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Title: Interests in the 158th
Post by: LtNarol on February 23, 2008, 04:25:51 pm: Hi all, I've been told there's some interest in leftovers of the 158th project(s?). It seems to me there are a couple options, and I'd like to know what the general community prefers. Seeing as I can't seem to figure out how to post a poll on the new forums, I'm just going to do a hand count. Please post only once.

Option 1:
We can release all project materials to the general community. This is pretty straight forward, a RAR file goes up with models, textures, partially debugged missions, and a few other things here and there.

Option 2:
Selected release of actually completed materials. This will save a lot of sifting through various bits and peices which are, well, in very early stages of development.

Option 3:
If there is sufficient interest in restarting the project (ie: there are people interested in working on it), I can hand over what I have to that group and let them do with it as they will.

Any members of the dev team with interests or opinions should contact me privately via PM or email.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Woolie Wool on February 23, 2008, 04:30:58 pm: I would prefer option 2, although I think you could also release models and such that only require minor alteration (POF data, etc.) to make fully functional.

Thank you very, very much for posting this. :D
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Water on February 23, 2008, 05:44:32 pm: Option 2
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Mobius on February 23, 2008, 05:46:56 pm: Quote from: Water on February 23, 2008, 05:44:32 pm
Option 2

:yes:
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Hades on February 23, 2008, 06:03:47 pm: Option 2 & 3.
If there are enough people who want to revive this project then by all means let it be revived.
If not option 2 and if there are pofs. that only need some alteration release those too.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Mad Bomber on February 23, 2008, 07:15:12 pm: Any option is better than letting it sit. I vote Option 2 just cause that seems to be the consensus, but I wouldn't mind seeing the half-done missions and such also.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: colecampbell666 on February 23, 2008, 08:47:12 pm: What happened to the project? Chapter one was soooo close to completion.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on February 23, 2008, 09:25:14 pm: If you were looking at releasing "Exposition", I'd suggest finishing up the interface and probably just dropping the attempt at getting it voice acted, from what it looks like on the website. I'd be more than happy to help if there's anything that has to do with tables or FRED to be finished up.

So I'd say release everything, but also have everything that is completed in a second package. (Options 1 and 2)

Finally, I'd really like to see this project active again, so if option 3 gets enough support, I can table fairly well and FRED satisfactorily. :)
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on February 24, 2008, 01:45:44 am: I'd like to help. I'm FREDer, tabler and partially effecter. (Already working in BtRL team and others. Also check my stuff)
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: asyikarea51 on February 24, 2008, 02:54:23 am: Quote from: thesizzler on February 23, 2008, 09:25:14 pm
So I'd say release everything, but also have everything that is completed in a second package. (Options 1 and 2)
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Getter Robo G on February 24, 2008, 03:50:54 am: Option 1: So people can see things that otherwise would never see light of day. They can finish it off themselves, or at least find inspiration... Would be no different from any other model/project dump where you have completed and partial works but expanded like OTT release was, and that was Phenomenal...
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: starlord on February 24, 2008, 04:09:48 am: Thanks Ltnarol for answering. At least one of you reacted to my PM's. :lol:

would anybody volunteer to continue the project? It looked great. Perhaps one day it could be reborn like the apocalypse project.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Snail on February 24, 2008, 04:29:37 am: Quote from: asyikarea51 on February 24, 2008, 02:54:23 am
Quote from: thesizzler on February 23, 2008, 09:25:14 pm
So I'd say release everything, but also have everything that is completed in a second package. (Options 1 and 2)

Wow you're still alive. :P

Quote from: thesizzler on February 23, 2008, 09:25:14 pm
If you were looking at releasing "Exposition", I'd suggest finishing up the interface and probably just dropping the attempt at getting it voice acted, from what it looks like on the website. I'd be more than happy to help if there's anything that has to do with tables or FRED to be finished up.

Voice acted? That's about as bad as letting it all decompose.

IMO, Option 2.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Mobius on February 24, 2008, 04:40:02 am: Please forgive my curiosity...

