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Title: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 01, 2008, 04:27:29 pm

Welcome to the Diaspora forum!

Many of you have probably noticed the appearance of a new project badge a couple of days ago, along with a lack of answers and knowing smiles from those sporting them.  Some of you may have even managed to piece together the secret of this new badge.

The secret we've been keeping is called Diaspora.

Diaspora is the name of a new Battlestar Galactica mod created in the FS2_Open engine.  As you may have noticed, many of the people with the new badge are people who were once on the Beyond the Red Line team.  Sadly, the BtRL team split up four months ago, mostly over creative differences (We'll not go into this in any more detail.)  Although BtRL is still under developement, the majority of the team left in order to form Diaspora.

Diaspora is an original project using only assets made by members of the new team, and is based on the space combat seen in the Battlestar Galactica series.  Our main focus is on creating a faithful and exciting representation which will fulfill the wants and needs of all those looking for a great multi-player or single-player experience. 

The team will use its experience and knowledge in many aspects of game design to bring you, the player, the best game possible.  That is our commitment to you.  The Diaspora team consists of many former members of the BtRL team, including myself, Ace, Axem, DaBrain, Lt.Cannonfodder, Meleardil, Newman, Speedy (Mr R), Shiv, Turambar, Unknown Target, Wanderer, Wildcard and WMCoolmon.  In addition, we've added several other members to the team.  Some you'll know from other projects on HLP, while others are newcomers eager to share their experience with us.

I'm sure that some of the fans of BtRL have taken the news of the break up poorly.  However, there's nothing to be upset about.  Indeed, the break up was a set back in many ways, but it also opened up a lot of unexpected doors.  We are confident that we can get our first release out reasonably soon.  Of course, some things will be different from what you've seen already in the BtRL demo, but given the vast experience behind this new mod, it'll be nothing for the fans to worry about.  We'll be delivering many of the things you remember from before, jaw-dropping visuals and the fast paced Viper combat you've come to expect.

The website for the team many work in progress pictures for you to enjoy while you wait for release and is located here (http://www.diaspora-game.com/index.html).

The website and FAQ (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56637.0.html) posted on this forum should answer a lot of the questions about this mod.  Feel free to ask any questions about Diaspora that it doesn't answer. However, we cannot answer any questions about BtRL, as our information about that project is out of date and likely incorrect.

We know this has been a difficult time for some, but we promise that a release is coming soon, and it'll put those dark times out of your mind entirely.

Diaspora:
     1. A dispersion of a people from their original homeland. 
     2. The community formed by such a people.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: colecampbell666 on October 01, 2008, 04:47:44 pm
Wait? The Galactica is going to be a new model? No Omniscaper Galactica? Anywho, should be cool.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 01, 2008, 04:50:17 pm
I know it was something about Battlestar Galactica...what I didn't know is that the BtRL team split up, that's why I wondered if a new BSG mod was necessary.

I said you don't want to post the details of the split, but may I(we all?) know what were those creative differences about? Is BtRL going to lose momentum and delay its release? What is currently happening to BtRL?
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 01, 2008, 04:57:00 pm
I have no idea what is going on with BtRL. Omni seemed confident he could still release without those of us who left and I wish him luck.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 01, 2008, 04:59:08 pm
To be honest I think the BtRL forums on GW are...dying.

Who's in the BtRL team now? Omniscaper and...?

EDIT: The split implied that both sides got all models and textures?
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: WeatherOp on October 01, 2008, 05:11:19 pm
Wow, I knew things looked dead over there, but I didn't know the BTRL team split. Anywho guys, good luck, you also have my permission to use my Blackbird in any way you guys see fit.  ;)
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 01, 2008, 05:17:15 pm
Wait - you modelled a Blackbird? Where is it?!?
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 01, 2008, 05:21:54 pm
We're not going to release it on the forum! :p

It will be in a proper release. You might as well ask where is the Galactica or Pegasus! :p
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 01, 2008, 05:25:09 pm
My mistake, I thought the model was released separately for some reason :wtf:
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: CKid on October 01, 2008, 06:19:03 pm
So is this going to follow the series or or are you guys planning something else? To tell you the truth I am a little speechless right now. I have been following BTRL since 2006, checking for updates almost every day, and then bam! this happens. I guess this answers my question on BTRL forums about ship models on their moddb page going missing, the people who created them switch to Diaspora.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 01, 2008, 06:21:51 pm
I swear I found a few pics of original models on the internet. Something between the Mk II and VII was among them. Maybe it is going to be used in Diaspora?
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 01, 2008, 06:22:11 pm
We'll be doing both canon and non-canon stuff much like the BtRL demo did. Our FREDders are just starting work on the missions for  our first release. More details on that will be coming soon. :)
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Meleardil on October 01, 2008, 06:28:18 pm
I guess this answers my question on BTRL forums about ship models on their moddb page going missing, the people who created them switch to Diaspora.

