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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Vasudan Commander on January 12, 2007, 04:02:54 am
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Apologies if this poll has already been. Voting can be changed, so if you see a typo, or see a bomber that isnt listed (mods do NOT count), then by all means, add it.
The Artemis has my vote. For a bomber, its maneuverability and speed are well above average. Although it cant carry Helios torpedoes, it can carry quite a compliment of cyclops, and can mount the maxim cannon. My usual strategy is to shoot out turrets with maxim cannon, then open up with torpedoes.
Although with this strategy in mind, i'm left wide open to fighter attack....
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You spelled Boanerges wrong :P
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I demand you put the Athena there.
It may be slow to even dent the capital ship, but boy, will the fighters escorting it have a surprise or two!
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The big ugly long one. Was it the Ursa? But better than that... tbp's Valkyrie gunship.
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i hate the medusa, cant even cary helios.
And i agree, Athena is the best bomber out there :D
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Indeed! Add the Athena in there! I DEMAND it...
But since it's not in, I'll say Ursa.
One hell of a shielding, 5 primaries for some serious firepower (against fighters and capships alike), a kayser turret and a unprecedented missile capacity.
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Athena is by far the sexiest ship in the whole game!!!! hehe
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The Ursa. It may be a shoe box against fighter, but against capships it rocks.
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You haven't played Ursa versus Aeolus/Hecate/any FS2 ship with flak.
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The Sekhmet by far. It can actually dogfight and has good guns and missile capacity plus the good armor too.
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sehkmet and ursa both suck! You know why? Because the banks arent even, you cant lag bomb as effeciently with it. And i dont feel like explaining what lag bombing is either, but i will give u a hint, it isnt bombing with lag problems. :P
You would know this if you played multiplayer.
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I used the Ursa in "Slaying Ravana", "The King's Gambit" and "The Sicilian Defence". With excellent results :P
And the Ursa looks cool.
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lol any heavy bomber in the single campaign will work, just try playing a mission like Breaking the Seal, where lag bombing is an important factor.
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The Sekhmet by far. It can actually dogfight and has good guns and missile capacity plus the good armor too.
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Athena is by far the sexiest ship in the whole game!!!! hehe
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Sekhmet for me.
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Sekhmet. This isn't much of a contest really; the Sekhmet is almost unbalanced compared to the others, even if it looks ugly as sin.
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The Sekhmet rocks
cock.
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Ursa. Firepower to spare, and big enough to have a dance party inside. :)
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And a Kayser turret.
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the new Zod Bomber(Sekhmet) my pick, because its the only bomber where it dont sacrifise much by the way of anything.
Personally i hate the Ursa, its slow unmanouverable the gun points are crap and it looks like a brick.
The Boanerges is not that much good either, its ugly, its slow and its a heavy bomber without a turret, the gun points are crap.
The Zeus is not much better either although its more manouverable but has a lighter armour, dont carry much in the way of bombs.
The Madusa has a turret and is half manouverable, its ugly and also its not as good as some other bombers.
The Artemis, i never really liked, its ugly, it has a limited weapon loadout.
The Athena, it dont carry much, its weapon points are crap but is manouverable.
The Osirus, the less said about this bomber the better.
The Bakha, its well put it like this, your early grave if your not careful.
The Amun, Terrifingly ugly ship, it cant carry much, its unmoanouverable, its gun points arent as good as some but better then the Ursa and Boanerges.
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Yes! Forward for the Sekhmet!
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The Bakha is actually pretty good too and can be used purely as a heavy fighter. It's comparable to the Herc II in many respects. Although it's a bad choice (compared to the Sekhmet) in the one place where you're forced to use it, in Bearbaiting. :p
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Bearbaiting was a ****ty mission. :\
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Bearbaiting was a ****ty mission. :\
I modified it to use the Sek and it wasn't any easier.
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No, I mean it wasn't fun, more annoying.
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The Athena, it dont carry much, its weapon points are crap but is manouverable.
It's not a pure bomber, but what do you mean the weapon ports are bad? The primary weapons are so close together that it's impossible to miss anything. Now the URSA, I'd have to agree with you on that...considering that they're only good for hitting ships bigger than a cruiser.
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isnt commander zane from freelancer ? :P
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I remember in my n00b stages, whenever I got to that mission, I had to go to very easy, (I didn't know I could use 2 bomb racks at once) and eventually beat it, then it jumped out .5 seconds later, and mashed me, leaving me with 2 Hull Integrity, I was so scared I just stayed away from the Demon, a Good 8km out.
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I've never had much trouble hitting things in an Ursa myself. You just have to aim a bit to the side of the gunsight, depending on your distance from the target. It's all about being able to adapt. ;)
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Ursa
I love the flying bus
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SHORT BUS!!!
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Short bread.
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yes Commander Zane is from FL.
Commander Jun'ko Zane, Abbreviation = Juni.
spoilers below to people who have not played FL in thier life, view at your own risk.
Promoted to Colonel by Orillion on the Osirus.
Orginally from Planet Kyushu in the Kusari (Japanese controlled) part of the Sirius sector Juni Grew up on Kyushu, when she was old enough she went to Libery to explore more possiblities, she joined the LSF (Libery Security Force), the LSF meaning, the American part of Sirius called Libery. for years she fought the Pirates and The Order before the engagement of Adimral Schultsky and the Donau.
After the Fight against being framed and finding out the Nomads have taken over the humans as hosts in Rheinland, German controlled part of Sirius. She then joined the ranks of The Order along with Michael King and Edison Trent with the rank of Colonel to push back the Nomads out of the heaviliy populated human controlled sirius.
