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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Colonol Dekker on December 04, 2008, 07:48:41 pm
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Right guys, rare as it is for me to start a topic outside of GD, i thought this would be a refreshing change of pace from where's Bosch and Earth Comms etc.
From the fall of Vasuda command.ani you can id a few Zod fighters. Also the Banshee tech description mentions "when fired in atmosphere". So what fighter do you suppose they tested it on, if at all? :) any other cannon evidence i may have missed apart from the obvious Hermes?
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Transports are shown to work interatmosphere. If you can get the brick that is the Satis to fly, pretty much everything is up for grabs.
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:lol: Yeah my oops. I forgot about that one. I can't remember which craft are mentioned in the deleted scenes in the FSref bible, you know the one. In the GTD repulses bar, when the Earth official signs the cease fire with the Vasudans.
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If Terran and Vasudan ships have managed to implement some sort of artificial gravity system, it doesn't seem all that far-fetched that they've also managed to flip them around and create some sort of Star-Wars-esque repulsorlift technology.
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According to the 'Bible of FreeSpace' all fighters and bombers are capable of atmospheric flight. Which means they can fly in atmosphere.
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Well, the Perseus, Peagasus, Ulysses and Aeres all cetainly look aerodynamic.
But there is no way in hell that the Ursa is Atmosphere capable. Let me put it this way - the contents of a furnature store stand a better chance of atmospheric flight than the Ursa, which is LESS aerodynamic than a cow.
Now the shivans...I doubt it, but it is possible...based on what i know had to be cut from FS2 during development. Although, if you stick strictly to what is seen in the 3 canon campaigns, then no - shivans never enter a planet's atmosphere to attack it. They bomb it from orbit...or they nuke the central star
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Well, the Perseus, Peagasus, Ulysses and Aeres all cetainly look aerodynamic.
But there is no way in hell that the Ursa is Atmosphere capable. Let me put it this way - the contents of a furnature store stand a better chance of atmospheric flight than the Ursa, which is LESS aerodynamic than a cow.
Now the shivans...I doubt it, but it is possible...based on what i know had to be cut from FS2 during development. Although, if you stick strictly to what is seen in the 3 canon campaigns, then no - shivans never enter a planet's atmosphere to attack it. They bomb it from orbit...or they nuke the central star
According to :v: you're wrong. FREESPACE SHIPS ARE CAPABLE OF ATMOSPHERIC FLIGHT. It is observed in both the FS reference bible and in cutscenes. Some cargo containers are stated to be made for both space and atmospheric use. Although it never says that destroyers can fly, transports and fighters most certainly can. Ursas carry harbingers, which are for planetary bombardment. Transports are seen flying away from a Vasudan city in a cutscene. I really don't see what's so hard about accepting it.
As a matter of fact, there's utterly no proof that things need to be aerodynamic in order to fly in freespace. Most likely they depend on some sort of anti-gravity.
You might have a point with the shivans, which are stated to lack any interest in planets, other than nuking their enemies.
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Ursas were developed to deploy the harbinger don't forget. Before that point they were reserved exclusively for orbital bombardment. Seeing as no other bomber could carry that bomb i'd say it was a capital weapon beforehand.
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Guh I am sick of these 'atmospheric flight' debates... and the Ulysses does NOT look aerodynamic at all. In fact, when Nuke was messing with atmospheric flight stuff, he said it was incredibly UN-aerodynamic.
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Guh I am sick of these 'atmospheric flight' debates...
People who are sick of FS debates shouldn't be on HLP then, or at least shouldn't post in the threads. :rolleyes:
I for one agree that atmospheric flights are possible within the FS universe, it's been said in the FS Ref Bible that at least some ships (cargo containers, transports) can fly/float/generally survive in a planet's atmosphere.
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well I would be pointless to have a huge army of just space faring ships, the link between the ground and the space has to be broken and not only by a specialized craft, Also It's true that some of these models do not look that aerodynamic but it's 23rd century.... anti-gravitation systems should have been invented by that time..hell if they discovered subspace travel already...
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According to :v: you're wrong. FREESPACE SHIPS ARE CAPABLE OF ATMOSPHERIC FLIGHT. It is observed in both the FS reference bible and in cutscenes.
1) show me the exact quote
2) show one instance in canon where anything larger than a transport/freighter is FLYING in an atmosphere (that crashed Hades doesnt count)
3) Clearly you didn't read my first sentence - I said that the Perseus, Pegasus, Ulyses and Aeres all LOOK aerodynamic...