May we know the exact contents of the package you are <probably> going to share with the community? I'm asking for a list and hopefully screenshots.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Snail on February 24, 2008, 04:42:30 am: Tanks...
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on February 24, 2008, 01:58:40 pm: Hey, how about this: I'll throw together a list of everyone who is interested in helping "rebirth" the 158th, then if LtNarol deems it okay, we can either officially take over production, or if they just release everything they have regardless of its completion, we can try and continue it unofficially.

So far I've seen:

thesizzler - tables, FRED
shiv_pl - tables, FRED, effector
Getter Robo G - voice acting

Anyone else wishing to do either of the above things, post so here, and be sure to include what you can do.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Getter Robo G on February 24, 2008, 05:12:46 pm: Unfortunately, the only thing I contributed to 158th was voice acting. I'd certainly do more of that for the previous role or others if given the opportunity in the future.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Whitelight on February 24, 2008, 05:50:21 pm: option 2 :D
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Mad Bomber on February 25, 2008, 05:50:32 pm: Any word on this?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on February 25, 2008, 08:00:15 pm: This needs more publicity. I'd think an announcement would do, but that might not be the most respectful thing to do.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Whitelight on February 25, 2008, 08:32:21 pm: The thread title got my attension, without added advertising. :D

One of three things will happen..
Eather the project is reborn, and becomes stable again, or everything that is game worthy is released.. Or everything is released in a package. Its a win, win, win situation. :D
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on February 25, 2008, 08:42:14 pm: Quote from: Whitelight on February 25, 2008, 08:32:21 pm
Eather the project is reborn, and becomes stable again, or everything that is game worthy is released.. Or everything is released in a package. Its a win, win, win situation. :D

By that you mean a "Neither winning nor losing"-"lose"-"lose slightly less", right?

It's a terrible shame that the original team couldn't complete it, but as most people believe, better someone do it rather than it sit there neglected. If only the worthy stuff is released, there's still a crap load of stuff that's there, but we don't know about. We wouldn't be able to try and continue the project if we had any respect for them. The only thing that makes the option you said last less bad is the fact that we'll be able to restart the project.

In my most humble opinion, if option 1 is chosen, we can make an un-official continuation project at best.

If option 2 is chosen, they clearly either don't believe it could be satisfactorily continued or they don't want people trying to finish it. Either way, for some reason, they don't want a new dev team taking over for one or more of various reasons.

If option 3 is chosen, then the team will continue with the exact material that the original team left off with, and hopefully the occasional input of the original developers. Option 3 would be an official rebirth of the project, and IMHO the best choice.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on February 29, 2008, 08:37:52 am: So, any updates?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: starlord on March 08, 2008, 05:37:37 am: So what will it be then, option 2 or 3?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Jake2447 on March 08, 2008, 10:35:52 pm: options 1 and 2
im really interested in the mod.
it died before i discovered fs2, but from the website, some of the content looks great.\
hopefully at least some is released
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Mad Bomber on March 11, 2008, 06:11:13 pm: :bump:
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on March 11, 2008, 06:33:38 pm: :( How sad. Even this thread died.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Hades on March 11, 2008, 07:38:51 pm: Quote from: thesizzler on March 11, 2008, 06:33:38 pm
:( How sad. Even this thread died.
:sigh:
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on March 12, 2008, 12:36:40 am: Nooooooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: starlord on March 12, 2008, 03:10:03 am: It would be good to take a definite decision about this!
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: LtNarol on March 12, 2008, 02:24:41 pm: Below are links to what I've been able to dig up. I haven't been able to find any voice data, and mission data seems to end after Exposition.

Enjoy =)

Exposition Data (http://www.mediafire.com/?tcrjtdexygz)
Test Data (http://www.mediafire.com/?qgzhjcx1wxv)

If anyone has access to better hosting, feel free to put up mirrors.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: starlord on March 12, 2008, 02:52:00 pm: I sincerely hope this will be reborn like the TAP oneday: It deserves to.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on March 12, 2008, 03:11:07 pm: AWESOMEEEE!
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Woolie Wool on March 12, 2008, 03:40:43 pm: Quote from: LtNarol on March 12, 2008, 02:24:41 pm
Below are links to what I've been able to dig up. I haven't been able to find any voice data, and mission data seems to end after Exposition.

