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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: jr2 on May 04, 2007, 02:42:55 pm

Title: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: jr2 on May 04, 2007, 02:42:55 pm
Hi, can you please specify what rule I broke more than Reason: Other Comment: No?  The game engine is open-source and the content fan-created.  I am confused.  If you need more info, please tell me.
 
-Josh


----- Original Message ----
From: Azureus <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]_com
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2007 9:09:13 PM
Subject: You are banned!!


Dear jr02,

Following the banning of a number of pieces of content which you added to Vuze, you are being banned from logging into the system.

If you believe that you have been banned in error, please reply to this email stating your reasons.

Regards,


- The Azureus Team

Hi-def theater. Millions of views.

--------------------------------------------------
(c)2007 Azureus Inc. All Rights Reserved.
471 Emerson Street, Palo Alto, CA 94301
Visit us at http://www.vuze.com

 
 
 
Dear jr02,

One of your pieces of content has been removed from Vuze because it is
deemed to be in violation of the terms of service or there seems to be a
quality issue with your content.

The details of the piece of content in question are:

Title: BattleStar Galactica: Beyond the Red Line Demo
Description: Fan-made TC Mod using the FreeSpace 2 Open Source Engine.

Windows: (this one)
http://www.vuze.com/details/YCAHTB3J77ER4LRJGMLRUROOD2RESI4T.html

Linux:
http://www.vuze.com/details/FMEPRLSRNKMIQCSK4BFODS5VICEGUEMD.html

Mac:
http://www.vuze.com/details/LAVJ3XIELJQDR43T7YTA4AVMUAOIQPNW.html

If you got the corrupt version of the Windows install, go here for the patch/fix:
http://www.vuze.com/details/4KMKJUCNTGJ6SXU23KFGIJU7F6PZRZWR.html
-Otherwise, get this one.

Homepage can be found on Game Warden: http://www.game-warden.com/bsg/

FAQ:
http://www.game-warden.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3577

Tech Support:
http://www.game-warden.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=76

This torrent's release thread can be found on Hard Light:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,46643.0.html

Soundtrack is available here on VUZE:
http://www.vuze.com/details/DWDXCB7FCIUM2J233D6H6K745UZUT3AS.html

Project release thread on Game Warden: http://www.game-warden.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3502

Alternate link for Windows / Linux / Mac OS X on The Cylon Base: http://www.thecylonbase.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=80

Copy of the infos from the project release thread on GW:
....<snip>.....
Removal Reason: Other
Removal Comment: no


If you believe that your content has been removed in error, please reply
to this mail stating your reasons.

Regards,


- The Azureus Team

Hi-def theater. Millions of views.

--------------------------------------------------
(c)2007 Azureus Inc. All Rights Reserved.
471 Emerson Street, Palo Alto, CA 94301
Visit us at http://www.vuze.com
 
 
 
Dear jr02,

One of your pieces of content has been removed from Vuze because it is
deemed to be in violation of the terms of service or there seems to be a
quality issue with your content.

The details of the piece of content in question are:

Title: BattleStar Galactica: Beyond the Red Line Demo - Linux
Description: Fan-made TC Mod using the FreeSpace 2 Open Source Engine.

Windows:
http://www.vuze.com/details/YCAHTB3J77ER4LRJGMLRUROOD2RESI4T.html

Linux: (this one)
http://www.vuze.com/details/FMEPRLSRNKMIQCSK4BFODS5VICEGUEMD.html

Mac:
http://www.vuze.com/details/LAVJ3XIELJQDR43T7YTA4AVMUAOIQPNW.html

If you got the corrupt version of the Windows install, go here for the patch/fix:
http://www.vuze.com/details/4KMKJUCNTGJ6SXU23KFGIJU7F6PZRZWR.html

Homepage can be found on Game Warden: http://www.game-warden.com/bsg/

FAQ:
http://www.game-warden.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3577

Tech Support:
http://www.game-warden.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=76

This torrent's release thread can be found on Hard Light:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,46643.0.html

Soundtrack is available here on VUZE:
http://www.vuze.com/details/DWDXCB7FCIUM2J233D6H6K745UZUT3AS.html

Project release thread on Game Warden: http://www.game-warden.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3502

Alternate link for Windows / Linux / Mac OS X on The Cylon Base: http://www.thecylonbase.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=80

Copy of the infos from the project release thread on GW:
....<snip>....
Removal Reason: Other
Removal Comment: no


If you believe that your content has been removed in error, please reply
to this mail stating your reasons.