Some of the pictures which remained on BtRL homepage and ModDB are about models also belonging to Diaspora members...as you will find out soon.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Polpolion on October 01, 2008, 06:29:07 pm
I'd be excited if it weren't for the really annoying introduction.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Droid803 on October 01, 2008, 06:31:21 pm
Why does this mod seem so elitist to me?
Donno...might just be because I got pissed off by the badge-teasing...
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: CKid on October 01, 2008, 06:33:16 pm
I swear I found a few pics of original models on the internet. Something between the Mk II and VII was among them. Maybe it is going to be used in Diaspora?

Yeah, I think it was called the mk5 or something like that.

Some of the pictures which remained on BtRL homepage and ModDB are about models also belonging to Diaspora members...as you will find out soon.

Let me see your cylon rezship.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: blowfish on October 01, 2008, 06:35:32 pm
Why does this mod seem so elitist to me?
Donno...might just be because I got pissed off by the badge-teasing...

Do I seem elite to you? :P
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: BoneMonkey on October 01, 2008, 06:41:50 pm
Why does this mod seem so elitist to me?
Donno...might just be because I got pissed off by the badge-teasing...

isn't it shiny :D
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Polpolion on October 01, 2008, 06:50:43 pm
Just out of curiosity, how'd you guys come up with the name "Diaspora"?  :)
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 01, 2008, 07:24:49 pm
Yeah, I think it was called the mk5 or something like that.

You mean this one?

(http://www.freespacefaq.com/Misc-Pics/MK-IV.jpg)
(http://www.freespacefaq.com/Misc-Pics/MK-IV-b.jpg)
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: CKid on October 01, 2008, 07:38:33 pm
Yeah, I think it was called the mk5 or something like that.

You mean this one?

*Snip


Bingo! That's the one, and it looks like the model has been touched up a bit. Very Nice. :yes:
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Ace on October 01, 2008, 07:39:42 pm
Yeah, I think it was called the mk5 or something like that.

Viper MKIV. She's alive and well as Karajorma has shown.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: IceFire on October 01, 2008, 07:42:09 pm
It looks like a really good halfway point between the two ships.  I assume its fan created?  Whats the specs? How does it compare to the Mark II and VII?
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 01, 2008, 07:44:57 pm
That's not fully decided yet. We're not certain if she'll be in Release 1 yet either (depends on what we have finished and there are quite a few ships higher in priority than that one).
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Turambar on October 01, 2008, 08:16:51 pm
good to see my baby still being chucked around :-)
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Goober5000 on October 01, 2008, 08:27:40 pm
good to see my baby still being chucked around :-)

> throw baby
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Rodo on October 01, 2008, 09:25:40 pm
Look at that, I had no idea Btrl was splitting up.. shame, I donwloaded the demo like 3 weeks ago and I was thrilled while playing it, specially because of the details in the Voice Acting, very nice... indeed.. anyway, hope you guys get this proyect to be one of the best ever, Im sure everyone around will keep an eye on this one ^^
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: General Battuta on October 01, 2008, 11:43:51 pm
Yeah, you guys will be retaining the same voice acting technique, I hope? Because it was brilliant.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 02, 2008, 12:23:19 am
Who was the Woman that played (forgot her name :lol: ) did you get retention of her?
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: BlackDove on October 02, 2008, 12:27:12 am
I hope you did and then summarily executed her on the spot.

New voice actors plox.

I like the name though. It's so..... cheesy and forceful to be appropriate to the situation.

At any rate, hope you guys do something good and worth playing. Good lucks.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Adalla on October 02, 2008, 01:12:34 am
I truly hope that Diaspora represents all that which BtRL SHOULD have been. BtRL will long be remembered by people such as myself as the finest example of how no matter what you do, no matter how great it might be, if the people making itare human beings of poor character that deserve no respect, ultimately it will be the downfall of them all. This is especially true for things such as amateur fan-made game mods, which depend a lot on fan support.

I will finally fly in peace knowing that the Galactica that I am launching from or landing on is not made my Omniscraper.

I also hope that this place does not ever make the mistakes that BtRL did, disrespecting fans like no other dev team, and having a more relaxed and friendly relationship with the fans. Additionally, I hope that there is as little drama and as much productivity and enthusiasm and support as possible.

It is good to be able to visit the Dev's forums once again, as BtRL's forums were long abandoned by pretty much most fans who had any self-respect, including myself.

I wish good luck to Diaspora, and on behalf of the 9th Battlestar Group as well as bsgpilots.com, we fully support you (for the time being ;))

Keep up the great work and thanx for saving BSG gaming!

Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Lt.Cannonfodder on October 02, 2008, 01:25:43 am
Why does this mod seem so elitist to me?
Donno...might just be because I got pissed off by the badge-teasing...
We have people from the advertising industry with us. What do you expect?  ;)

Just out of curiosity, how'd you guys come up with the name "Diaspora"?  :)
It wasn't easy for sure. It's hard to come up with a name that refers to the show somehow, is short and easy to remember, is not taken etc. The vote between the final two candidates actually took place just a few days ago.

Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 02, 2008, 02:58:50 am
I'm one of the few who're able to spell the word Diaspora correctly! :D
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Darius on October 02, 2008, 05:48:41 am
I think the spirit under which Diaspora is being designed is wonderful. Here's to keeping these high spirits and the continuing love you have for the mod going for as long as possible.  :yes:
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mr. R on October 02, 2008, 06:09:46 am
I think the spirit under which Diaspora is being designed is wonderful. Here's to keeping these high spirits and the continuing love you have for the mod going for as long as possible.  :yes:

<3
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Lt.Cannonfodder on October 02, 2008, 06:12:24 am
Spirits? Yes, much alcohol consumption was required to bring you this product.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: General Battuta on October 02, 2008, 09:09:06 am
I'm one of the few who're able to spell the word Diaspora correctly! :D

No.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Stormkeeper on October 02, 2008, 09:13:58 am
Spirits? Yes, much alcohol consumption was required to bring you this product.
:lol:

Was and still is you mean.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: BlackDove on October 02, 2008, 09:37:00 am
It wasn't easy for sure. It's hard to come up with a name that refers to the show somehow, is short and easy to remember, is not taken etc. The vote between the final two candidates actually took place just a few days ago.

Ten to one if you gave us access to the internal thread, the only reason it was taken was because you all got a hard on for the synonym relating to how you all left BtrL.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 02, 2008, 09:40:39 am
You only say that cause you didn't see the alternatives that were mentioned for the last 4 months. :blah: :p
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: BlackDove on October 02, 2008, 09:42:28 am
Well yeah, I'd assume at least one of the project names was "**** BTRL".

Although, if I had the choice, I'd go for that one over Diaspora. At least it's not pretending to be something it isn't. I like honesty and truth.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Stormkeeper on October 02, 2008, 09:42:41 am
Beyond the Blue Line? Beyond the Green Line? Or 'Really Really Far Beyond the Red Line'?
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 02, 2008, 09:56:15 am
I'll admit that all those were suggested (in jest) at one point. :p
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Meleardil on October 02, 2008, 09:58:07 am
Not to mention "Beyond the DeadLine" and its cousins...
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Stormkeeper on October 02, 2008, 09:59:15 am
Heh. I thought so. It's just like people suggesting S.E.A.R or T.E.A.R for the name of F.E.A.R 2.

Not to mention "Beyond the DeadLine" and its cousins...
:lol:


You think you could post all the names suggested in jest? I'm mildly curious as to what you guys managed to come up with.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Shade on October 02, 2008, 10:03:54 am
No. Too embaressing.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Stormkeeper on October 02, 2008, 10:05:05 am
Awww. Oh well.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Shade on October 02, 2008, 10:05:47 am
We need to retain *some* dignity. Cope :p
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Stormkeeper on October 02, 2008, 10:10:16 am
I suppose so. I guess no one will respect you if they knew you came up with names like "Beyond the Dead Line Swarming With More Enemies than My Backyard Has Blades of Grass"*Adds question to list of things to ask Diaspora members in the future*
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Vasudan Commander on October 02, 2008, 10:18:01 am
Never having watched Battlestar Galactica before but only knowing the bone background of it, i do however like the look of the ships and the weaponry used.

Look forward to seeing the end result  :D
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 02, 2008, 10:20:21 am
http://www.moddb.com/games/diaspora

ModDB page is up. There are a few images on there which aren't on the website yet. :)
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: BlackDove on October 02, 2008, 10:39:46 am
We need to retain *some* dignity. Cope :p

Oh come on now. It's not like you had any to begin with XD
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Adalla on October 02, 2008, 12:21:44 pm
Quote from: Darius
I think the spirit under which Diaspora is being designed is wonderful. Here's to keeping these high spirits and the continuing love you have for the mod going for as long as possible. 

SO SAY WE ALL!

;)

Quote from: Vesudan Commander
Never having watched Battlestar Galactica before

BLASPHEMY! SEND THAT MAN TO THE BRIG...NOW! NO FOOD, LITTLE WATER AND PLENTY OF BATTLESTAR GALACTICA DVDS!

:P
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: MetalDestroyer on October 02, 2008, 12:40:22 pm
There is question I want to know. What is the meaning of Diaspora and will be include 3D Cockpit with Track IR support ?
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Jeff Vader on October 02, 2008, 12:44:15 pm
There is question I want to know. What is the meaning of Diaspora
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56783.0.html
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 02, 2008, 12:55:16 pm
I should probably add that second question to the FAQ cause it will be asked a lot.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Wildcard on October 02, 2008, 01:38:36 pm
Wow, I knew things looked dead over there, but I didn't know the BTRL team split. Anywho guys, good luck, you also have my permission to use my Blackbird in any way you guys see fit.  ;)

Heya!  Glad to hear from you :D  I'd been hanging onto the mesh since we weren't sure about it, but rest assured you'll see it in game!
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 02, 2008, 02:29:07 pm
Diaspora is a well known name due to the fact that it's widely used with Jews. :nod:

About one of the possible name candidates..."Beyond Sumber Six's Clothes" was in the list? :lol:
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: shiv on October 02, 2008, 02:33:01 pm
Diaspora is a well known name due to the fact that it's widely used with Jews. :nod:

About one of the possible name candidates..."Beyond Sumber Six's Clothes" was in the list? :lol:

I want to see beyond Tricia's Clothes :D
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 02, 2008, 02:39:36 pm
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=YatjlSJNRHM