Enjoy =)

Exposition Data (http://www.mediafire.com/?tcrjtdexygz)
Test Data (http://www.mediafire.com/?qgzhjcx1wxv)

If anyone has access to better hosting, feel free to put up mirrors.

This is awesome! Thank you so much for this. The Lethe is just :eek2: and the models as a whole are excellent.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on March 12, 2008, 03:46:58 pm: What about restarting whole project. I can help a lot :D
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on March 12, 2008, 04:59:23 pm: Quote from: LtNarol on March 12, 2008, 02:24:41 pm
Below are links to what I've been able to dig up. I haven't been able to find any voice data, and mission data seems to end after Exposition.

Enjoy =)

Exposition Data (http://www.mediafire.com/?tcrjtdexygz)
Test Data (http://www.mediafire.com/?qgzhjcx1wxv)

If anyone has access to better hosting, feel free to put up mirrors.

THANK YOU! :)
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Getter Robo G on March 12, 2008, 05:16:36 pm: Thank You LtNarol, no matter if just pieces are used by someone or maybe a map or image inspires something new at least some of the 158th legacy survives for the community...

The elongated Fenris type with the oversized guns made me smile, but got me thinking... ;)
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: blowfish on March 12, 2008, 07:18:22 pm: Are there any TBLs associated with Exposition Data? (especially ships and weapons)
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on March 12, 2008, 08:15:00 pm: Quote from: blowfish on March 12, 2008, 07:18:22 pm
Are there any TBLs associated with Exposition Data? (especially ships and weapons)

I was just about to say the same thing. Are the tables in the test data for Exposition?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: LtNarol on March 13, 2008, 01:50:59 pm: Oi, seem to have missed that folder while rarring. Attached below.

[attachment deleted by ninja]
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Snail on March 13, 2008, 03:29:46 pm: Hmm... Can we use these in Apocalypse III?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on March 13, 2008, 03:37:52 pm: Yeah. We'd love to!
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
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Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on March 13, 2008, 04:15:08 pm: Why are you guys always mooching ships off of other projects? :confused:
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Snail on March 13, 2008, 04:15:54 pm: Quote from: thesizzler on March 13, 2008, 04:15:08 pm
Why are you guys always mooching ships off of other projects? :confused:
Because we are terrifyingly useless at modelling. :P
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on March 13, 2008, 04:32:59 pm: So am I, but you don't see me getting anyone else to model for my project (anymore). Sketchup is where it's at, man.

Now texturing/UVing, I could understand about that part. :p
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Woolie Wool on March 13, 2008, 04:40:08 pm: Jesus! I think anyone who downloads those tables should swap the ship speeds and turn times from the test data tables because the ones provided are insane.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: LtNarol on March 13, 2008, 07:25:35 pm: Oh, right, those weren't the actual Exposition tables... I forgot about that...

Long story short, I was testing something using Exposition ship tables, and never reverted them. :lol:

I, unfortunately, can't seem to find the backups.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on March 13, 2008, 07:31:07 pm: Sounds like we'll need to put a team together to fix this...
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Woolie Wool on March 13, 2008, 09:52:53 pm: Quote from: LtNarol on March 13, 2008, 07:25:35 pm
Oh, right, those weren't the actual Exposition tables... I forgot about that...

Long story short, I was testing something using Exposition ship tables, and never reverted them. :lol:

I, unfortunately, can't seem to find the backups.

I made the best approximation I could of the Exposition ship and weapon tables. Considering that the balance feels about right when playing the missions, I think it's pretty much exactly the way it used to be.

EDIT: FS2 weapon sounds are just wrong with these new weapons. I think I might be able to whip up fancy effects and sounds for the weapons this weekend.

