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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => Inferno => Topic started by: Jake2447 on August 25, 2007, 09:31:30 pm
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Why did the EA design the USilv beam to destoy planets if the Lucifer's two SReds do the trick?
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the SRed on the lucifer renders the surface of the planet uninhabitable. Usilv blows a planets to bits, or at the very least makes a pretty big hole.
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the SRed on the lucifer renders the surface of the planet uninhabitable. Usilv blows a planets to bits, or at the very least makes a pretty big hole.
The primary weapon of the EASJ Icanus (at least i think that was the name) bombards the planet's surface at certain plate fault lines, causing the tectonic forces to effectively tear the planet apart. It theoretically woulden't destroy the planet out right, the way i see it, but it would cause one hell of an inferno.
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The Lucifer did not destroy/render uninhabitable planets with SReds. It did it with Shivan Super Lasers. IIRC, Volition just put SReds on the FS2 Lucifer instead of Shivan Super Lasers. (Therefore turning it into a white elephant with less firepower than a Rakshasa-class cruiser!)
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And it's called the "Punisher Cannon" now, by the way.
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It would be impossible to destroy a planet with a beam cannon unless you vaporised it, gravity would bring the pieces back together.
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[...]but it would cause one hell of an inferno.
What does it mean? :wtf:
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It would be impossible to destroy a planet with a beam cannon unless you vaporised it, gravity would bring the pieces back together.
We don't know if the Icanus needs a single volley...I think it would fire almost everywhere, causing eruptions and catastrophe. It should be able to compromise the gravitational field by hitting the "nucleo".
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rubbish :ick:
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No, not here. Burn him, burn him!!!
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[...]but it would cause one hell of an inferno.
What does it mean? :wtf:
Think of it like glassing a planet, but let the planet do the job. Basically, all the damege to the tectonic plates would cause continues gigantic tectonic earthquakes until the whole place ends up like one big volcano. Bottom line: It kills everything on the planet.
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[...]but it would cause one hell of an inferno.
What does it mean? :wtf:
Think of it like glassing a planet, but let the planet do the job. Basically, all the damege to the tectonic plates would cause continues gigantic tectonic earthquakes until the whole place ends up like one big volcano. Bottom line: It kills everything on the planet
But the Lucifer caused the same effect on Vasuda Prime (not exactly, but everyone died) with much less powerful weapons.
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not really, they just destroyed all the cities. i think that should be enough to polute the atmosphere enough to render the surface inhospitable.
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not really, they just destroyed all the cities. i think that should be enough to polute the atmosphere enough to render the surface inhospitable.
Like I said. Same effect. No one lives there anymore.
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and in the end, it doesn't matter who's right or wrong,
just that we kill everything on a planet! :)
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not really, they just destroyed all the cities. i think that should be enough to polute the atmosphere enough to render the surface inhospitable.
Like I said. Same effect. No one lives there anymore.
Except death by volcano has a psychological edge over death by pollution. The Lucifer does the job, the Icanus is there to scare the hell out of everyone.
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It would be impossible to destroy a planet with a beam cannon unless you vaporised it, gravity would bring the pieces back together.
Incorrect. Put a suitably obscene amount of energy into the beam weapon and the fragments would disperse quickly enough to escape each other's gravity. This amount of energy, however, vastly exceeds anything ever seen in FreeSpace by tens of orders of magnitude. It's completelyy impossible with the known FS tech base, other than with the Sathanas subspace weapon, which seems to really open a big hole in subspace out of which pours some of subspace's energy, requiring relatively little output from the firing ship.
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It would be impossible to destroy a planet with a beam cannon unless you vaporised it, gravity would bring the pieces back together.
Incorrect. Put a suitably obscene amount of energy into the beam weapon and the fragments would disperse quickly enough to escape each other's gravity. This amount of energy, however, vastly exceeds anything ever seen in FreeSpace by tens of orders of magnitude. It's completelyy impossible with the known FS tech base, other than with the Sathanas subspace weapon, which seems to really open a big hole in subspace out of which pours some of subspace's energy, requiring relatively little output from the firing ship.
:wtf:
We know nothing about Shvan susbspace stuff... AFAIK, that thing doesn't even appear to be a "point-and-shoot" weapon
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and in the end, it doesn't matter who's right or wrong,
just that we kill everything on a planet! :)
That's how I deal with problems! ;)
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The Punisher cannon creates a similar effect to the T-Bomb from WC3 is that correct? cool :yes:
I'm not Dekker, please don't Kick me - go away.......IT mAy bE sOOPaH, but it hurts!