Michael king another LSF officer, and Edison Trent a Freelancer (free man) a player controlled character.
that aside, the bombers.
it firing point is at the top back of the cockpit, and when your in a firefight that gun placement will make a few problems as ive seen myself, but notto worry i have adapted and learn quickly.
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Oh, I thought you were referring to my multiplayer character {Cdr}-Zane.
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Why was the Medusa removed
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GTB Artemis
(because I can engage fighters with it)
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omg the brick, its... its... its gaining voters!!!.
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Why was the Medusa removed
Well, in case you didn't notice everyone wanting the Athena in more than anything... :nervous: and hating the Medusa more than anything... :nervous: you get the idea... :D
First vote for Athena! :D
I can blow up capital ships in an interceptor if I felt like it...the Athena's just too damn nice looking to put down.
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Ursa looks the best, but sekhmet IS the best.
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make it so we can change our vote plz
Ursa looks the best, but sekhmet IS the best.
I beg to differ, Athena looks the best and IS the best :P
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Athena rocks but no athena so URSA
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look again buddy Athena is there.
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I could have sworn it wasn't there when i went to vote :(
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i wonder if anyone would of chosen the PVB Amun :nervous:
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I could have sworn it wasn't there when i went to vote :(
it wasnt, he added it. which is why i asked him to make it so we can change our vote.
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I must have missed it though because i can't revote
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I cant believe the Ursa is winning. Its a giant hunk of junk that lacks any decent speed. True, it has turrets, and a large bomb compliment, but it lacks the maneuverability to defend itself, and presents a very large target profile.
For heavy bombing, the sekhmet. Its fast, maneuverable, has 4 primary gun banks, and a large missile capacity.
Remember fellow bombers, always engage your afterburners when firing off bombs. They will move faster that way ! :D
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I've never had any problems defending myself in an Ursa. Who needs speed and maneuverability when you have armor and shields that can shrug off practically anything? :)
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Someone needs to strap a cockpit to a Helios and turn it into a 22nd Century Ohka.
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The Ursa can't shrug off a lot actually. I've gotten fried numerous times by flak and heavy supressive fire (from BLOB TURRETS! BLOB TURRETS! THEY WERE HITTING ME!!!! NOOO!!!).
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The Ursa can't shrug off a lot actually. I've gotten fried numerous times by flak and heavy supressive fire (from BLOB TURRETS! BLOB TURRETS! THEY WERE HITTING ME!!!! NOOO!!!).
Those things pack quite a bunch. Besides, why fly an Ursa when the boanerges can carry just as much payload and provide a smaller target profile? It doesnt have quite the same gun bank, but who cares?
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I prefer the Ursa over the Boanerges (spelt right? :nervous:) because IMHO the Boanerges is ugly :ick:
I know that isn't a good reason to prefer a ship over an other one, but...
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I've never had any problems defending myself in an Ursa. Who needs speed and maneuverability when you have armor and shields that can shrug off practically anything? :)
Maybe if your on EASY it will be that way, but if you play the game at a harder dificulty, the ursa just flat out sucks balls, if you want to do the job right, you need a boanerges.
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I've never had any problems defending myself in an Ursa. Who needs speed and maneuverability when you have armor and shields that can shrug off practically anything? :)
Maybe if your on EASY it will be that way, but if you play the game at a harder dificulty, the ursa just flat out sucks balls, if you want to do the job right, you need a boanerges.
Nice to see we're on the same page comrade.
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yep, and it also becomes a major challenge with the gun ports in the wrong place on the hard skill, then you got afterburners witch take considerable time. hence why i call the ursa a brick :P
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dont get me wrong the ursa is a good sniper tho. 10 trebs per slot.
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hehe, thats right but your still as good as dead if you cant shake the enemy off after your wingmen have died.
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5 clicks and im all good. Dunno if any of you have played the STV Gauntlet, but the only way you can win it is if you snipe.
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there a several different ways you can win the gautlet. suicidal tactics, long ranged attack, hit'n'run, hide and seek.
lol not sure about hide and seek with a an ursa.
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The Ursa can't shrug off a lot actually. I've gotten fried numerous times by flak and heavy supressive fire (from BLOB TURRETS! BLOB TURRETS! THEY WERE HITTING ME!!!! NOOO!!!).
How does one let themself get hit by those slow useless balls?
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there a several different ways you can win the gautlet. suicidal tactics, long ranged attack, hit'n'run, hide and seek.
lol not sure about hide and seek with a an ursa.
Is there sufficient space in my signature for this?
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there a several different ways you can win the gautlet. suicidal tactics, long ranged attack, hit'n'run, hide and seek.
lol not sure about hide and seek with a an ursa.
No, the STV Gauntlet, not the regular gauntlets. But for STV i usually use Sehkmet, just because it handles a bit better. Ursa I use to snipe in missions like The Cold Sword.
The STV Gauntlet is Shivan Terran and Vasudan gauntlets all in one.
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and uh... where may i find this gaunlet? ;7
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Maybe if your on EASY it will be that way, but if you play the game at a harder dificulty, the ursa just flat out sucks balls, if you want to do the job right, you need a boanerges.
I'm going to quote Hippo's excellent post on the subject:
Also, the Boag is no more manuverable than the ursa, merely has 10m/s on it, which actually makes it worse for dogfights as its turning radius is greatly increased. The Ursa has a net missile storage of 240, same as the Boag (though less evenly distributed than the Ursa), has a turret, and the Ursa has 70% more armor plus a second primary bank (and 2.5x gunpoints). Ursa wins.
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The Ursa still sucks compared to the Sekhmet.
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Ursa has a net missile storage of 240, same as the Boag (though less evenly distributed than the Ursa)
This is a bit misleading, as the Boanerges can carry more bombs than the Ursa, and in the case of the Helios, also unload all of them faster due to the way FS2 rounds up the capacities.
