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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: MP-Ryan on April 14, 2008, 09:29:31 am
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I never managed to play Homeworld, despite trying out the second game (and getting thoroughly thrashed in mission 4, so bad in fact that I gave up and decided to try to find the irst game so the learning curve wasn't so steep). Now I'm looking for a copy, but it seems all I can find are a few shady US/UK retailers through Amazon.
Anyone know where I could get a copy that's a little more likely to be hassle-free? I tried Direct2Drive and exhausted my Google-fu.
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Actually, I just torrented it last night. I could PM you the torrent.
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:eek2: Blatant......................................Play.com would surely be a more moral choice.........
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Well, I own the game but the actual CD is back home. I'm not gonna drive all the way there just to get it. :D
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*coughpostcough*
Hmmm.............That old chestnut.
I'm saying no more................. ;7
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Homeworld-PC-New-Sealed_W0QQitemZ150235486325QQihZ005QQcategoryZ62053QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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I never managed to play Homeworld, despite trying out the second game (and getting thoroughly thrashed in mission 4, so bad in fact that I gave up and decided to try to find the irst game so the learning curve wasn't so steep). Now I'm looking for a copy, but it seems all I can find are a few shady US/UK retailers through Amazon.
Anyone know where I could get a copy that's a little more likely to be hassle-free? I tried Direct2Drive and exhausted my Google-fu.
I gave up on Mission4 several times before I cracked it. Three things: Salvage Corvettes, Heavy Corvettes and Attack Bombers.
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I think he means Mission 4 of Homeworld 2.
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Homeworld 2 isn't the second Homeworld game despite it's name. But Cataclysm's fourth mission is piss easy, so who knows.
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Oddly, I really liked Cataclysm, in spite of the apparently negative community reaction.
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Cata wasn't a bad game, but the story felt far more generic the the original, and the villian certainly was. Plus, salvage, which was a huge, huge part of HW1, was more or less nonexistent in Cata. Even if the beast ships weren't completely uncappable, the hard fleet support limit and nerfed salcaps would've trashed it but the beast itself made the point completely moot.
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You could salvage Beast ships somehow...I remember because they'd come out of your hangar bay all white.
But I agree, the nerfed salvage was a negative change.
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Awww, come on, Cataclysm was great. Little ragtag fleet vs. crazy Borg virus monstrosity is win. The guy driving the command ship was a BAMF. Sure it was more cliche than HW1 but it was a cliche done really well, kind of like FreeSpace.
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You could salvage Beast ships somehow...I remember because they'd come out of your hangar bay all white.
But I agree, the nerfed salvage was a negative change.
I remember that Salvage Corvettes got beastified if they tried to dock with one of their ships, so I doubt it.
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"We live!"
:shaking:
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Yeah, I also really enjoyed Cataclysm. It's not a classic like HW1, but that's a tough act to follow.
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I think he means Mission 4 of Homeworld 2.
You would be correct.
I could find a torrent but I'd rather not download it somewhat-less-than-legally.
I'll keep looking. The Ebay link isn't bad, but I was hoping to find an actual Canadian or US retailer.
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You could salvage Beast ships somehow...I remember because they'd come out of your hangar bay all white.
But I agree, the nerfed salvage was a negative change.
I remember that Salvage Corvettes got beastified if they tried to dock with one of their ships, so I doubt it.
No, I remember now -- you could get the Infection Vaccine upgrade that let your workers salvage Beast ships. The image of them coming out of the Command Ship's hangar all white, as if they'd been scrubbed or purged, was very striking.
I really didn't like the Plasma Guns upgrade that came about in the endgame, though -- it pretty much made strike craft useless.
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It's been a long time since I've played HW2 but I think I remember it being especially difficult because it essentially penalizes you for doing well in a previous mission. Each mission overly scales with what you enter the mission with, so for a couple missions it's actually much easier if you blow up your whole fleet before u hyper out :P
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Yeah, I remember one of the things that really bugged me in HW2 was the amount of fleet turnover. What I mean is, in HW1 a lot of the ships I built survived till the end of the game. Sure I lost my fair share of frigates and a few heavier things, but I'm pretty sure the majority survived.
Now in HW2, on some of those later missions, I would be constantly building and losing ships until the ships I had started the mission with were long dead, along with several fleets' worth of ships inbetween. Now I understand that you could keep harvesting resources and building new ships, but where do you get the people to pilot them if they keep dying?
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Right, and part of the fun with HW1 was the feeling that you'd assembled your ragtag fleet from humble beginnings, defying the odds and the Empire in order to construct an impressive war machine.
HW2 had that rapid turnover, and since it was so militarized you never really felt like the underdog -- all your ships were polished, professional, and interchangeable, instead of precious and beautiful assets.
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HW1 was probably one of the best RTS for ambience I had ever played.
And since An0n isn't around, I'll do it....
Kharak!!!! :(
Edit: It also one of the few games with 'Battle Chatter' between units, I'd love to see that idea enhanced.
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Right, and part of the fun with HW1 was the feeling that you'd assembled your ragtag fleet from humble beginnings, defying the odds and the Empire in order to construct an impressive war machine.
HW2 had that rapid turnover, and since it was so militarized you never really felt like the underdog -- all your ships were polished, professional, and interchangeable, instead of precious and beautiful assets.
