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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: ShadowGorrath on July 13, 2008, 04:38:38 am
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So, what faction in the FreeSpace universe do you like the most?
3 votes max per people, write in your post what you choose.
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I picked SOC, GTVA - Vasudans and Other. Cause I really can't see my third vote going anywhere. The Vasudans I like cause they're honorable (more or less), and are competent. Can't say the same for GTVA - Terrans. Or intel, for that matter. SOC because they're the ones who always risk their lives out in secret.
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Well, noone's forcing anyone to choose 3 options. If someone likes only, for example, SOC, then they can choose only the SOC and nothing else :P
EDIT: Oops. Forgot the Shivans. And the Ancients.
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I voted "Other" holding on to that slim ray of hope that there's a competent Command out there.
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You forgot the pirates.
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Pirates... Aren't a faction. Noone cares about them for more than 1 mission in canon. And I honestly HATE the idea that there could be pirates in the FS universe. Well, more pirates than that mission in Silent Threat.
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I chose Shivan and GTI rebels, cause I like conspiracies.
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Pirates... Aren't a faction. Noone cares about them for more than 1 mission in canon. And I honestly HATE the idea that there could be pirates in the FS universe. Well, more pirates than that mission in Silent Threat.
So this is a biased poll? K.
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Pirates... Aren't a faction. Noone cares about them for more than 1 mission in canon. And I honestly HATE the idea that there could be pirates in the FS universe. Well, more pirates than that mission in Silent Threat.
So this is a biased poll? K.
Happy now? :p
Seriously... Pirates in FreeSpace could be taken down in 1 sweep. They have no way to properly recover after an attack. And if they get attacked by the leading superpowers ( GTA, PVN or GTVA ) they're gone. For good.
I choose GTVA- Terrans, Shivans and Ancients.
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I like to think of pirates as not so much criminals as "unauthorized autonomous military organizations".
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I went for SOC and GTI rebels, because I reckon they have the best stories, and other for the Aesir from TI :p
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GTI rebels rule.
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I would most prefer the Ancients.
Dunno why, they died but they still seemed quite cool.
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I would most prefer the Ancients.
Dunno why, they died but they still seemed quite cool.
:wtf:
They wiped out lots of civilisations and you think they're cool?
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SOC and NTF because of 3 missions as pilot in both sides and I like beer... Bosch Beer :D
And both got great stories.
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IMHO this is not an effective poll because you can choose three options... however...
I chose GTA, GTI, and PVN, in that order. All three are infinitely cooler than some pussy GTVA.
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I like Plain GTVA.... the speech of morale values that Bei gives in on of the missions of "Blue Planet - Age of Acuarius" was quite inspiring to me ^^
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I like Plain GTVA.... the speech of morale values that Bei gives in on of the missions of "Blue Planet - Age of Acuarius" was quite inspiring to me ^^
I find it highly ironic that I just started playing Blue Planet.
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I like Plain GTVA.... the speech of morale values that Bei gives in on of the missions of "Blue Planet - Age of Acuarius" was quite inspiring to me ^^
Moral values? Moral values? Do you recall the ending of BP? You call that moral values? The Daleks have more moral values than the GTVA!!
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Come to think of it the GTVA is pretty similar to the Daleks. The intel entry says "BETAC dismantled the governments of the Terran blocs and recognized the General Assembly, the Security Council, and the Vasudan Imperium as the supreme authorities of Terran-Vasudan space." That's more or less stating "THE GTVA IS SUPREME! ALL INFERIOR GOVERNMENTS WILL BE DISMANTLED!! DISMANTLE!! DISMANTLE!!"
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I like Plain GTVA.... the speech of morale values that Bei gives in on of the missions of "Blue Planet - Age of Acuarius" was quite inspiring to me ^^
Moral values? Moral values? Do you recall the ending of BP? You call that moral values? The Daleks have more moral values than the GTVA!!