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If you did not hear me before goober, you cant lag bomb with 1 helio in each bank :P
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Effectively cheating, anyway.
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If you did not hear me before goober, you cant lag bomb with 1 helio in each bank :P
what does 'lag bomb' mean ?
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If you did not hear me before goober, you cant lag bomb with 1 helio in each bank :P
That's true, but not exactly what I was referring to. :p Even if you leave lagbombing aside, it still takes five launches to fire them all instead of six for the Ursa.
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I prefer the GTB "Flying Brick" Ursa. I don't know what you guys are talking about for playing on anything but easy mode... I always fly the Ursa when I get a chance... I usually play on Insane. Usually its two banks of Cyclopse and one bank of Tempest. Setup with Prometheus S and Subach HL-7 (if you can get the PromS, that is). 3xPrometheus 2xSubach. Load up and have fun!
The point is if you can't shake the Shivans, you're a damn-bad pilot! :lol: usually you can beat the shivans by loading all power to shields and just being a turret. The shivans won't continue moving when they're at a shooting spot... they will start to move when you turn to face them. Unload on them with tempests and your guns... kill em 1 by 1 or more. Tempests work well. They don't start to move until after you face them. Plus, the Kayser turret is watch in a dogfight... I have taken down several Ulysses by that turret. True, they fly circles around me, though the turret is awesome.
The other thing to do in the mission against the Ravana is to boost power to engines and get to the Vasudan corvette. You can get there with about 60% hull on Insane if you're good. From there, let the corvette slice-and-dice the fighters, then hit the Ravana with all you got!
The biggest thing is to run at 30 m/s when bombing... a large range of speeds is always good; never stop. Take the damage for getting your target, full speed, hit burners, launch when youre near top speed, and pull up. Or, follow the torpedo in! I have alot of fun following torpedos in... there's a good reason you have a strong hull, strong shields, strong guns, strong turret, big banks, and a damn-big ship...
"Be the flak-screen-screen you always wanted to be! Fly the Ursa!"
You can get 95% hits if you fly within 200m of the target and launch easily.
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I'm going to quote Hippo's excellent post on the subject:
Also, the Boag is no more manuverable than the ursa, merely has 10m/s on it, which actually makes it worse for dogfights as its turning radius is greatly increased. The Ursa has a net missile storage of 240, same as the Boag (though less evenly distributed than the Ursa), has a turret, and the Ursa has 70% more armor plus a second primary bank (and 2.5x gunpoints). Ursa wins.
The ursa is a -MUCH- larger target , compared to the Boanerges. The size of your ship certainly counts for something. Thats why the Herc mk II wins over in many a dogfight...it has a very thin target profile for an assault fighter. As far as bombers go, the Boanerges is very sleek for a heavy bomber.
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The ursa is a -MUCH- larger target , compared to the Boanerges. The size of your ship certainly counts for something. Thats why the Herc mk II wins over in many a dogfight...it has a very thin target profile for an assault fighter. As far as bombers go, the Boanerges is very sleek for a heavy bomber.
for sure, the boa definitly is a smaller target, also holds more bombs on top of that, which means less rearming, and it takes about 2 minutes to rearm because it has to get to you, load u up and then you have to wait 10 seconds to be able to fire after its done. So what it comes to is turret gives the ursa THAT advantage, while the boa gets a smaller profile and more capasity, and the sehkmet gets a plus for manuverability, but lacks a turret, smallness and not as big of capasity as the boa, medusa gets a plus for slightly for better speed, slightly better manuverability i think (i could be wrong) but still, cant carry helios nor is the bomb capasity as good as the ursa, sehkmet or boa.
offtopic : as far as dogfighting goes, the erinyes is the fighter of choice for dogfights in multiplayer.
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If I ever get to play multiplayer... I'm going to try to dogfight in an ursa! Load up a bank of Trebs, a bank of tornados, and a bank of tempests... a kayser and PromS should be fun too. I'd laugh cause I'd be the biggest target around.
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Other than the turret, can it even equip Kaysers?
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Other than the turret, can it even equip Kaysers?
No bomber that I know of can
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The Boanerges can. I suppose the Osiris can too, but it's a piece of junk.
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Nope.
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If I ever get to play multiplayer... I'm going to try to dogfight in an ursa! Load up a bank of Trebs, a bank of tornados, and a bank of tempests... a kayser and PromS should be fun too. I'd laugh cause I'd be the biggest target around.
You cant use trebs in a dogfight, they arent supplied, neither in TvT, the same goes for harpoons. But Tornados and Tempests ARE supplied.
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besides trying to fire a treb in a dog fight wont work anyhow, unless there atleast 800 away from your cockpit and are flying straight. the treb's turning circle is rubbish.
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yeah they are easy to dodge.
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The Treb is not designed as a dogfight missile. It is for killing people at long range. Sniping them off before they get a chance to fire back. Harpoons, Hornets(Buh) and Tornadoes are for dogfighting.
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Tempest dogfights FTW :D
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The Trebuchet is an anti-bomber weapon. It's so you can destroy oncoming bombers without leaving formation with the ship you are gaurding (hence the 4k range).
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The Treb is actually rather good at destroying annoying little mavuverable fighters... you just need to know how to do it right... like taking out the Dragons with Pheonix Vs
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The Treb is not designed as a dogfight missile. It is for killing people at long range. Sniping them off before they get a chance to fire back. Harpoons, Hornets(Buh) and Tornadoes are for dogfighting.
Actually, I would only take Tempests if I had to just do dogfighting. Rockeyes are too slow and unmaneuverable, and aspect lock takes too much time and even then a Harpoon will miss if the target has a lot of angular velocity in relation to you (ie. if it's close and flying sideways).