Regards,


- The Azureus Team

Hi-def theater. Millions of views.

--------------------------------------------------
(c)2007 Azureus Inc. All Rights Reserved.
471 Emerson Street, Palo Alto, CA 94301
Visit us at http://www.vuze.com


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Get your own web address.
Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Admiral Edivad on May 04, 2007, 02:51:29 pm
longest HLP post without quotations?
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: jr2 on May 04, 2007, 02:54:29 pm
Fixxored.  Sorry, but my pulse had just jumped by about 30.  :mad:

EDIT: Basically, they banned:
1) Windows version of BtRL
2) Windows patch for users who got the corrupt version
3) Linux version
4) Mac version
5) Soundtrack
(basically, they banned BtRL)
6) Me

And they communicate oh so well:

Quote
Removal Reason: Other
Removal Comment: no
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: achtung on May 04, 2007, 03:15:23 pm
Hell, let me create an account and upload.

I don't use VUZE anyway, so no biggie for me if I get banned.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Mongoose on May 04, 2007, 04:16:24 pm
Just send a reply to them and explain that this is a completely freeware game based on a fully open-source engine.  At the very least, the ball will be back in their court.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: phatosealpha on May 04, 2007, 05:29:37 pm
I'd imagine it's the BSG content, not the FS2 content, that got him banned.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Herra Tohtori on May 04, 2007, 08:05:23 pm
Well that's fascinating, in a bad sense of the word...


What matters is obviously whether they received a DMCA takedown notice or something, or did they simply do it on their own initiative after getting effectively DDOSed by download requests... :nervous:

If the former, well, let's just keep our fingers crossed that it's not the sign of things to come. If the latter... well, it sucks but there are other hosting services as well, and it is within Azureus' rights to do crap like this, if you read the small text in Azureus Terms of Service (http://www.vuze.com/Terms.html#TermsOfService):

Quote
11. Termination; Terms of Service Violations.

11.1 Azureus.

You agree that Azureus, in its sole discretion, for any or no reason, and without penalty, may terminate any account (or any part thereof) you may have with Azureus or your use of the Azureus Platform and remove and discard all or any part of your account, User profile, and any Uploader Submission, at any time. Azureus may also in its sole discretion and at any time discontinue providing access to the Azureus Platform, or any part thereof, with or without notice. You agree that any termination of your access to the Azureus Platform or any account you may have or portion thereof may be effected without prior notice, and you agree that Azureus will not be liable to you or any third party for any such termination. Any suspected fraudulent, abusive or illegal activity may be referred to appropriate law enforcement authorities. These remedies are in addition to any other remedies Azureus may have at law or in equity. As discussed herein, Azureus does not permit copyright infringing activities on the Azureus Platform, and will terminate access to the Azureus Platform, and remove all Uploader Submissions or other content submitted by any Users who are found to be repeat infringers. Upon termination for any reason, you agree to immediately stop using and to uninstall and/or destroy all copies of the Azureus Application, any accompanying documentation, and all other associated materials.

11.2 You.

Your only remedy with respect to any dissatisfaction with (i) the Azureus Platform, (ii) any term of this Terms of Service, (iii) any policy or practice of Azureus in operating the Azureus Platform, or (iv) any content or information transmitted through the Azureus Platform, is to terminate this Terms of Service and your account. You may terminate this Terms of Service at any time by uninstalling all copies of the Azureus Application on your computer, destroying all copies of the Azureus Application in your possession, and discontinuing use of any and all parts of the Azureus Platform.

11.3 Uploader Submissions.

Subject to section 7.2 above, upon termination of this agreement by you or Azureus, Azureus will discontinue prospective hosting and distribution of your Uploader Submissions.