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Come to think of it the GTVA is pretty similar to the Daleks. The intel entry says "BETAC dismantled the governments of the Terran blocs and recognized the General Assembly, the Security Council, and the Vasudan Imperium as the supreme authorities of Terran-Vasudan space." That's more or less stating "THE GTVA IS SUPREME! ALL INFERIOR GOVERNMENTS WILL BE DISMANTLED!! DISMANTLE!! DISMANTLE!!"
BETAC. Exactly why BP had such an ending. They really did not have another choice. Sol's government was illegal to the GTVA. Oh, and it was High Command's orders, so normal GTVA is all fine.
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... For my sake use spoiler tags, please ? I'm still playing through BP.
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New page. Your eyes are safe.
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I just keep thinking GTVA is the lesser of two evils (My native languaje is spanish so I dont know if I expressed correctly that lesser of two evils part)
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NTF, Shivans, Other
Other being...well, other. Notably S:AH's "evil" EA.
Because I like shooting civies when I get the opportunity to.
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Well you made me use up two votes to express my approval for the GTVA as a whole. :P
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Yar, me mateys! Yo ho ho and a bottle of shiver me timbers!
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You actually chose pirates? Geez... They've got to be the most uninspired bad guys in FreeSpace eva.
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I would have as well, but then, I had to use two votes for the GTVA. :P
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GTVA - Terrans, SOC, Other...
maybe because I'm working much on stories that will be told in my campaign and those will be the playable factions.
And there will be more than 1 "other" in TotT, but I don't want to spoil too much.
Now feel free to speculate, but in the TotT thread, not here plz. :p
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Shivans, NTF, and GTVA- Terrans in that order.
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I really thought you were gonna take the GTI Rebels :p
SOC (kewl operations), Shivans (own everything), GTVA (=other) (owns everything but the Shivans)
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GTVA (=other) (owns everything but the Shivans)
But GTVA was mostly meant to own the Shivans :P
And SOC is in the lead. When in 2367 Snipes starts to browse these Ancient threads and stumbles upon this, I bet it'll really boost morale.
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I really thought you were gonna take the GTI Rebels :p
I said GTVA so that nobody would be suspicions, now my cover is blown!
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New page. Your eyes are safe.
THE GOGGLES! THEY DO SOMETHIGN!!
SOC rocks, just cause they're damn cool. Plus they get all the new toys.
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In order, I voted for the Shivans, Ancients, and SOC.
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SOC's in the lead, I'm not at all surprised.
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SOC rocks, just cause they're damn cool. Plus they get all the new toys.
Yeah they are cool but I wouldn't want to fly for them. Most of their assignements are suicide missions. And they dont even try to pretend something different.
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SOC - Snipes = Pure Win
GTA - Sort of a nostalgia thing, FS1 had a much better atmosphere than FS2, and they were less stupid than GTVA Command. And it makes me think of the Galatea, which was the best ship in the series hands down.
UEF - The UEF from Blue Planet has cool ships, half of the most technologically advanced fleet in existance, and for some reason, they just appeal to me.
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I prefer the FS2 storyline though. FS1 story was good though.
SOC is the elite of the elite. And volunteers. So either you die in your first volunteer assignment, or you stay and be a cool SOC agent.
Well, at least that's what Snipes said about the 99th Skulls.
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Yeah they are cool but I wouldn't want to fly for them. Most of their assignements are suicide missions. And they dont even try to pretend something different.
*shrug* At least they're honest. You don't have to live with being a pawn if the game doesn't make sense.
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Pirates... Aren't a faction. Noone cares about them for more than 1 mission in canon. And I honestly HATE the idea that there could be pirates in the FS universe. Well, more pirates than that mission in Silent Threat.
Where there is a sea space there are pirates.
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Pirates... Aren't a faction. Noone cares about them for more than 1 mission in canon. And I honestly HATE the idea that there could be pirates in the FS universe. Well, more pirates than that mission in Silent Threat.