Harpoons are excellent approach and chase missiles, and same applies to tornadoes to lesser extent, but Hornets are just waste of secondary space against fighters. Bombers and cruisers on the other hand can suffer quite a bit from a wing of Herc 2's unleashing their Hornet missile salvos. Rockeyes work against bomb because they home into them, but they don't require time to lock into them AND they have longer range than Harpoons.
Trebuchets are excellent for three things:
1. Taking off enemy bombers at long range before they get to launch their torpedoes.
2. Taking off capship turrets.
3. Harassing approaching fighters from long distance and even scoring kills, or at least reducing their hull quite a bit. Basilisk fighters in High Noon are perfect example of this...
What I don't understand is why the GTVA hasn't issued a bomb-deterrent missile with heatseeking system and minimal payload? Kinda like guided Morningstar, but with smaller fire rate. It couldn't be used against fighters or bombers, but it would nevertheless be useful in intercept missions.
Now, what bomb is the best, I would have to answer the GVB Sekhmet. However, it's practically a downgraded Vasudan Nahema so that's not really very strange at all... I still don't like it. I prefer flying terran craft for some reason.
What I like most is a tricky question. The problem is, I don't really like bombers at all. I like the GTB Ursa best of Terran bombers because it can take enough punishment to let me do the work of my squadmates who can't fly bombers AND its hull plating is strong enough to do the work of the escort fighters who can't do escort duty. I don't know why the AI bomber pilots don't fly close enough to avoid flak guns destroying half of the bombs or more, but nevertheless the player usually ends up doing most of the job in bombing missions.
It's a horrid brick to fly and looks like it too, but it's the most functional bomber in current AI conditions. And after I fixed the viewpoint for myself, it also has a nice cockpit view... :p I don't know who positioned the viewpoint to the rear cockpit and decided to put a huge bar in front of the backseat pilot's face, but anyway... the frontseat view works rather fine.
On the other hand, the Artemis bomber is a good choice for wasting cruisers, and it can also defend itself to some extent. It's an excellent light bomber despite limited primary selection. If it would have two slots - one for Prom S / other general type weapon, and another for Maxim... :mad2:
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I choose the Sekhmet, but only because I regard the Athena as having the wrong prefix.
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I regard the Athena as having the wrong prefix.
I've almost convinced myself that before...
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/me wants to change his vote.
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Artemis removed, Artemis D.H replaced. The D.H improves upon the Artemis in every way, if not, remains the same.
It has more maneuverability, faster recharge of guns, and faster recharge of afterburners.
Athena removed. It isnt a FS2 bomber, therefor, doesnt count. In between FS1 and FS2, Athenas were mothballed. The Artemis replaces and improves upon the Athena in every aspect
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Actually, the Artemis and the D.H stats are exactly the same, It may say it turns faster in the ship selection screen, but if you look at the tables, there is no difference.
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If I can't choose the Athena, I'll have to say Ursa. There is a reason it costs as much as a small moon! ;7
That said, the Athena is superior to the Artemis in terms of speed and maneuverability.
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The Artemis replaces and improves upon the Athena in every aspect
Not looks. :doubt:
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The Zeus is the reemplacement of the Athena... but hell, the Zeus is slower and... sooo weak, I can kill Zeus which 2 harpoons, its like killing Lokis, or Perseus... no wait, is even more easy.
The Zeus is useless, like the Osris, and the Vasudan FS1 Amun too.
And the Artemis is the replacement of the Zeus...
mm this game needs a fighter/bomber, the Athena was nearly to archive that, but she cant carry real bombs, so...
mmm wait... I remember that the Myrmidon can carry Helios.... but hell, the Myrmidon was the bomber of choice to destroy an arcadia who are at much distance from the respawn point :P i don't remember the mission name, I just remember that was a hard multi mission in the PXO era, who gives you the intelligence medal (if I remember well), you fly for the NTF. ohhh yes I remember the mission take place sin the 3 jumps nodes in Alpha centaury.
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Well if you had a ship with the manuverability and speed of a fighter with the weapons capacity, armor, and shielding of a bomber, you'd have nothing more than a pwn-mobile that could obliterate absolutely anything single-handedly without any problems whatsoever.
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Well if you had a ship with the manuverability and speed of a fighter with the weapons capacity, armor, and shielding of a bomber, you'd have nothing more than a pwn-mobile that could obliterate absolutely anything single-handedly without any problems whatsoever.
You do have one, the GVB Sekhmet.
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Sorry, I suppose I forgot to mention, "Size in between the two so it's not a gigantic 'Hit me' sign with engines." in last last statement.
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If I can't choose the Athena, I'll have to say Ursa. There is a reason it costs as much as a small moon! ;7
That said, the Athena is superior to the Artemis in terms of speed and maneuverability.
LOL what planet are you from ? Artemis D.H runs RINGS around an Athena. Armor, firepower, speed and maneuverability. :P
Oh, and the Artemis D.H is the sexiest fighter / bomber in the game.
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Artemis only has one primary bank. That is where the Athena has its advantage in fighter-like capabilities.
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Damage from one 4X bank > damage from 2 2X banks
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The Artemis is defenitely better...
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Well if you had a ship with the manuverability and speed of a fighter with the weapons capacity, armor, and shielding of a bomber, you'd have nothing more than a pwn-mobile that could obliterate absolutely anything single-handedly without any problems whatsoever.
You do have one, the GVB Sekhmet.
Surprisingly , The two vasudan bombers, Sekhmet and Bahka are quite powerful. The Bahka is more of a strike bomber IMO, given its sleek design, and only having 2 missile turrets. (try the mission 'Bearbaiting' on hard, and wiping out all 4 main cannons + flak guns.... :ick: )
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If I can't choose the Athena, I'll have to say Ursa. There is a reason it costs as much as a small moon! ;7
That said, the Athena is superior to the Artemis in terms of speed and maneuverability.