Tigh's part is fantastic :lol:
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 02, 2008, 02:41:29 pm
Congratulations on scaring off the female voice talent. You should both be ashamed of yourselves. :p

Seriously though, try to avoid sounding like horny 12 year olds.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Topgun on October 02, 2008, 03:05:18 pm
dude, this the internet, what do expect?
anyway, good luck may the force be with you...
yes, I am.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Rodo on October 02, 2008, 04:55:18 pm
the sun effect looks great... is something included in the Media 3.6.10 vps? because I dont see it like that.

http://www.diaspora-game.com/images/screens/screen_005.jpg
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Aardwolf on October 02, 2008, 05:03:00 pm
The new mediavps do that... but how can we even be sure it's a sun and not an explosion (like a nuke or something)? And I don't think diaspora is going to rely on the mediavps, so... yeah.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 02, 2008, 05:32:21 pm
That could easily be a media VP sun since at the moment Diaspora has to be run on an FS2 install as we don't have all the interface files we need. This will of course change before release.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Lt.Cannonfodder on October 02, 2008, 10:24:41 pm
It's one of the suns I made some time ago. Not found in mediavps.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Al Tarket on October 03, 2008, 02:14:19 am
this is my opinion so take it or leave it.

what kind of name is diaspora? to me it just sounds like rubbish. that opinion out the way.

could you say what these non-canon ships are? i would wonder if it's always going to be mk7's and mk2's along with a couple of raptors in a fight with many cylon raiders and a few heavy raiders. not really dynamic.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: blowfish on October 03, 2008, 02:23:46 am
I'm gonna leave it :doubt:

Regarding non-canon ships, we will have some that you can fly, but I won't say what they are just yet ;)
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Aardwolf on October 03, 2008, 05:09:34 am
what kind of name is diaspora? to me it just sounds like rubbish. that opinion out the way.

It's a word. Look it up (or read the FAQ). And it fits the backstory of the BSG universe quite nicely.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Echelon9 on October 03, 2008, 05:10:35 am
I think it works really well, and has that association with a large part of the message BSG contains.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Stormkeeper on October 03, 2008, 07:18:57 am
I'm gonna leave it :doubt:

Regarding non-canon ships, we will have some that you can fly, but I won't say what they are just yet ;)
A Loki!
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Rodo on October 03, 2008, 07:32:29 am
A loki yeaahh!
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: General Battuta on October 03, 2008, 09:38:18 am
You should totally put an FS2 ship in as an easter egg.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: LuaPineapple on October 03, 2008, 10:46:39 am
Beyond the Blue Line? Beyond the Green Line? Or 'Really Really Far Beyond the Red Line'?
I suggested "In front of the Red Line", wasn't too popular.  :blah:
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 03, 2008, 10:51:59 am
this is my opinion so take it or leave it.

what kind of name is diaspora? to me it just sounds like rubbish. that opinion out the way.

could you say what these non-canon ships are? i would wonder if it's always going to be mk7's and mk2's along with a couple of raptors in a fight with many cylon raiders and a few heavy raiders. not really dynamic.

*PLEASE NOTE THAT I'M NOT RACIST*

You don't know the name Diaspora? You're from Israel and that name has been widely used to designate your people's forced movements in the past few centuries...
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Adalla on October 03, 2008, 03:45:24 pm
Quote from: Al Tarket
this is my opinion so take it or leave it.

what kind of name is diaspora? to me it just sounds like rubbish. that opinion out the way.

That is certainly a very poor reason for you not liking the name. "sounds like rubbish"? How about giving a real reason.

As for my own opinion, Diaspora first of all sounds VERY cool. Secondly, it is an smart name that actually has meaning and requires some level of intelligence for people to research what the word means, and teaches a new word for those who dont know it. Additionally, it is very fitting for the Battlestar Galactica story (and the Devs backstory) Last but not least, it is a catchy name, easy to remember and great for marketing and promotion as it is pretty unique.

Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 03, 2008, 04:17:22 pm
I agree :yes:
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Rodo on October 03, 2008, 09:37:41 pm
It's one of the suns I made some time ago. Not found in mediavps.

really? well it looks awesome ^^, if added to media vps It should make the game more special, having tho different kind of effects for suns would make freespace more diverse, are you going to release that one?
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Titan on October 05, 2008, 08:49:46 am
to be honest, i've never really even noticed much Sci-Fi stuff besides SW and FS, but the few screenshots scattered on this board really make me wanna watch the show now.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 05, 2008, 10:00:51 am
to be honest, i've never really even noticed much Sci-Fi stuff besides SW and FS, but the few screenshots scattered on this board really make me wanna watch the show now.

I recommend it...

Then criticize colecampbell666's list of Canadians on his sig... :P
He isn't the one calling it racist.

Race(which doesn't exist) and nationality are two separate things. I "might" be nationalist but I'm not a racist.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: General Battuta on October 05, 2008, 10:25:09 am
to be honest, i've never really even noticed much Sci-Fi stuff besides SW and FS, but the few screenshots scattered on this board really make me wanna watch the show now.

It's the best piece of SF television I've ever seen.