Where there is a sea space are humans there are pirates.
Fixed.
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My favorite faction - the MacCarthy Faction from that one one mission in FS1. Name is non-canonical but...
:v: should have mad a whole campaign for MacCarthy
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I would most prefer the Ancients.
Dunno why, they died but they still seemed quite cool.
:wtf:
They wiped out lots of civilisations and you think they're cool?
By that statement you are saying the Shivans aren't cool, as well. :p
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I would most prefer the Ancients.
Dunno why, they died but they still seemed quite cool.
:wtf:
They wiped out lots of civilisations and you think they're cool?
By that statement you are saying the Shivans aren't cool, as well. :p
Ancients are cool because we survived only because of them being dead. And their ruins. :P
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I don't remeber saying the Shivans were cool; I just said they were mysterious.
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I don't remeber saying they were cool; I just said they were mysterious.
You disapoint me... We lost another Ancient supporter... :p
I might as well cancel the mod now then.
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Edit my post to clarify my meaning. I don't really respect the Ancients tbh, because they're kinda genocidal ...
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Yeh, it is sorta difficult to respect/admire a civilization that is on a neverending crusade to subdue/conquer any life they come across.
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Yeh, it is sorta difficult to respect/admire a civilization that is on a neverending crusade to subdue/conquer any life they come across.
I admire them for being able to do so. GTVA only build up their defences, rebuild what they lost, and wait patiently until the Shivans come again to destroy them. Maybe crush a few rebelions in the mean time. While the Ancients seem to have been expanding all the time. Until the Shivans came of course.
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So, the GTVA builds up. Both the Terrans and Vasudans expand to a few nearby systems. There is a war between the two species and a few rebellions occur, otherwise things are rather peaceful. The Ancients get arrogant and start pouring in all directions, beating up anything they come across and believing to be a Chosen Race, so to speak. And in both cases, the Shivasn arrive and start to pwn.
So I guess there is little relevance as to which path to choose. Expect that the actions of the Ancients raise a few moral dilemmas.
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So, the GTVA builds up. Both the Terrans and Vasudans expand to a few nearby systems. There is a war between the two species and a few rebellions occur, otherwise things are rather peaceful. The Ancients get arrogant and start pouring in all directions, beating up anything they come across and believing to be a Chosen Race, so to speak. And in both cases, the Shivasn arrive and start to pwn.
So I guess there is little relevance as to which path to choose. Expect that the actions of the Ancients raise a few moral dilemmas.
Moral dilemmas? NTF, HoL, 14 year war, GTI rebelion, etc.
GTVA has around 23 systems. No extraterestrial life, except for Vasudans, Terrans and Shivans.
Ancients had a much larger territory. But it could be just a few species that they found- not a large amount. Who knows, maybe they just killed off the uninteligent species ( like humans do/did kill off entire animal species ), and just conquered inteligent species ( like the Vasudans, FOR EXAMPLE ).
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Moral dilemmas? NTF, HoL, 14 year war, GTI rebelion, etc.
The NTF were idiots under the guidance of Aken Bosch, who in turn had his own ideas regarding an alliance with the Shivans. The HOL were weirdos who believed that it is the correct procedure to allow the Shivans to do their thing. The 14-year war was... well, a ****ing war. They did attempt to establish a peaceful coexistence but the Terrans failed with the Conversation, thus severely insulting the very culture of the Vasudans and provoking them into a war. The GTI rebellion was an attempted coup.
Who knows, maybe they just killed off the uninteligent species ( like humans do/did kill off entire animal species )
Maybe but I still view the Ancients' actions more immoral, since they weren't satisfied with raping their own planet, but devided to start conquering numerous other planets as well.
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Who knows, maybe they just killed off the uninteligent species ( like humans do/did kill off entire animal species )
Maybe but I still view the Ancients' actions more immoral, since they weren't satisfied with raping their own planet, but deCided to start conquering numerous other planets as well.