LOL what planet are you from ? Artemis D.H runs RINGS around an Athena. Armor, firepower, speed and maneuverability. :P
Oh, and the Artemis D.H is the sexiest fighter / bomber in the game.
I'm from Earth, and while it is true that in a casual run the Artemis is faster by 5 m/s (65 to 60), using afterburners, the Athena is faster by 10 m/s (120 to 110) and has 1 third more of the ammount of afterburner fuel that the Artemis has (400 to 300). That makes it... faster.
Also it's almost half the size of the Artemis (20 to 36!).
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Whatever. The Shoebox is still p00ning in the polls; now its at 43% or so...
It is simple. The Ursa has more firepower then a cruiser!! You know your bomber is better then a cruiser when it can destroy that said cruiser faster then that said cruiser can destroy another cruiser of equal size+strength (such as Levi v. Levi and Levi v. Ursa...).
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eh?. an ursa is more powerful than a super destroyer if you get everything right, albiet the rearming and bomb spamming a while because of the thick armour. take the turrets out, all of them then just keep firing your salvo's
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The point is when you can take out a cruiser faster then a cruiser could take another cruiser out.
Make a mission... put a levithan about 3km from you, and two more levithans about 15km away. Jump into an ursa, load up with the best bombs and your best hull-damaging gun (can a Ursa mount a Maxim? If not a set of PromS), and go for it. Beam-free-all and tell the two cruisers 15km away to attack eachother. If you beat your cruiser faster then the other cruisers beat eachother, well you win. You show how good a bomber is...
The point is time. I would rather have two wings of ursa bombers to destroy a destroyer then i would have four wings of anything non-bomber.
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Well, time, and percentage hull left. Odds are one of those levy's will be near critical, and the other dead, but the ursa will likely be near 100% hull at the end of each respective battle.
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thats exactly why i said it could be as powerful as a super destroyer.
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i demand you fix that list of bombers.... thats not right, you took all the good ones off :(
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someone said that its ONLY fs2 bombers, not fs1
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ONLY fs2 bombers
Which all suck...
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I'd attack a Levi from dead-on. Helios to main beam, then go after the smaller beams and missile launchers.
Here are some fun stats...
GTC Leviathan.
35 000 HP
GTB Ursa
550 HP
850 Shields
Mounts up to three banks of 5 Helios (5 per bank if memory serves).
1 Helios = 6 800 damage.
6 shots (1m30s to launch all 6) with a Helios to destroy the cruiser. Less if you mount double Maxim or Prometheus S. That cruiser's main anti-cruiser weapon is the SGreen, 2888 damage per salvo. 45s refire. It would take 16 salvos for a Levithan to destroy another Levithan. 720+ seconds to fire all said salvos.
I would rather fly the shoebox then the Levithan or Fenris. I might fly an Aeolus if I was given the oppertunity. Not much else... you can p00n anything with a GTB Ursa and a support ship (or a fleet of em... lol). I would hate to take down a Sathanas (1 000 000 HP takes some 148 Helios to destroy; 74 salvos; 2220s; 37 minutes of simply firing off Helios. It could be done... though the Flak will likely tear you or your bombs into shreads. Best take those out first then go after anything else of danger (a complete-disarm for all intensive purposes).
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Erm, that cruiser's main anti-cruiser weapon is actually the Fusion Mortar which does 80 damage per shot (I'm not kidding!).
And since it fires at 1 per second, using only the Fusion Mortar it will destroy another Leviathan in 438 seconds (or shots if you will).
Impressive isn't it?
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6 shots (1m30s to launch all 6) with a Helios to destroy the cruiser. Less if you mount double Maxim or Prometheus S. That cruiser's main anti-cruiser weapon is the SGreen, 2888 damage per salvo. 45s refire. It would take 16 salvos for a Levithan to destroy another Levithan. 720+ seconds to fire all said salvos.
You can fire them off a lot faster if you simply switch the missile bank.
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i destroyed 3 sj's with the fastest time being 34 minutes for one of them. roughly 110 helios
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I'd attack a Levi from dead-on. Helios to main beam, then go after the smaller beams and missile launchers.
But would you attack an Aeolus head on ? They're the most dangerous cruiser in game. Even the rakshasha cant stand up to it, in terms of anti fighter / bomber capability.
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someone said that its ONLY fs2 bombers, not fs1
Didn't you notice that some of the FS2 bombers arent there?
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i destroyed 3 sj's with the fastest time being 34 minutes for one of them. roughly 110 helios
don't you get bored playing such missions?
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When you are in multiplayer, getting the kill for the sathy is a high praise because if you do a lot of damage and die, you don't get the kill. You actually have to stay alive and do the majority of the damage.
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The Osiris can mount Kayser too, but the firing points of the Osiris sucks.
Anyway, i will be ask a simple question, do you think that the destruction of the Hades will be posible by any other bomber than the Ursa?
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Yeah... I did it with the Herc 1 every time
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Damage from one 4X bank > damage from 2 2X banks
Damage from 2 perfectly centerline mounted 2x banks in the best dogfighting and bomb-interception gun setup ever seen in a player ship in a Freespace game > Damage from a 4x bank with two sets of widely spaced firepoints.
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The Osiris can mount Kayser too, but the firing points of the Osiris sucks.
Anyway, i will be ask a simple question, do you think that the destruction of the Hades will be posible by any other bomber than the Ursa?
i did it with a ulysses at 29% hull(the ulsysses not the hades.) twice.