+ the AI was a cheating mother****er.
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Right, and part of the fun with HW1 was the feeling that you'd assembled your ragtag fleet from humble beginnings, defying the odds and the Empire in order to construct an impressive war machine.
HW2 had that rapid turnover, and since it was so militarized you never really felt like the underdog -- all your ships were polished, professional, and interchangeable, instead of precious and beautiful assets.
+ the AI was a cheating mother****er.
I think it was over-scripted, HW2 was written using LUA scripting, and they got utterly carried away, which is always a risk when using technologies like that. That's why the AI was so easy to beat in Multiplayer, because it wasn't actually that good, it relied on outnumbering the opponent 4-1 and having a location advantage (admittedly, like most other RTS games with a single-player campaign).
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I think he probably means they way they took the fleet-size difficulty scaling from HW1 and exagerrated it from barely noticeable to game crippling.
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Yup, I was kind of odd at the end of a mission trying to reprocess as many ships as you could so that your fleet was tiny at the start of the next mission, HW1 felt like a story, HW2 felt like a bunch of skirmish games in different locations.
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One thing that always amused me was using cheats to get a ton of resources going into the Balcora Gate mission, and then seeing how many of the 30+ Vaygr battleships I could kill.
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One thing that always amused me was using cheats to get a ton of resources going into the Balcora Gate mission, and then seeing how many of the 30+ Vaygr battleships I could kill.
I like it how everyone always whines and complains about that stuff. AFAIK, when the computer spawns hostile ships for the missions, it doesn't take the ships you captured into account. All you do is capture a few Vgr BCs, and you're set.
Although, you probably wouldn't even need to do that if the guard AI was even remotely decent.
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...er, I wasn't whining or complaining, I thought it was fun!
Although it was irritating that, like in Cataclysm, you couldn't capture over the support limit.
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Yup, I hit that last level of Homeworld 1 with something like 200 captured Ion Frigates ;)
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Ya thats what really sucked about homeworld 2. It was less strategy and more Total Annihilation.
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yeh in HW1 i captured almost every frigate or bigger ship i could get my hands on, eventually my fleet didnt fit on the screen :P could only see it from tac overlay
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Well, if you actually consider how large those crew transports you had to dock with were... there's a whole lot of room.
And as far as the difficulty of HW2 in general, Ryan. Try to retire a good portion of your fleet at the end of the mission before the one you can't beat, and then rebuild it when that mission starts. The game goes by a dynamic difficulty. The better off you are (shipwise, not moneywise) at the end of a mission, the harder the next one will be (again, shipwise). So, if you start a mission with a huge fleet, the enemy will have an indomitable armada.
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Another thing I never got was why are you using the mothership in HW2 at all? Wasn't it's main purpose just to get your people to Hiigara? It's not meant to be a warship so why is it used to fight the Vaygr?
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Um, they built a new one, didn't they?
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...er, I wasn't whining or complaining, I thought it was fun!
Although it was irritating that, like in Cataclysm, you couldn't capture over the support limit.
Sorry :D
I didn't really mean that directly towards you personally, just everyone who addresses that issue as a flaw in the game in general.
On top of my previous statement, it's really not smart to just indiscriminately start building ships. The only times that I build ships purely for the sake of having them is on the missions when you're under pretty much preferment, regular attack.
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I was under the impression the Higaarans rebuilt the mothership simply because it was a known working hyperspace design. Given the state of things in the beginning of the game, they probably didn't have time to design a new hyperspace capable warship, let alone test the design. Given the consequences of failure, a known working, if suboptimal mothership which is capable of creating ships to do it's fighting for it certainly beats out a completely untested warship.
IIRC, homeworld 2 based it's difficulty on the total value of your fleet in RU.
And there's a fan patch out for HW1, that does nothing but change the layout of the parade formation, simply because people captured so many ships that the formation was putting ships completely off the map and crashing the game.
So much you could do in HW1. Besides the grand theft auto, you could get those beautiful missile vettes, and then there was the trick on Sea of Lost Souls that let you get around the fleet build limit.
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For parade formation I just editted the tables so that all the caps ships (at least the frigates) docked with the mothership before jumping.
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I still have a copy of HW 2, but i need to get a CD drive, seems as how my DVD drive isn't cross compatible for some reason :snipe:
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My Homeworld 2 doesn't seem to like the multi-core, I get terrible stuttering, and things like the Point Defence mod grind the game to a halt.
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HW1 was doing that for me. Just set the processor affinity to only one core.
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Ummm, I have a quad core :nervous:
How do i set it to one,......................
I'm a noob :sigh:
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Ummm, I have a quad core :nervous:
How do i set it to one,......................
I'm a noob :sigh:
I suppose it works like with a dual core. Ctrl-Alt-Del, Processes tab, right-click the desired process, select Set Affinity and tick one of the affinities available (usually 1 is a good choice).
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Thinking of which, does FS work on quad core? (Doesn't really apply to me anyway, since i have a dual core)
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There's only one way to find out.
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It works EXCEPTIONALLY it works fine trust :D,
Homeworld 2 is rather "choppy" to say the least....
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Glad I'm not the only one who gets that, it can sometimes take nearly 5-10 seconds per frame :(