Who said that they did something bad to their own planet? Afterall, in one of the cutscenes, they said they retreated to their home. They said it so like they were proud of it and all.
And isn't the GTVA doing the same? I mean, they wanted to steal the nebula system from the Shivans ( big mistake, but they did try that ).
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So, the GTVA builds up. Both the Terrans and Vasudans expand to a few nearby systems. There is a war between the two species and a few rebellions occur, otherwise things are rather peaceful. The Ancients get arrogant and start pouring in all directions, beating up anything they come across and believing to be a Chosen Race, so to speak. And in both cases, the Shivasn arrive and start to pwn.
So I guess there is little relevance as to which path to choose. Expect that the actions of the Ancients raise a few moral dilemmas.
Moral dilemmas? NTF, HoL, 14 year war, GTI rebelion, etc.
GTVA has around 23 systems. No extraterestrial life, except for Vasudans, Terrans and Shivans.
Ancients had a much larger territory. But it could be just a few species that they found- not a large amount. Who knows, maybe they just killed off the uninteligent species ( like humans do/did kill off entire animal species ), and just conquered inteligent species ( like the Vasudans, FOR EXAMPLE ).
They said they met "advanced life" and killed it
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They wiped out lots of civilisations and you think they're cool?
By that statement you are saying the Shivans aren't cool, as well. :p
Ancients are cool because we survived only because of them being dead. And their ruins. :P
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Actually technically as far as anyone knows the Shivans only wiped out one species, the Ancients. The Vasudans, were their 2nd attempt but they of course weren't quite successful. Whereas from the Ancient's own words we know they subjugated numerous species, at least some of which had developed spacecraft of their own.
It's entirely possible the Shivans have wiped out thousands of species, but there's no canon evidence of that as far as I know.
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In the last cutscene of FS1, it says that they had wiped out each species as it came along, creating an opening for a new species to develop.
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How "accurate" is the last cutscene of FS1 though. Isn't it told by your "player" character?
I would guess those are assumptions, just like Petrarch's statement about the Shivans being exiles, searching for a way home.
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How "accurate" is the last cutscene of FS1 though. Isn't it told by your "player" character?
I would guess those are assumptions, just like Petrarch's statement about the Shivans being exiles, searching for a way home.
There is that other point in that cutscene as well. The Shivans' ability to rebuild destabilized jump nodes. It has been explicitly implied that the Shivans can use jump nodes that are too unstable for Terran and Vasudan ships. But doing dastardly things to a node that is in a state as poor as the node to Sol... suspicious.
- "All the jump points from Earth are gone. But the Shivans can rebuild them."
- "They can?"
- "Yeah."
- "Well who told you that?"
- "Uh... some bloke. Yeah, he said that the Shivans can really rebuild them."
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How "accurate" is the last cutscene of FS1 though. Isn't it told by your "player" character?
I would guess those are assumptions, just like Petrarch's statement about the Shivans being exiles, searching for a way home.
I think the cutscenes are basically as accurate as they can be. It's certainly not a load of bull****, perhaps it's only half-truths. But Volition, or any storyteller wouldn't end a story with someone talking out their ass. What's the point of that?
I suspect that a lot of whats in the final cutscenes is somewhat accurate, if perhaps a little misinterpreted on the part of the speaker. Don't want to tell the audience exactly what's going on. But rather, I'd want them for example to look back and say "oh yeah, that fits what he said".
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It's :v:, which means it's canon, which means that it's factual in the FS2 universe. Of course it's only speculation, but :v: isn't just going to give you some complete BS at the end of the game.
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GTA and PVN because of the T-V War and one of the original Terran blocs because it would make for an interesting game being able to see Terran history in the making.
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Now the only unloved faction is the HoL :P
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Now the only unloved faction is the HoL :P
Nobody likes religious fanatics. They sometimes say cool things, but that's about it.