It's also been one of the best shows on television since it began, easily outstripping Lost and taking a place alongside The Wire and The Sopranos as outstanding dramatic television.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 05, 2008, 10:36:09 am
I really liked an interview of the creators, when they said that their purpose is to create a plausible sci-fi series without exaggerated stuff. In BSG people use phones and open doors manually...

When I look back and think of Stargate I wonder if that's sci-fi or fantasy.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Jeff Vader on October 05, 2008, 10:41:18 am
In BSG people use phones and open doors manually...

When I look back and think of Stargate I wonder if that's sci-fi or fantasy.[/shadow][/i][/color]
Well, they've opened Stargates manually. And they use phones.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 05, 2008, 10:48:40 am
Space battles and certain species aren't realistic...

The Cylons were created by mankind and there are no alien species in BSG, this makes it a lot more plausible although the concept of fighting robots created by man isn't original.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: General Battuta on October 05, 2008, 03:46:37 pm
Of course, there is some noticeable supernatural stuff going on. Maybe.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 05, 2008, 03:53:23 pm
There's a lot of "magic" in Stargate...
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: General Battuta on October 05, 2008, 04:24:07 pm
Yes.

And BSG does take the laudable step of keeping any supernatural elements ambiguous and firmly behind-the-curtain. There are no ascended Ancients floating around and glowing, as there are in Stargate.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: a50callovenote on October 06, 2008, 09:44:18 pm
wow this was unexpected... Its good to see a FS BSG project up and rollin again. eh as some great blue suit dude once said: "sometimes you have to roll the hard six."
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Wanderer on October 07, 2008, 12:20:43 am
Yes.

And BSG does take the laudable step of keeping any supernatural elements ambiguous and firmly behind-the-curtain. There are no ascended Ancients floating around and glowing, as there are in Stargate.
Well... yeah.. except for the big blue glowy things... or have you seen the old BattleStar Galactica? Though they might not make an appearance in the reimagined series...
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: General Battuta on October 07, 2008, 12:23:34 am
Yeah, that's the old one.

We'll see if they manage to stay out of the new one. I hope so.
Spoiler:
Though there certainly seem to be supernatural powers at work on Kara towards the end of season 3/early season 4.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: aRaven on October 07, 2008, 08:38:49 am
And there might be a chance to see Number Six naked!


...and Colonel Tigh also.

 ^^
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Vidmaster on October 07, 2008, 11:38:28 am
I hate Letterman.

@Dispora team guys:
Maybe I missed something, but who is your music composer? BtrL's music was great, (MaX the demi-god), what are you planning? I don't read (I assume) his name on the team list.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 07, 2008, 11:54:52 am
Quote
Flipside

Does musics.

:p
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: a50callovenote on October 07, 2008, 03:11:17 pm
I was thinkin of a way to beef up briefings and wondering if you could actually put in video. I just finished watching the scar ep and noticed vid feeds from the vipers actually do help on tactics. not saying it has to be recorded in real-time during missions, but between mission learning brief...pre-rendered vid. this way you actually get the experience of nugget training instead of flyin out, gettin killed and wondering why. no download city for a viper jock!
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: colecampbell666 on October 07, 2008, 04:32:46 pm
You can make animations for briefings, yes.

Sigh, here comes a flood of newbs and n00bs.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: IceFire on October 07, 2008, 04:54:29 pm
Its a legitimate question...briefings are animated through moving icons and the sizing on the grid.  There's also Command Briefings which do have room for animations/videos.  I don't think you can put video in a Briefing...Command briefing yes but the regular briefings I don't think so...unless SCP added something recently.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: colecampbell666 on October 07, 2008, 05:00:12 pm
Oh I know that, but look at what happened to GW after BtRL was formed. Endless flood of pop-culture n00bs solely interested in BtRL/BSG. There will be overspill, but I guess it'll have to happen.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: a50callovenote on October 07, 2008, 05:49:24 pm
Oh I know that, but look at what happened to GW after BtRL was formed. Endless flood of pop-culture n00bs solely interested in BtRL/BSG. There will be overspill, but I guess it'll have to happen.
oh im sorry. I thought this was a place where people interested in the mod could talk and freely voice their interest. I guess I've got the wrong place. I understand many on these boards are FS gurus who have made fs open their own. this is awesome and honestly I'm happy to see such a community as this. But when you start grilling some one for asking an honest question, you have to ask: what if someone did the same to you? Cause what would you know if someone didnt tell you truths?

Its a legitimate question...briefings are animated through moving icons and the sizing on the grid.  There's also Command Briefings which do have room for animations/videos.  I don't think you can put video in a Briefing...Command briefing yes but the regular briefings I don't think so...unless SCP added something recently.

thank you. I was more or less wondering if it might be a feature.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 07, 2008, 05:57:58 pm
oh im sorry. I thought this was a place where people interested in the mod could talk and freely voice their interest.

It is.

I'm going to assume that colecampbell666 wasn't having a go at you for asking a simple question and was speaking in general.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: a50callovenote on October 07, 2008, 06:01:10 pm
understood. I hope that some take it easy on "noobs." they can help keep mods alive.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: IceFire on October 07, 2008, 06:48:06 pm
We welcome new members to the community all the time.  HLP is an open community and I'd like to think we do a pretty good job most of the time welcoming new members.  We expect that they follow the rules and respect other members of the community and hope that you enjoy your time here.