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well no, i not talking about hiding in the hull and shoot them, you can destroy it whit any ship in this way, i talking about compliting the mission using the bombers that you have :P, is posible you know.
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I wonder why there are no Inferno bombers selectable...I have created missions where you fly Satyr or Jotuns and destroy Juggernauts, Superdestroyers and even one Gigas(I needed one hour for it!).
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He said FS2 bombers only. Which means canon only. Not even FS1 bombers like the Athena. But if there were Inferno bombers available I would have to go with Callisto with Ripper guns, even if they're not that great, they look so cool and just have that I'm invincible feeling to them. 8)
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I agree. I would include the Keres-it's almost a cruiser, right? :D
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The Sekhmet is a FS1:ST bomber, is not used but is on the tables.
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I voted for the Bakha as no one had and I felt sorry for it. :(
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The Sekhmet is not in FS1:ST.
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And the Artemis D.H. isn't conventional...
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The Sekhmet is a FS1:ST bomber, is not used but is on the tables.
Sure that isn't just the FSport tables?
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u forgot myrmidon fighter esque speed maneuverability nd helios capability :P
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I'd do Myrmidon for any mission! Load the third bank with dual-helios, the first with Tempest, and the second with Stiletto II's! It is always fun to be the fastest, most maneuverable bomber in the game! :lol: Can you add that and let us change our votes? I'd always go Myrmidon over Ursa.
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If only the Perseus could carry Helios...
Uhm... *evil thought*
*goes hacking the tables* ;7
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:lol:
The Keres. Hack the Keres...
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Give it more weapons. It's seriously under gunned. :P
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What the hell is with everyone rambling on with a Myrmidon holding Helios torpedoes??
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Because it does.
Still, it's a fighter.
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What the hell is with everyone rambling on with a Myrmidon holding Helios torpedoes??
here you go, from retail FS2 tables :P
$Name: GTF Myrmidon
$Short name: TFight2t-05
$Species: Terran
+Type: XSTR("Advanced Space Superiority", 2987)
+Maneuverability: XSTR("Average", 2988)
+Armor: XSTR("Average", 2989)
+Manufacturer: XSTR("RNI Systems", 2990)
+Description: XSTR(" ", 2991)
$end_multi_text
+Tech Description:
XSTR("RNI Systems' GTF Myrmidon replaces the Ulysses as the Alliance's primary space superiority fighter. The Myrmidon has received high marks for speed, maneuverability, armor, and loadout. An ultra-efficient hull configuration provides space for three secondary weapon systems, a first for Terran-Vasudan fighters. This versatility enables Myrmidon squadrons to fulfill a range of combat roles, from light assault to heavy reconnaissance. In the Deneb system, the 53rd Hammerheads of the GTD Aquitaine have demonstrated the effectiveness of the Myrmidon against NTF forces.", 2992)
$end_multi_text
+Length: 16 m
+Gun Mounts: 6
+Missile Banks: 2
$POF file: fighter2t-05.pof
$Detail distance: (0, 180, 300, 1100)
$ND: 253 253 168
$Show damage: YES
$Density: 1
$Damp: 0.2
$Rotdamp: 0.35
$Max Velocity: 0.0, 0.0, 75.0 ;; in x/y/z -- z only specified forward. use special tokens for backward movement
$Rotation time: 4.0, 3.7, 5
$Rear Velocity: 0.0
$Forward accel: 2.4
$Forward decel: 2.0
$Slide accel: 0.0
$Slide decel: 0.0
$Expl inner rad: 25.0
$Expl outer rad: 75.0
$Expl damage: 25.0
$Expl blast: 1000.0
$Expl Propagates: NO ;; If set to Yes, then when the ship dies, the explosion propagates through it.
$Shockwave Speed: 0.0 ;; speed shockwave expands at, 0 means no shockwave
$Allowed PBanks: ( "Subach HL-7" "Akheton SDG" "Morning Star" "Prometheus S" "Prometheus R" "UD-8 Kayser" )
$Allowed Dogfight PBanks: ( "Lamprey" "Prometheus D" "MorningStar D" "Circe" )
$Default PBanks: ( "Prometheus R" "Subach HL-7" )
$Allowed SBanks: ( "Rockeye" "Hornet" "Tornado" "Tempest" "Trebuchet" "Stiletto II" "Hornet#Weak" "EMP Adv." "Infyrno" "Helios" )
$Allowed Dogfight SBanks: ( "Rockeye D" "Hornet D" "Harpoon D" )
$Default SBanks: ( "Rockeye" "Tornado" "Tempest" )
$SBank Capacity: ( 20, 20, 40 )
$Shields: 390
$Shield Color: 100 100 255
$Power Output: 2.4
$Max Oclk Speed: 95.0
$Max Weapon Eng: 150.0
$Hitpoints: 290
$Flags: ( "player_ship" "default_player_ship" "fighter" "in tech database")
$AI Class: Captain
$Afterburner: YES
+Aburn Max Vel: 0.0, 0.0, 135.0
+Aburn For accel: 0.8
+Aburn Fuel: 320.0
+Aburn Burn Rate: 60.0
+Aburn Rec Rate: 25.0
$Countermeasures: 36
$Scan time: 2000
$EngineSnd: 126 ;; Engine sound of ship
$Closeup_pos: 0.0, 0.0, -30
$Closeup_zoom: 0.5
$Shield_icon: shieldft-05
$Ship_icon: iconfighter2t-05
$Ship_anim: ssfighter2t-05
$Ship_overhead: loadfighter2t-05
$Score: 10
$Trail:
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+End Width: 0.05
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+End Alpha: 0.0
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$Trail:
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+Spew Time: 120
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$Trail:
+Offset: -8.11 -.81 -.47
+Start Width: 0.25
+End Width: 0.05
+Start Alpha: 1.0
+End Alpha: 0.0
+Max Life: 1.0
+Spew Time: 120
+Bitmap: Contrail01
$Subsystem: sensors, 10,0.0
$Subsystem: communications, 10,0.0
$Subsystem: weapons, 10,0.0
$Subsystem: navigation, 10,0.0
$Subsystem: engine, 35,0.0
:O i just noticed that the Myrmidon can carry harpoons in Dogfight.