:wtf:
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You just noticed?
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Well, even if one couldn't blow up a planet entirely and the pieces were pulled back together by gravity, the planet would still be a mess and even if it would eventually become inhabitable once more, it would take longer than what dsmart needs to make a bug-free product.
There, happy now? You don't need to vaporize it, just ruin it.
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Well, even if one couldn't blow up a planet entirely and the pieces were pulled back together by gravity, the planet would still be a mess and even if it would eventually become inhabitable once more, it would take longer than what dsmart needs to make a bug-free product.
There, happy now? You don't need to vaporize it, just ruin it.
That was my point. The Lucifer rendered Vasuda prime uninhabitable with just two SSLBeams. Like .1% of the firepower of the USilv.
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The USilver is supposed to destroy a planet by compromising its internal structure.
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But it would still require an awfully strong shockwave, if you wanted to make sure that the fragments of the planet spread tthroughout the galaxy, never to be merged back together again.
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What do you mean with "merged back together again"? It can happen, but it doesn't mean that a new, florid planet would be the result of that process.
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What do you mean with "merged back together again"? It can happen, but it doesn't mean that a new, florid planet would be the result of that process.
What I mean is that I got the idea you wanted to blow a planet up so that the pieces would spread like up to Andromeda or something. Apparently you only wanted to break the planet so that no one could live there. My bad.
I also earlier stated that part about the pieces coming together under gravity and, with the increasing pressure and heat, eventually forming a 'new' planet. But that even if it could some day support life, it would take, um... i dunno, at least hundreds, if not thousands of years.
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What do you mean with "merged back together again"? It can happen, but it doesn't mean that a new, florid planet would be the result of that process.
What I mean is that I got the idea you wanted to blow a planet up so that the pieces would spread like up to Andromeda or something. Apparently you only wanted to break the planet so that no one could live there. My bad.
I also earlier stated that part about the pieces coming together under gravity and, with the increasing pressure and heat, eventually forming a 'new' planet. But that even if it could some day support life, it would take, um... i dunno, at least hundreds, if not thousands of years.
try millions or billions of years
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Hmm... yes, I think you are right, young grasshopper. It would indeed be in those readings. If it would even happen.
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Hmm... yes, I think you are right, young grasshopper. It would indeed be in those readings. If it would even happen.
Unless the chunks of planet were all exactly the same size, the new planets center would have moved, and most likely have rendered the planet uninhabitable.
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It would be impossible to destroy a planet with a beam cannon unless you vaporised it, gravity would bring the pieces back together.
Incorrect. Put a suitably obscene amount of energy into the beam weapon and the fragments would disperse quickly enough to escape each other's gravity. This amount of energy, however, vastly exceeds anything ever seen in FreeSpace by tens of orders of magnitude. It's completelyy impossible with the known FS tech base, other than with the Sathanas subspace weapon, which seems to really open a big hole in subspace out of which pours some of subspace's energy, requiring relatively little output from the firing ship.
:wtf:
We know nothing about Shvan susbspace stuff... AFAIK, that thing doesn't even appear to be a "point-and-shoot" weapon
Well, unless the Sathanas juggernauts produced the equivalent of the energy that Capella makes in several billion years, they yielded a great deal more energy than they put in. Furthermore, in Inferno, the subspace thing is a point and shoot weapon.
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Inferno...is....not...canon!
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He was refering to the subspace weapon...that's canon. :P
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He was refering to the subspace weapon...that's canon. :P
Well, unless the Sathanas juggernauts produced the equivalent of the energy that Capella makes in several billion years, they yielded a great deal more energy than they put in. Furthermore, in Inferno, the subspace thing is a point and shoot weapon.
Inferno...is....not...canon!
:P
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What did the Shivans use to blow Capella up? :wtf:
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Harsh language...........(etak :p)
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Subspace technology. Subspace technology. Subspace technology. It's CANON.
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But it's not a direct shot weapon like a beam cannon... IMHO, I don't think it can be used aganist anything else than a sun
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You don't know. We don't know if the first Sathanas(and/or Sathanas 17) was/were capable of subspace attacks, so we can't give for sure that they don't use their subspace weapon.
The fact that many Sathanas powered down leds me to think that they're not the same.
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You don't know.
Neither do you. ;)
The subspace-weapon-as-a-ship-to-ship-beam was added by Inferno. There is no reason to suspect that an FS2 Sathanas could turn its subspace device against a ship, just because an Inferno Sathanas can.