Someone will no doubt be along to fire up a welcome beam sometime :) (you'll know it when you see it)
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: a50callovenote on October 07, 2008, 10:00:31 pm
Thanks my brotha! and thanks for the reception. I love the work you guys do and I'n'I knows this project has a modDB award in its future...still those viper gun cams would be sweet. had to touch on it again...
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Lt.Cannonfodder on October 07, 2008, 10:10:06 pm
I was thinkin of a way to beef up briefings and wondering if you could actually put in video. I just finished watching the scar ep and noticed vid feeds from the vipers actually do help on tactics. not saying it has to be recorded in real-time during missions, but between mission learning brief...pre-rendered vid. this way you actually get the experience of nugget training instead of flyin out, gettin killed and wondering why. no download city for a viper jock!
While such videos in command briefings would be very cool to have, I have doubts if we have the time to make them. I'd rather be doing full cutscenes than videos played in a small window with a horrible .ani format.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Flipside on October 08, 2008, 03:01:04 pm
I'm actually quite looking forward to discussions on the series, it's a pity I joined the whole B5 craze so late because I never really got to add my opinions at the stage they were relevant at, so, yes, by all means, feel free to discuss the show, it'd be kind of odd for a Mod involving BSG not to promote discussion about the series in general.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: IceFire on October 08, 2008, 04:14:41 pm
I was thinkin of a way to beef up briefings and wondering if you could actually put in video. I just finished watching the scar ep and noticed vid feeds from the vipers actually do help on tactics. not saying it has to be recorded in real-time during missions, but between mission learning brief...pre-rendered vid. this way you actually get the experience of nugget training instead of flyin out, gettin killed and wondering why. no download city for a viper jock!
While such videos in command briefings would be very cool to have, I have doubts if we have the time to make them. I'd rather be doing full cutscenes than videos played in a small window with a horrible .ani format.
I had thought that it was already possible to run DivX or some other video format in the CB Animation window.  I could be wrong on this but I thought that it was now possible.  In which case...use something to capture a firing sequence, use a video editor to make it look all gun camera like and voila! :)

Something fans could do later on for sure.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: colecampbell666 on October 08, 2008, 08:35:29 pm
@a50: No offense was meant to you, and :welcomesilver:, if you've seen the BtRL board you know what I mean.

And also, I believe someone is working on coding some kind of video code for CBs. I think it may have been blowfish.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: IceFire on October 08, 2008, 08:52:55 pm
Now you see it :D
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: a50callovenote on October 09, 2008, 12:10:58 am
@a50: No offense was meant to you, and :welcomesilver:, if you've seen the BtRL board you know what I mean.

And also, I believe someone is working on coding some kind of video code for CBs. I think it may have been blowfish.
hey thanks my brotha!  :) another one of the reasons why I pointed out a video learning briefing might be good, is because it is a big part of the show...in terms of piloting. Could serve as a way on how to work with your wingmen, AI or online. So when starbuck tells you: "come on, they drilled this into you!" you know what she means. plus it could be eh... skipable 
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: General Battuta on October 09, 2008, 12:27:31 am
Freespace has excellent in-mission training capabilities, though.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: a50callovenote on October 09, 2008, 01:53:12 pm
this is true, and they do have the sims. but a briefing like this could also be used to help drive the story forward. say you hear a comment hotdog made... fight breaks out. later on this has an effect on him, causing him to make reckless actions in the fight. it could be a beautiful thing along with that good ol' instruction from the CAG.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Kyle_K_ski on October 16, 2008, 09:43:35 pm
I'm still in shock at BtRL's split and the fact that it's given birth to this beautiful endeavor.  I really appreciate all of the screenshots.

My wife doesn't, however.  It seems my saliva's causing her fingers to stick to the keypad.

 ;)
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Shade on October 17, 2008, 09:09:27 am
You'll get over the shock soon enough once you get to play the game :D
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: MR_T3D on October 17, 2008, 02:38:57 pm
or yoiur shock willl be too great to concieve!
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 17, 2008, 02:56:52 pm
Someone will no doubt be along to fire up a welcome beam sometime :) (you'll know it when you see it)

My current count is 117 Welcomed Newbies ;7
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: IceFire on October 17, 2008, 07:22:50 pm
Someone will no doubt be along to fire up a welcome beam sometime :) (you'll know it when you see it)

My current count is 117 Welcomed Newbies ;7
Excellent!  I'm sure there will be a 118 before too long :D
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Angreifer on October 17, 2008, 10:06:53 pm
Ok, so I just now found out about Diaspora. I have to say, I've been quite confused over the past months over the lack of activity over at BTRL; I guess I missed the memo about the split. But at least I'm here now, and I've got to say I'm very excited to see the work you guys are doing. You've given me renewed hope I'll get to jump into the rendered cockpit of a Viper.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Stormkeeper on October 18, 2008, 08:30:08 am
On a slightly related note, I've been seeing/hearing the word 'diaspora' everywhere these few days ...
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 19, 2008, 05:40:28 am
Ok, so I just now found out about Diaspora. I have to say, I've been quite confused over the past months over the lack of activity over at BTRL; I guess I missed the memo about the split. But at least I'm here now, and I've got to say I'm very excited to see the work you guys are doing. You've given me renewed hope I'll get to jump into the rendered cockpit of a Viper.