I also have some shinemaps for the Lethe, Styx, and Acheron. I'll probably bundle those with the effects and sounds. They're a bit crude, but they're better than nothing.

[attachment deleted by ninja]
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Jake2447 on March 13, 2008, 10:20:46 pm: Am I the only one who can't get the skyboxes to work. I have all subfolders in a data folder, but FS2 doesn't load the skyboxes, the capships (except for the colonial destroyer and carrier), or anything in the tech room. What am I doint wrong?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Woolie Wool on March 13, 2008, 10:24:01 pm: Are you using the tables I attached to my last post?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Jake2447 on March 13, 2008, 10:26:07 pm: Will that fix the problem?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Woolie Wool on March 13, 2008, 11:03:16 pm: It should.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: starlord on March 14, 2008, 03:18:49 am: It's interesting to see that the material will be safeguarded.

Simple question: isn't apocalypse III the TAP mod?

Also, would people consider to "reconstruct" the 158th one day?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on March 14, 2008, 06:22:57 am: Apocalypse III is one of my projects.
Here's teaser trailer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tyvdcaYBgqk
And our forum: http://www.sectorgame.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=49
also screnshots threads: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,45413.0.html and http://www.sectorgame.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2976
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Snail on March 14, 2008, 08:21:47 am: Quote from: starlord on March 14, 2008, 03:18:49 am
Also, would people consider to "reconstruct" the 158th one day?

Would be really nice but can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Woolie Wool on March 14, 2008, 09:25:01 am: It wouldn't be terribly difficult as Narol left us a nearly complete campaign.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: starlord on March 14, 2008, 09:42:35 am: It would indeed be great to see it finished! If I recall well the 158th has a total of 2 campaigns right? There shouldn't be a shortage of persons willing to complete the project.

Apocalypse 3: Hubba Hubba! This one seems great. But are the nightmares truly our allies? :drevil:
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on March 14, 2008, 09:53:55 am: Quote from: starlord on March 14, 2008, 09:42:35 am
Apocalypse 3: Hubba Hubba! This one seems great. But are the nightmares truly our allies? :drevil:

That's a big secret :D ;7
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: starlord on March 14, 2008, 10:21:44 am: There is also the dreamcatcher MOD for inferno where you fight against nightmares: It seems they are now part of freespace. :nod:
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Snail on March 14, 2008, 10:30:45 am: Nightmares are very well known in the community. Many mods have used them, but up till, of those which do include them, few have actually been released.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: starlord on March 14, 2008, 10:34:43 am: Yup: If I know my FS history well, the first one was reciprocity, right? I suppose it got cancelled, but people scavenged a bit before. :lol:
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Snail on March 14, 2008, 10:38:28 am: You know current events as well? 2 HTL Nightmares were recently released... More akin to B5 Shadows than Nightmares, though...
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: starlord on March 14, 2008, 10:50:52 am: What do you mean by HTL nightmares?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Snail on March 14, 2008, 01:25:13 pm: High Poly Nightmares.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on March 14, 2008, 04:51:46 pm: Congrats on staying on topic, people! Takes skill!
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: BS403 on March 14, 2008, 07:08:58 pm: Quote from: Snail on March 14, 2008, 10:38:28 am
You know current events as well? 2 HTL Nightmares were recently released... More akin to B5 Shadows than Nightmares, though...

aldo redesigned the nightmares because he didn't like the old ones IIRC.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on March 14, 2008, 07:28:19 pm: Never did quite understand the funny propellor ships of the 158th, but it was different . . I'll give it that.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Goober5000 on March 14, 2008, 07:32:07 pm: Quote from: thesizzler on March 13, 2008, 07:31:07 pm
Sounds like we'll need to put a team together to fix this...
Are you volunteering as project leader? :drevil:

I could do the same thing I did with chief1983 and SWC, and set up an online chat where people could discuss strategies for resurrecting the project. If things go well, I'd open up the forum again. You, Woolie Wool, and starlord all appear to be interested.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: freespaceking on March 14, 2008, 07:37:12 pm: i would also like to help in resurrecting the project :)
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on March 14, 2008, 07:54:58 pm: Quote from: Goober5000 on March 14, 2008, 07:32:07 pm
Quote from: thesizzler on March 13, 2008, 07:31:07 pm
Sounds like we'll need to put a team together to fix this...
Are you volunteering as project leader? :drevil:

I could do the same thing I did with chief1983 and SWC, and set up an online chat where people could discuss strategies for resurrecting the project. If things go well, I'd open up the forum again. You, Woolie Wool, and starlord all appear to be interested.

