, 09:37:50 pm
You all suxor. Go PF. (none of you here will probably know what PF is tho)

Even the pastafarians are no match to the might of the SoV!
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Snail on December 25, 2006, 10:12:47 pm
I'm thinking of joining the NTF now. ;)
Title: Re: Wazzup!
Post by: Getter Robo G on December 29, 2006, 01:46:36 pm
I'll wait five more years if that's what it will take. Unfortunately, by then, the SCP will be so advanced that BWO would have to be upgraded AGAIN. :P

Bite that tongue of yours!  :D There's no way we'd allow that to happen. You guys are going to release it when it's done (as of current technology), right?  [Just in case starts a stockpile of torches and pitchforks]...