Section 7.2 is, obviously, even less legible legal mumbo-jumbo, but the point is, they don't really need a reason, much less specify one. Nevertheless it should be worth asking for clarification. Mainly, whether they did this by themselves or were asked to do it by some Things that Be. :ick:
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Dark RevenantX on May 04, 2007, 11:03:26 pm
BtRL is made with completely community-made stuff.  There is NO plagiarism at all.  I don't know why they are picking on you specifically, even though there are other things much more "shady" than a simply mod for BSG (a show that anyone can watch for FREE).
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: G0atmaster on May 04, 2007, 11:55:09 pm
I understand this is scary, JR2, but in light of that one member's dad getting fined for "pirating" the Babylon 5 mod, I find this rather ridiculous.  I guess they just don't like you or something :(
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Thor on May 05, 2007, 12:35:45 am
well you can't say no plagerism, cause its based on battlestar.

thats my guess on why you were given the boot.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: jr2 on May 05, 2007, 01:05:59 am
I understand this is scary, JR2, but in light of that one member's dad getting fined for "pirating" the Babylon 5 mod, I find this rather ridiculous.  I guess they just don't like you or something :(

I don't find it scary... I find it rather :mad: dening... if they had a reason, you'd think they could take the time to say "for distributing plagierized material" or "for distributing pirated material"... except they probably knew I could rebuff those.  Heck, I would have been alright if they had just said "sorry, we don't want to risk being sued" - but there's no need to ban me outright for something that doesn't violate the agreement.  This brings back recent memories of SpaceBattles.com and VideoGamingForums ... at least they didn't call me a fag.  (Good thing, I might have done something nasty back.)  Of course, unless they IP-banned me, they won't keep me out for long... ;7 and even if they did, I'd just change my IP :drevil:  However, I'd rather go about this the correct way first, before I resort to the back roads.

well you can't say no plagerism, cause its based on battlestar.

thats my guess on why you were given the boot.

I could see your point if we were selling BtRL as a product.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Nuke on May 05, 2007, 02:41:00 am
thats 50 kinds of suck.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Polpolion on May 05, 2007, 12:05:39 pm
I understand this is scary, JR2, but in light of that one member's dad getting fined for "pirating" the Babylon 5 mod, I find this rather ridiculous.  I guess they just don't like you or something :(


Someone got fined for something as miniscule as that? That makes me feel terrible, with all of my... uh... not having internet access ever and not ever being able to download anything

Yes... It may be difficult to believe, but I have never been on the internet :drevil: .
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Dark RevenantX on May 05, 2007, 03:00:35 pm
With their reasoning they might as well ban anyone who ever had the word "Lost" in their stuff.  The same applies to the number "24", "Heroes", "House"... the list goes on.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: phatosealpha on May 05, 2007, 08:23:05 pm
No.  Look, it's not like BtrL just happens to use the name, right?  Ship designs, weaponry, the entire universe is derivative content.  And there are reasons that a copyright holder might not be too happy about having someone give away a game based on their content - especially if they think they might ever make a game themselves, it's competition.

Really, you're making a derivative work off of someone else's copyrighted works, and you don't have a license for it, right?  So, you're infringing.  Chances are nobody's really gonna care, but it's not like you can claim the moral high ground here.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: karajorma on May 06, 2007, 02:33:58 am
well you can't say no plagerism, cause its based on battlestar.

Actually that makes us a derivative work. Plagiarism would be if we claimed that we came up with all the ideas for the mod ourselves. :)


Anyway looked into the matter and found this.

Quote
Broadcast on Vuze!
Vuze is a platform that enables media companies and creators of rich media content (film directors, videographers, musicians) to publish and distribute their work to millions of viewers, in high quality format (Standard-Definition and High-Definition video).

Wikipedia has this to say

Quote
Vuze (formerly code-named Zudeo) is both a BitTorrent client and content service by Azureus, Inc. The vuze.com website allows users to upload, download and share video content using this client. Unlike video sharing websites such as YouTube, Vuze focuses on DVD-quality and high-definition video content.

No where does it mention games. In fact, nowhere on the entire site can I find a single game, only trailers for them.