And who chose Pirates? They're useless sods.
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1. GTVA - Terrans. Purely because of the officer in command being bossy, and the weapons you get.
2. HOL. maybe pure fanatics, but you got to love their sense of surprise.
3. Shivans. without a doubt a race that is hard to predict.
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So someone finally picked the HoL, huh?
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But I wonder why do people even choose pirates. They can barely put up a single fight and couldn't survive any more.
Besides, there are no pirates in FS1 and FS2. Only in Silent Threat, and only because the GTA and PVN were near colapse.
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Remove pirates, IMO, because they only appear in 1 canon mission. The only reason people are choosing pirates is because of custom campaigns, not because of the ST mission. Remove them, or you may as well add the Ahmose Faction and McCarthy's Traitors.
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Nah. Lobos might start to whine about this being a "rigged" voting. Let them have the pirates... People who aren't blinded by custom campaign non-canon-es won't vote for the pirates.
And Ahmose's and McCarthy's betrayals weren't big enough to be considered a faction.
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Of course I might start to whine, but it does seem that more people whine about the fact that the pirates are on the list. Your poll, your call, jefe.
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So far, I only noticed you and Snail say something about the pirates thing. Snail doesn't want them in. I don't want them in. 3 people voted for the pirates, and Lobo wants them to be in.
So the pirates stay...
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Very well, but my point about people only voting for them because of custom made campaigns still stands. I doubt any of them even played that mission.
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Let the kids have fun being with the pirates.
That is, until they realise that the "pirates" in FreeSpace would probably be so poor, that they'd fly Angels or Apollos during FS2, and be destroyed after every battle.
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Well to be honest I have to disagree about them flying Angels and Apollos during FS2. In that Silent Threat mission, they were utilizing almost up-to-date military hardware, and were executing an actual plan, not a random attack on a random convoy. This is why I don't see pirates as just a horde of random criminals flying out of date ships, but an organized underground faction.
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That get's crushed easily
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Yeah. I think they got eaten alive when the political situation stabilized.
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aww cannibalism :nervous:.
typically pirates in sci-fi are considered high tech, however don't have a clue. i bet if they knew what they where doing, that installion and warhead materials would be with the pirates, making things difficult for the terran or vasudan cruisers to travel safely.
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Well to be honest I have to disagree about them flying Angels and Apollos during FS2. In that Silent Threat mission, they were utilizing almost up-to-date military hardware, and were executing an actual plan, not a random attack on a random convoy. This is why I don't see pirates as just a horde of random criminals flying out of date ships, but an organized underground faction.
The Freespace 2 version of the Exchange?
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Very well, but my point about people only voting for them because of custom made campaigns still stands. I doubt any of them even played that mission.
So what, some guy said "I picked GTVA because they were cool in Blue Planet".
What's the difference between that and choosing pirates? They're both votes based upon custom campaigns.
Pirates for me do one thing, give the player something to shoot at when not in a war. Other people utilize them differently, but how can a person have any sort of peacetime campaign without pirates? After 10 missions of doing nothing but escorting freighters, or doing scanning missions any player is going to get pissed off (assuming the FREDder doesn't kill themselves before that).
And re: the HoL. They may not be a favourite faction but damn are they a ***** to fight. Playing through FS1 again, and really . . . what would you rather fight, Manticores with Heavy Lasers? Or Thoths with Prometheus Cannons. The HoL is ripping me a new one left and right. The rebel scum.
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Manticores with Heavy Lasers. I just like to see them hit 120 m/s and fly in an arc across my screen. :drevil:
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I don't think it's bad to vote for a faction because of a custom campaign. It makes them more interesting and all.
But putting in non-canon factions isn't gonna happen.
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But putting in non-canon factions isn't gonna happen.
Those fall under "Other". :P
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Not voted yet as on my phone. But i'm going for GTI rebels, NTF, and GTA. All because they love Earth and hate Zods.