Welcome to the HLPBB!!! :D

On a slightly related note, I've been seeing/hearing the word 'diaspora' everywhere these few days ...

I don't think so. You're surely seen it before but you didn't know it would have been so important in a FSO/BSG contest... :D

EDIT: There was a Diaspora play at my Uni's theater last week. :)
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Stormkeeper on October 19, 2008, 06:29:17 am
Someone once told me that when something happens to you, or you see something happen, you notice it a lot more in the world around you. I guess this is just one those cases.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 19, 2008, 06:40:40 am
It happens with names, too. Thanks to FS I'm paying more attention of RPG names. I found many "Rakshasa", "Ravana", etc. etc.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: maya on October 19, 2008, 08:18:58 pm
Just wanted to say hi, and put my penny in.

Looking forward to playing this, the screenies look great and its active here which is fantastic.
Ive been browsing these forums for 8 hours now and just wanted to say,
Keep it up  :yes:
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: BoneMonkey on October 19, 2008, 08:22:53 pm
I spot a /b/tard :D
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: maya on October 19, 2008, 08:30:33 pm
Seriously :doubt:, if you want to go and spend your time there then your broke.
Me i just mine in EvE online and browse the webz.  :D
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Angreifer on October 19, 2008, 08:49:14 pm
Seriously :doubt:, if you want to go and spend your time there then your broke.
Me i just mine in EvE online and browse the webz.  :D

Ah, EVE...I played up until they announced removing ghost training. Talk about bad customer service.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: maya on October 19, 2008, 09:04:30 pm
Yeah thats one of the most recent announcments within the last week actually.
Pissed alot of people off.

One good thing is they may actually play now rather than just logging in to swap skills.
100k accounts and ive only seen it peak at about 40k.
Lots of alts though.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: BoneMonkey on October 19, 2008, 09:18:33 pm
nah Im not an Anon Im all about the Goons baby.

Also I think they should rename Eve Exel-online, dear god that game bored the **** out of me, the fiction is pretty good though.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: TESLA on October 26, 2008, 08:25:45 am
So alot has changed. mmmmm

Seems like a divorce to me, lol  :D



One quick Q are you going to wait until the show is finished to release capital ships or are you going to release updates as time goes on?
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 26, 2008, 08:43:03 am
Given that the show will end in March or April that's basically the same as telling you if our intended release date is before that. :p

What I will say is that R1 will definitely include a Cylon Basestar and a Colonial Battlestar. More details on R1 are here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56784.msg1147506.html#msg1147506).
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Fish on October 26, 2008, 11:41:18 am
As a patient and wide-eyed follower of BtRL for a few years, I'm just as excited to see where this mod is heading as when I first stumbled upon that Game Warden forum so long ago :D

So rather than clutter up the place with inane newbishness, I'll just quietly keep an eye on the progress, and only make loud noises when you have a release to promote :p

Good luck to you all on the new endeavour!
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 26, 2008, 12:11:56 pm
So alot has changed. mmmmm

Seems like a divorce to me, lol  :D

:welcomesilver:

Hi there, Tesla! I wondered when you'd get here! :)
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: tikey on October 27, 2008, 10:31:17 am
So, are you finally going to put the feature that allows us to jump out of the cockpit and punt a cylon raider in the eye and then ride it like a cowboy while weaving our cowboy hat?
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: BoneMonkey on October 27, 2008, 12:55:40 pm
So, are you finally going to put the feature that allows us to jump out of the cockpit and punt a cylon raider in the eye and then ride it like a cowboy while weaving our cowboy hat?

This feature is already in beta.... on you mum!
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: tikey on October 27, 2008, 01:39:26 pm
So, are you finally going to put the feature that allows us to jump out of the cockpit and punt a cylon raider in the eye and then ride it like a cowboy while weaving our cowboy hat?

This feature is already in beta.... on you mum!

my mum is dead :(
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 27, 2008, 01:55:36 pm
This is one of the events that should NEVER occur. :(
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 27, 2008, 02:02:48 pm
Okay guys, lets can the spam please.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: a50callovenote on October 27, 2008, 11:10:45 pm
ight so will it be possible to manually target missiles? not talkin about nukes, the ones you usually need countermeasures for? 
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: General Battuta on October 27, 2008, 11:22:29 pm
Guessing no.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 28, 2008, 02:14:56 am
so will it be possible to manually target missiles? not talkin about nukes, the ones you usually need countermeasures for?

Possibly.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: KewlToyZ on October 28, 2008, 10:05:38 am
Any chance you guys would consider my MkV & work on a StealtStar I plan on finishing next week?
http://www.kewltoyz.com/GameShots.shtm
?
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: FraktuRe on October 28, 2008, 10:50:16 pm
Hey kewltoyz your ship is looking a lot better since I last saw it, You're progressing well. Though I'm not sure if it's bsgish enough?