Which leaves me wondering, did you upload the demo to a site specifically designed for hi def video streams? Cause if you did I'm not surprised in the slightest that they kicked you off and banned you.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Mefustae on May 06, 2007, 03:00:13 am
Didn't the exact same thing happen to him on spacebattles.com? He gets banned, makes a thread moaning about how strange and unfair it is, and it turns out it's his own damn fault.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Polpolion on May 06, 2007, 07:17:04 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: jr2 on May 07, 2007, 12:08:58 am
:mad:
*slaps sizzler*
*slaps Mefustae*
*inserts quote & runs like heck*

Quote from: http://www.vuze.com/CreatingLoadingContent.html
Creating & Loading Content


How do I choose the right "content type" for my content?
Although people may categorize each of these a bit differently, we would like to create a consistent definition for each of these categories. By having consistent definitions, we can help make our search more powerful and effective, allowing users to quickly find exactly what they are looking for. Here are the general definitions we encourage using on our site:


Video: music video, short film, feature-length movies, etc.
Audio: audio file, consisting of film scores, songs, recorded interviews, podcasts, etc.
Game: video game

You can also use specific tags and categories when publishing your content to help define it more clearly (i.e.: documentary, animation, sci-fi).

What type of files can I upload?

Movies, film, music, animation, music video, games. However, please keep in mind our Copyright Policy (http://www.vuze.com/Copyright.html) and the limitations set out in our Terms of Service (http://www.vuze.com/Terms.html).


BTW, no, I didn't take that personal; I'm just joking about the slapping.  :lol:

EDIT: FYI, they did not take down my Tremulous 1.1.0 torrent, my Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory torrent, my Urban Terror 4.0 torrent, or my kkrieger-beta torrent.  Just thought that might be notable.

EDIT2:
Hmm
Quote from: http://www.vuze.com/UnauthorizedDistribution.html
My content has been removed from the site. Why?

There are several reasons why your content may be removed:


Your content has been reported as being in violation of copyright laws.
Your content has been reported as being sexually explicit�or showing graphic violence.
There is a download or playback problem (indicating a corrupt file).
Your content has an inaccurate description.
You have otherwise violated our Terms of Service (http://www.vuze.com/Terms.html).

If content you uploaded has been reported, we will make a determination of whether you have violated our Terms of Service (http://www.vuze.com/Terms.html) and may subsequently remove the content in question. We will usually try to ask you to correct the issue or re-upload, but, under certain circumstances, we may remove your content without notifying you. For more information, see our Terms of Service (http://www.vuze.com/Terms.html) and Copyright Policy (http://www.vuze.com/Copyright.html).
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Unknown Target on May 07, 2007, 12:24:30 am
Rather than *****ing about it to us, why don't you just write them a letter and see what happened?
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: jr2 on May 07, 2007, 12:30:37 am
Rather than *****ing about it to us, why don't you just write them a letter and see what happened?
Hi, can you please specify what rule I broke more than Reason: Other Comment: No?  The game engine is open-source and the content fan-created.  I am confused.  If you need more info, please tell me.
 
-Josh


----- Original Message ----
From: Azureus <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]_com
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2007 9:09:13 PM
Subject: You are banned!!


Dear jr02,
<snip>

Regards,


- The Azureus Team

Hi-def theater. Millions of views.

--------------------------------------------------
(c)2007 Azureus Inc. All Rights Reserved.
471 Emerson Street, Palo Alto, CA 94301
Visit us at http://www.vuze.com


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Get your own web address.
Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.

Try reading it the e-mail, n00b. lol <sorry, couldn't resist, seeing your custom title.  I know your not a n00b.>  You guys are starting to get under my skin, though.  Do I look stupid?  Don't answer that.  However, I've already tried to contact them (no response), they didn't ever try to contact me first to resolve this issue, and yes, I checked their FAQ, and found that Video Games were permissible before I uploaded.  (I actually wanted to upload before, but wasn't sure that it was allowed.)  So, I did my homework.  And I guess it doesn't pay off.  Oh, well...
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: karajorma on May 07, 2007, 02:55:57 am
That FAQ seems to be the only place they mention video games. It could just be old. Do they actually link to your content anywhere?
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Centrixo on May 07, 2007, 05:35:03 am
right. so let me get this straight.

You got banned for uploading a computer game mod on to Vuse, BUT you uploaded others? So now you banned because in one of these Rules of conduct or legal mombo jumbo, and there is a rule that clearly defining that your not allowed to upload what??? Picture of paint smacked up against a sheet of paper? a dead ant?