I am certainly interested :). AFAIK Shiv_PL want's to help too.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Woolie Wool on March 14, 2008, 08:04:56 pm: Quote from: Akalabeth Angel on March 14, 2008, 07:28:19 pm
Never did quite understand the funny propellor ships of the 158th, but it was different . . I'll give it that.

The rotors keep the ships from falling out of the sky because most of the action takes place in Earth's atmosphere. The EA used them, the CC used thrusters that pointed down.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Jake2447 on March 14, 2008, 10:30:07 pm: I would be interested in offering my humble FREDding skills if the project needed it.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on March 15, 2008, 03:25:04 am: Also me. I'm experianced in tabling and FREDding.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on March 15, 2008, 09:38:29 am: Quote from: Woolie Wool on March 14, 2008, 09:25:01 am
It wouldn't be terribly difficult as Narol left us a nearly complete campaign.

Actually according to the website, there were 6 acts and exposition was the demo.

So does anyone want to set up an IRC discussion about this? It'd be really awesome if in addition to all the people interested in helping out we had a couple representatives from the original team at the discussion, LtNarol.

I'm free today from now until GMT 2:30AM (That would be about 10:30 to about 9:30 GMT-5, if anyone's curious).
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on March 15, 2008, 09:54:23 am: Now in Poland there's 4 PM GMT+1.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Goober5000 on March 15, 2008, 10:01:59 am: Let's give people at least 24 hours' notice. I propose tomorrow (Sunday) at 4pm EST / 8pm GMT. How does that work for everyone?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on March 15, 2008, 10:09:42 am: That's fine for me ;7
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on March 15, 2008, 10:29:31 am: sounds good :)
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: freespaceking on March 15, 2008, 10:44:59 am: That's fine for me to. :)
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Jake2447 on March 15, 2008, 08:01:53 pm: Should work.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on March 16, 2008, 02:32:54 pm: All on #hard-light, correct?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Goober5000 on March 16, 2008, 03:03:40 pm: Think so. I'm online now.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Snail on March 16, 2008, 03:05:40 pm: Where is everyone?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on March 16, 2008, 03:06:35 pm: yeah, all there is is me, snail, and goob. :mad:

You guys sold us out.
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: freespaceking on March 16, 2008, 03:09:14 pm: i'm here. :)
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Snail on March 16, 2008, 03:14:53 pm: We're on IRC, Foo'!
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on March 16, 2008, 03:15:09 pm: What channel should I join?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Snail on March 16, 2008, 03:16:47 pm: It's at the top of the page!
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on March 16, 2008, 03:18:47 pm: And what should i do before? :confused: I'm typing "join #hard-light"

EDIT: Which server should I choose?
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Wanderer on March 16, 2008, 03:21:34 pm: #hard-light channel in Esper.net IRC network... In case you happen to lack proper IRC client... Java-IRC (or CGI:IRC) ought be in their homepage http://www.esper.net/
Type:
/nick <insertyournickhere>
/join #hard-light

Is also listed in the top bar of the HLP...
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Goober5000 on March 16, 2008, 03:22:35 pm: Click on "HLP IRC Channel".
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on March 16, 2008, 03:30:10 pm: Thanks. My IceChat client wasn't working properly ;)
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: Polpolion on March 16, 2008, 04:27:49 pm: The new forum! (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/board,158.0.html)

Freespaceking! Check your PMs!
Title: Re: Interests in the 158th
Post by: shiv on March 16, 2008, 04:28:56 pm: Awesome. I have never thought that this project would be reborn :D ;7