Also I'd hazard a guess the stealthstar may already have been modelled?
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: TESLA on October 29, 2008, 09:05:08 am
Will there be nukes ingame?

Cause they do seem to play a very large part in the BSG universe

Cylons are abit nuke happy  :drevil:
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Shade on October 29, 2008, 09:07:49 am
Yep. Check out the image in This Post (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56937.msg1156013.html#msg1156013) by LtCannonFodder - The big green bomb-like warhead seen 2nd from the right is a colonial nuke. Cylons, of course, will have their own.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: TESLA on October 29, 2008, 09:08:21 am
So alot has changed. mmmmm

Seems like a divorce to me, lol  :D

:welcomesilver:

Hi there, Tesla! I wondered when you'd get here! :)


Ah you know me,

I get here when I get here......

Quick Q, is there a shoutbox here??  ;7  :lol:  :drevil:
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: TESLA on October 29, 2008, 09:09:10 am
Yep. Check out the image in This Post (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56937.msg1156013.html#msg1156013) by LtCannonFodder - The big green bomb-like warhead seen 2nd from the right is a colonial nuke. Cylons, of course, will have their own.

As Mr.Burns would say "excellent"
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Shade on October 29, 2008, 09:11:20 am
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Quick Q, is there a shoutbox here?
Nope, no spambox in these parts.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: TESLA on October 29, 2008, 09:17:01 am
Quote
Quick Q, is there a shoutbox here?
Nope, no spambox in these parts.

For shame!!

How are people like Snail going to express themselves  :lol:
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Jeff Vader on October 29, 2008, 09:21:49 am
Quote
Quick Q, is there a shoutbox here?
Nope, no spambox in these parts.

For shame!!

How are people like Snail going to express themselves  :lol:
Simple. By excrementing countless posts in short periods of time.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: KewlToyZ on October 29, 2008, 12:31:53 pm
Hey kewltoyz your ship is looking a lot better since I last saw it, You're progressing well. Though I'm not sure if it's bsgish enough?

Also I'd hazard a guess the stealthstar may already have been modelled?

Thanks  ;) Was my first finished pof, took me a bit to figure out the work process using Rhino & 3D Explorer.
I wanted to do something with at least a little creative license to it and test out the tbl systems to have some fun.
I was trying to figure out how to make engines actually have an extended flame for afterburners and came up with my solution using the contrails in an odd fashion. Also I wanted to make an unlimmited ammo weapon without it being too formidable for single player mode to just have fun and explore possibilities with. Another item I was fiddling with was top speeds and afterburners for outrunning missiles.

On the StealthStar, I looked around but I haven't seen one yet.
I was doing it since I had not seen one and figured most would get a kick out of seeing it.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: KewlToyZ on October 30, 2008, 08:34:59 am
:Moved from the Join Team Thread to prevent spamming irritations there of

Kara, are you guys planning on actual planet bodies or just making the reference point of where one appears on the environment map act like a planetary body with regards of the gravity points?
The only reason I asked was the curiosity of modeling a planet or possibly a moon as depicted by the Cylon Tyllium refinery base.
Not sure just how badly it would affect performance for such a massive polygon.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 30, 2008, 09:28:21 am
The size of a polygon has little impact on performance. What causes problems is the number.

As for whether or not we do it. Not decided yet.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Herra Tohtori on October 30, 2008, 09:33:57 am
The size of a polygon has little impact on performance. What causes problems is the number.

As for whether or not we do it. Not decided yet.


Distances on true planetary scale do make FS2_Open have problems, though. Things start flickering and stuff. At least, the last time I tried such things, that happened. This was with the re-newed Cardinal Spear stuff, though, so it might or might not apply to present builds... :nervous:
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Enki on October 30, 2008, 09:51:42 am
Planetary distances will cause all kinds of problems with graphics tears due to single precision floating point number limitations.  Beyond certain orbits even that will start to have problems.  There is a good dissertation by an Aussie, Chris Thorne, on exactly this problem and some solutions such as local rendering origins rather than a single global origin.  I don't have any idea how hard any of that would be to update in the FS_Open engine, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be trivial.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: KewlToyZ on October 30, 2008, 10:00:08 am
MOI precision may come into play as well.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: karajorma on October 30, 2008, 10:32:44 am
Yep. I'm well aware of the float problem but for anything large but not huge it might be worth trying (Think Death Star rather than Earth).

Either way it's not exactly something urgent.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: KewlToyZ on October 30, 2008, 10:55:50 am
Thanks Kara  ;)
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 30, 2008, 12:55:09 pm
Uhm, I wonder if there's a way to represent the blood coming out from killed Cylon Raiders(if the explosion isn't too big)...
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Enki on October 30, 2008, 01:23:12 pm
Baby red "asteroids" or particle effects would do. Probably needs to have pretty severe LOD cutoffs though and low priority on the todo list--cool but not necessary for a roaring good time.
Title: Re: Diaspora
Post by: Mobius on October 30, 2008, 01:29:13 pm
In addition the particle's coords should perfectly math the Cylon brain's ones.