I wish they made this stuff more understandable, forget slapping Sizzler or Mefustae. Get a frying pan and smack the idoit who created legal mumbo jumbo, then throw a brick at the guy who created rules on azuerus and made it stupid.

i guess you got caught out somewhere in the middle. no mans land.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: jr2 on May 07, 2007, 01:38:15 pm
That FAQ seems to be the only place they mention video games. It could just be old. Do they actually link to your content anywhere?

(http://www.vuze.com/magnet/72GCUU33EGYG6VXYOANECTMNBT7PUZEY.jpg) (http://www.vuze.com/details/72GCUU33EGYG6VXYOANECTMNBT7PUZEY.html)(http://www.vuze.com/magnet/O2KTV2VSMFUVB4NNIAN2FW7P2WRASWZ4.jpg) (http://www.vuze.com/details/O2KTV2VSMFUVB4NNIAN2FW7P2WRASWZ4.html)(http://www.vuze.com/magnet/TBU6ITYO5G5MUIPRQJ3MNLMHGN6JYCGU.jpg) (http://www.vuze.com/details/TBU6ITYO5G5MUIPRQJ3MNLMHGN6JYCGU.html)(http://www.vuze.com/magnet/ITOF56UTEKBT3AWHAFVBFIXLI6NYOAWV.jpg) (http://www.vuze.com/details/ITOF56UTEKBT3AWHAFVBFIXLI6NYOAWV.html)

right. so let me get this straight.

You got banned for uploading a computer game mod on to Vuse, BUT you uploaded others? So now you banned because in one of these Rules of conduct or legal mombo jumbo, and there is a rule that clearly defining that your not allowed to upload what??? Picture of paint smacked up against a sheet of paper? a dead ant?

I wish they made this stuff more understandable, forget slapping Sizzler or Mefustae. Get a frying pan and smack the idoit who created legal mumbo jumbo, then throw a brick at the guy who created rules on azuerus and made it stupid.

i guess you got caught out somewhere in the middle. no mans land.

Prolly true... I just didn't quite like being told that it was all my fault and that (implied) I'm a n00b.

EDIT: BTW,

(http://www.vuze.com/magnet/RREHE3JG2YVLVHNH3XHK5AUJJPDE6L26.jpg) (http://www.vuze.com/details/RREHE3JG2YVLVHNH3XHK5AUJJPDE6L26.html)
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: AlphaOne on May 08, 2007, 06:38:45 pm
Hey hold on you can actualy view BSG for free? Where from where more exactly??
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Game_Master64 on May 08, 2007, 07:44:50 pm
personally, i prefer to stay away from torrents entirely. last time i tried, i got screwed for copy right infiringement
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: jr2 on May 09, 2007, 01:04:06 am
Hey hold on you can actualy view BSG for free? Where from where more exactly??

No, the FS TC mod BattleStar Galactica: Beyond the Red Line is free.

personally, i prefer to stay away from torrents entirely. last time i tried, i got screwed for copy right infiringement

Ah, as long as you only get known free stuff, or stuff that you already own, you should be alright.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: karajorma on May 10, 2007, 02:27:16 pm
I notice that all the mods that survived are in the category movie not game and have been assigned a running time.

I'm still pretty convinced that this is a movie site and they just haven't caught on to the other stuff you uploaded yet.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: jr2 on May 10, 2007, 11:43:22 pm
Hmm, well, if that's the case, they need to update their FAQ.  The reason that I didn't put anything in the category "Games", is that it is not available.  I thought it was just a bug (they changed from Azureus Zudeo to Azureus VUZE about that time) that they would eventually fix.  BtRL was set as movie too... as I said, you can only pick "Audio" and "Movie".  Hmm, besides, the BtRL soundtrack was set as "Audio", and they pulled that.  Not to mention, kkrieger was around #10 on "What's Hot" at one time.  No, I think they are aware, and that they are afraid of the BSG producers.
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: Unknown Target on August 05, 2007, 02:04:22 am
Er...is there a reason you necroed this thread to quote previous posts?
Title: Re: From: Azureus <[email protected]> You are banned!! <BtRL>
Post by: jr2 on August 05, 2007, 03:06:23 am
Ummm... frak.  Wrong button.  I meant to modify my e-mail out, because it's getting spammed.  I'll remove that post.

EDIT: UT, are you a mod?  If so, I need a favor.