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Ok...that's just bizzare...
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I hate it... I use modular tables so that I can use Harpoons instead.
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In me mods I always ban Mys carrying helios.
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Ok...that's just bizzare...
Especially if you consider the fact that a Helios missile is longer then the hull of a Myrmidon.
Though, most of the bombers wouldn't have room for the amount of bombs they claim to house anyway. They just magically spawn the missiles from somewhere.
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well no, 3rd slot have a big hole in the ship i think is for the helios.
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OKAY, WHOS THE DAMN NOOB THAT DELETED THE BOANERGES !?!?! :mad2: :mad: :hopping: :mad: :hopping:
*Warning : - will be locked poll tampering is continued...**
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WTF happened to the poll? Was it reset??
Anyways if its reset, may you PLEASE add the Myrmidon? It can carry Helios, making it a bomber. True the bomb may be bigger, but then again it is canon!! :v: put it in on the tables.
The Myrmidon owns, hands-down. Being able to get a normal speed of 75m/s or up to 95m/s w/o afterburner is excellent. In, launch, and out. You can easily clear a destroyer within 1 minute of approach to escape. Most weapons are ranged at 2km-2km in, about 500m over, 2km out. 4.5km is cleared in exactly 60 seconds at 75 m/s. 48 seconds at 95 m/s. That doesn't include the afterburner or ultra-high maneuverability. Afterburner is 135m/s...
Hands down, Myrmidon will own any bomber.
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no, i usually use the Myrmidon for suicide bombering in multi and i say if you are attaked by flak or beams, you are dead, if a fighter target you, again you are dead, the bombers can take some by is high shielding.
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The advantage of piloting a Myrmidon in strike missions is that you can defend yourself from fighter attacks...though the Myrmidon isn't the best fighter, it's better than light bombers.
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WTF happened to the poll? Was it reset??
Anyways if its reset, may you PLEASE add the Myrmidon? It can carry Helios, making it a bomber. True the bomb may be bigger, but then again it is canon!! :v: put it in on the tables.
The Myrmidon owns, hands-down. Being able to get a normal speed of 75m/s or up to 95m/s w/o afterburner is excellent. In, launch, and out. You can easily clear a destroyer within 1 minute of approach to escape. Most weapons are ranged at 2km-2km in, about 500m over, 2km out. 4.5km is cleared in exactly 60 seconds at 75 m/s. 48 seconds at 95 m/s. That doesn't include the afterburner or ultra-high maneuverability. Afterburner is 135m/s...
Hands down, Myrmidon will own any bomber.
Myrmidon:
Classification: Space Superiority FIGHTER
Nowhere in its tech discription does it say it's a bomber, if anything it's a dev error that people are so slap-happy about finding, that they didn't bother fixing it for realism. The Helios is two / thirds larger than the ship itself, why would they purposely do that?
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WTF happened to the poll? Was it reset??
Anyways if its reset, may you PLEASE add the Myrmidon? It can carry Helios, making it a bomber. True the bomb may be bigger, but then again it is canon!! :v: put it in on the tables.
The Myrmidon owns, hands-down. Being able to get a normal speed of 75m/s or up to 95m/s w/o afterburner is excellent. In, launch, and out. You can easily clear a destroyer within 1 minute of approach to escape. Most weapons are ranged at 2km-2km in, about 500m over, 2km out. 4.5km is cleared in exactly 60 seconds at 75 m/s. 48 seconds at 95 m/s. That doesn't include the afterburner or ultra-high maneuverability. Afterburner is 135m/s...
Hands down, Myrmidon will own any bomber.
Myrmidon:
Classification: Space Superiority FIGHTER
Nowhere in its tech discription does it say it's a bomber, if anything it's a dev error that people are so slap-happy about finding, that they didn't bother fixing it for realism. The Helios is two / thirds larger than the ship itself, why would they purposely do that?
Well the myrmidon -IS- pretty big for a fighter, and DOES have a pretty beefy looking missile rack, so i reckon its not a dev error, but purposely done.
it says 'SPACE SUPERIORITY'. Not interceptor, not heavy assault, not bomber. To acheive space superiority, you need to be able to do lots of things, and do them well. The mymidon forfills the rolls of interceptor, assault, and strike bomber, all in one hit.
But still , it isnt a bomber, and as such, isnt up for voting.
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The Apollo is Space Superiority, and it doesn't carry Tsunamis or Harbingers.
Oh, there's another thing...why can the Myrmidon carry Helios' but not Cyclops'? All the bombers either carry Cyclops' but no Helios' or both or none at all. Why a Helios but not the Cyclops? Makes no practical sense.
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Because it's that badass of a fighter. :p
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well, but if a dev error, why they dint fix it in 1.2? this bug is too easy to find.
Myrmidon launching Helios in retail:
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9981/helios10mi.th.png) (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helios10mi.png)
in media vps:
(http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6928/helios26vz.th.png) (http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helios26vz.png)
I have to say they look to damn big. and i also think that there is a reason of why don't carry Cyclops, because if she does if will be more a Fighter/Bomber than space superiority.
Also you must think that there is a lot of ships can can carry Trebs and the missile looks to damn big when launched.
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It was an EASTER EGG!!!!