Inferno is not canon. Plain and simple.
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You don't know. We don't know if the first Sathanas(and/or Sathanas 17) was/were capable of subspace attacks, so we can't give for sure that they don't use their subspace weapon.
The fact that many Sathanas powered down leds me to think that they're not the same.
80 Saths powered those subspace rift thingies for over TWO DAYS... that's really not a good weapon for ship-to-ship combat, even if it could be used like that. Both saths that engaged the GTVA forces never used it - since they can't - nuff said.
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or dont have the two-days (or more) charging time in the middle of a battle. and engines would slow that time by consuming energy. i think using beams subtracts from built up energy to, so the saths engaged in battle DEFINATELY wouldnt use it.
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I know that Inferno isn't canon!
<for you :P>
1) How do you know that the subspace weapon of INFR1 was intended as an antiship weapon? In ITDoH, if I remember well, it is used to accelerate the shockwave coming from Capella. An indirect use we could see in a planetary bombardment. Many things are possible with FRED;
2) Two days of light pulsations, but just a few seconds of intense ones. *cough*Cutscene*cough*
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Just something I remember about how the Lucifer whacked Vasuda Prime. Didn't it use only those two beam weapons for something like 12 - 18 hours straight?
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The Lucifer fleet bombarded Vasuda Prime from orbit for thirteen hours straight.
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That comes from FS1 :doubt:
The Lucifer did the job, I don't think other Shivan ships bombarded the planet.
Also, remember that many Vasudans attacked the Shivans. They couldn't destroy the Lucifer, but they surely destroyed many Shivan ships. And are Cains, Liliths and bombers able to bombard a planet?
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1. Yes, it's from FS1. But I didn't start this. He did *points at boewolf*.
2. I'm quoting canon information which states that the fleet bombarded Vasuda. If by that they mean that the Lucy bombarded the planet while the other ships just idled there is not of my concern.
3. Again in the command briefing it was stated that several attacks were launched from nearby installations. All of them failed (well duh, what'd you expect from an attack against the Lucy in normal space?).
4. Dunno. Maybe they can drop something there? Maybe the bombers could bomb some structures on the planet or somethin'?
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Off-topic, but where'd Akenbosch go?
I think that cruisers/'vettes (I know that this is FS1, I'm just saying)/destroyers could bombard planets with laser/missile fire. If Newtonian, A missile would continue indefinitely.
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Well the health & safety people made missiles self-destruct when they run out of fuel. Apparently the Shivans have health & safety people too.
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Off-topic, but where'd Akenbosch go?
I think that cruisers/'vettes (I know that this is FS1, I'm just saying)/destroyers could bombard planets with laser/missile fire. If Newtonian, A missile would continue indefinitely.
Did he get banned, or am I thinking of Takashi?
Anyway: I agree that the cruisers in the Lucy fleet took part in the bombardment of Vasuda Prime. It's the old argument of "did the Shivans have BEAMZ in FS1". I think the front of a Cain/Lilith looks an awful lot like the cannons on the Lucy, therefore they had beams, though they never used them in-game.
And, please, let's not start the "FS1 Shivans had beams" argument in here. I'm only stating my opinion.
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He was Taka, or his brother.
EDIT: And WMC (or someone) found incomplete beam code in FS1.
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Off-topic, but where'd Akenbosch go?
I think that cruisers/'vettes (I know that this is FS1, I'm just saying)/destroyers could bombard planets with laser/missile fire. If Newtonian, A missile would continue indefinitely.
The missile/bobm would burn up in the atmosphere of the planet (if it was anything like earth). Considering vasudans have spaceships, I'm assuming they need an atmosphere to breathe.
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Neither Terrans nor Vasudans are shown with breathing equipment in the Command Briefing cutscene in FS1. Infer from that what you will.
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i say that they have pressurized cockpits, like the SW Xwing. the suits are just against shrapnel (if the control consol blows up, but the main part of the ship is intact) and in case of atmosphere leaks, it instantly pumps oxygen into the suit, turning it into TIE-fighter style life support.
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Re: Bombs burning up in atmosphere, how come the harbingers tech entry states that they were primarily reserved for planetary bombardment then? :P
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Maybe Harbingers were made so they didn't burn up in the atmosphere?
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Re: Bombs burning up in atmosphere, how come the harbingers tech entry states that they were primarily reserved for planetary bombardment then? :P
Not all planets have atmosperes.
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But the only planets worth bombing would.