Your not supposed to know that it can, and when you figure it out, your supposed to be like: " aww, neat! haha!" not "OMG MYRM=BOMBER!!! DEV BUG ERROR GLITCH HACK!!"
It's just like that U.R.A. Moron designation in FRED.
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[rant]**** the Myrmidon. **** the Helios. **** the Myrmidon to hell and back.
I really hate it when people just scream "OMFG MYMIDON BOMBER WITH HELIOS OMG OMG OMG!!!!!" The Myrmidon's designation is GTF
GTF
And 'F' stands for fighter. F-I-G-H-T-E-R, not B-O-M-B-E-R. So it was either a dev error or a easter egg.
Yush?[/rant]
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Yeah!
What I just said! ::)
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Yeah! I was supporting you.
Here's more support:
GTF = Galactic Terran Fighter
GTB = Galactic Terran Bomber
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well, but if a dev error, why they dint fix it in 1.2? this bug is too easy to find.
Myrmidon launching Helios in retail:
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9981/helios10mi.th.png) (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helios10mi.png)
in media vps:
(http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6928/helios26vz.th.png) (http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helios26vz.png)
I have to say they look to damn big. and i also think that there is a reason of why don't carry Cyclops, because if she does if will be more a Fighter/Bomber than space superiority.
Also you must think that there is a lot of ships can can carry Trebs and the missile looks to damn big when launched.
But why something that can rape a Demon in four shots and not a smaller, anti-cruiser weapon?
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It was an EASTER EGG!!!!
What he said.
Now, could we stop that useless war? :)
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How can it be an easter egg? When I see the term "Easter Egg," I usually see something like the Holy Hand Grenade on Fallout 2, or the Knights on Warcraft 3 answering the Bridgekeeper of Death's questions, not something completely stupid like defying the laws of physics by cramming high-yield warheads in a fighter that's all engine with wings.
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...Snail, you do realize that modern jetfighters, including the F/A-18, F-16, and F-22, are fully able to carry and deploy bombs, even up to nuclear ordnance, right? Scale issues aside (and honestly, are any of the ordnance loads in either FS game truly realistic in terms of size? Hell, just look at support ships, for instance), there's nothing at all to say that a "fighter" couldn't also serve as a bomber.
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In terms of the Freespace universe... are you ****ing kidding me?
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I agree with Mongoose; support ships for bombers are wayyy too small to carry 15+ helios for each Ursa.
Space Superiority Fighter... good at all things... like the F-16 MRF. Multi Role Figher (AKA Air Superiority Figher anyone?). It carries up to 2000lb JDAM bombs as well as anti-fighter missiles. It can do both... at the same time!
The Myrmidon is similiar; it can carry the ZOMG Helios as well as banks full of Tempests, Hornets, Rockeye, Tornado, Stiletto II, and a heck of alot of other stuff! It is the most flexible platform in the game...
A true easter-egg in freespace2 could have been (but isn't) in the first nebula mission, where Kappa wing spots a Volition Bravo and is destroyed or somethng... a bit more interesting, don't ya think? Mounting Helios on Myrmidon is not a easter-egg as it is such a flexible ship.
And who says an Ursa can't be a fighter? I did quite a bit of dogfighting in Slaying Ravana on Insane! The Ursa owned all the shivans! I beat the mission with 92% hull. Anyways... it would be interesting if a Myrmidon MkII or something was made, that features a top-side turret like a bomber has, bigger bays, and stronger shields. It'll be a uber-ship then... but oh well! :P
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like the F-16 MRF. Multi Role Figher (AKA Air Superiority Figher anyone?). It carries up to 2000lb JDAM bombs as well as anti-fighter missiles.
Yes, but are JDAMs 42 feet long?
Largest free-fall bomb is the MOAB which is ten meters and used only on the C-130.
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It's still a damn-big bomb on a smaller fighter. I prefer the F-14D Tomcat because of the Phoenix missiles; 110nm range with a super-sonic top speed.
The point with the F16 is that it is a MRF, not a MRF/B or a MRB... last time I check, bombing something is still "fighting" it... not much different when you think of it. The only real differance is your ordinance is now huge and makes a pretty explosion! Remember, size doesn't really matter in space.
Space Superiority Fighter can still be considered a Multi Role Fighter... the Myrmidon can lob small missiles, antibomber missiles, antisubsystem missiles, and bombs. A F14 can lob sidewinders, AIM-9's, Phoenix, and drop bombs. The only differance is the antisubsystem missile of today is more like a sidewinder... heat-locking so it knocks out what it hits, not just destroys the fighter.
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...Snail, you do realize that modern jetfighters, including the F/A-18, F-16, and F-22, are fully able to carry and deploy bombs, even up to nuclear ordnance, right? Scale issues aside (and honestly, are any of the ordnance loads in either FS game truly realistic in terms of size? Hell, just look at support ships, for instance), there's nothing at all to say that a "fighter" couldn't also serve as a bomber.
That's still the ol apples and oranges argument, there could be issues of containment/protocol/who knows what.
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anyway... i dont think is dev error, for just...
1) what dev going to put Helios in a fighter by mistake? come on...
2) If is a bug is too damn easy to find.
3) They dont fix it in 1.2 or tell anything in the web about that.
4) in PXO era everyone knows about "Myrmidons carrying Helios".
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That's why it's an easter egg
Come on folks... the Myrmidon is all by itself... if there was another fighter that could carry bombs I'd believe you... but most bombers can't carry the Helios.
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HOLY CRAP
It's not supposed follow the laws of physics!! It's not supposed to be reasonable!! It's supposed to be funny!!! It's an EASTER EGG!! How many people here actually know what an easter egg (in gaming terms) is?
My God, someone lock this thread.
EDIT: sorry :nervous:
EDIT2: YAY!! locked! I win!!!