Here's how i classify the FS fighters and bombers according to Aerodynamicity (is that a real word?) *Im leaving out the Shivan Fighters, because canonically they dont go near planets except to blow the crap out of them from orbit.1
Fighters/bombers that look distinctly aerodynamic
GTF/GVF/PVF Ulysses
GTF Angel2
GTF Valkyrie
GTF Perseus
GTF Pegasus
GTF Aeres
GTB Athena
GTB Artemis
GTB Artemis DH
PVF Anubis
GVF/PVF Horus
GVF/PVF Seth
GVF/PVF Thoth
GVF Serapis
GVF Ptah
GVB Bakha3
Fighters/bombers that look slightly Aerodynamic
GTF(B)4 Apollo
GTF Hercules
GTF Hercules Mk II
GTF Myrmidon
GTF Erinyes
GTB Medusa
GTB Zeus
GVF Tauret5
PVB Amus
GVB/PVB Osiris
Fighters/bombers that can't be Aerodynamic
GTF Loki - It's looks as aerodynamic as a brick...
GTB Boanerges - Its another flying brick
GTB Ursa - It looks as aerodynamic as a house
1 I'm ignoring the GVB Sekmet as that is essentially a reskinned SB Nahema
2While the GTF Angel has never been seen in canon, the GTF Valkyrie is described in canon as the Angel with 2 extra engines, so i imagine it looks almost the same as the Valkyrie...Venom's non-canon Angel model in the FSPort is a very good attempt.
3 This has to be a joke - In addition to Bakha's mythological origin, translating that name in japanese you get the GVB Idiot
4 this refers to the Two-seat Bomber Variant mentioned in the RefBible and seen in the FS1 intro
5 WHAT THE FRAK IS AN APSU-HEK?
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They don't have to be aerodynamical to fly in-atmosphere. They might not be fast if they are a big block, like the Ursa, but still.
IIRC, one of the cbani's from FS1 shows an Ursa flying over hills and shooting missiles.
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Really? I guess ill have to look for that one.
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Tie a big ass rocket to any brick and it will fly! :P
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As a matter of fact, there's utterly no proof that things need to be aerodynamic in order to fly in freespace. Most likely they depend on some sort of anti-gravity.
Good point here. Also, don't forget that we don't know how effective spacecraft engines can be in atmospheres, I guess they're powerful enough to "win" gravity. They're certainly capable of thrust vectoring, which helps a lot.
And please don't reply with "FreeSpace craft are slow in space, how do you expect them to work fine in atmospheres?" or something like that because, in the Universe, spacecraft are much faster than in-game. Look at how fast the transports evacuating Vasuda are and, more importantly, look at the Herc and the Manticore showed in the intro cutscene of FS2.
Speed and thrust vectoring is what a spacecraft needs to enter the atmosphere of a planet, perform well and survive.
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Both FS intros show how fast the ships are. In the FS2 one, the vasudan fighters, and GTB Medusas fly from far away to the battle above the planet in Deneb. And then there are the CB anims.
Next, there are artificial gravity and etc. systems, otherwise Petrarch, you, and the entire crew of the Aquitaine would be flying aroung the mainhall of FS2. Same goes for the Psamtik, Bastion and Galatea mainhalls. If there was no artificial gravity, then you'd be flying around inside the ships, with accidents with some newbie colliding with a cargo container full of Harbingers. So since there are artificial gravity systems, I'm pretty sure that they have anti-gravity systems as well.
And terran_emperor, if you doubt that there is said about FS ships being capable of atmosphere flight in the FS Ref bible, then check for that yourself.
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In all fairness to the Emperor, i remember mentions of craft in cutscene layouts but not a definitive "every ship" statement. I could well be wrong but lets not persecute. I reckon with some additions an Argo could enter atoms. :)
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Being aerodynamic helps when flying in the atmostsphere. And then there's the mass and/or weight to speed problem.
Let me put it this way - An orion as is stands is more likely to crash than fly when in an atmosphere.
Since there's no canon-evidence for anything larger than a transport/freighter flying within an atmosphere, Zod ones as well, and no-one can provide me with :v: statment on the matter, I'm going to stick to the following Rules:
1) Terran, Vasudan and Shivan Capitals are Space-only craft.
2) Shivans are a spacefaring race they - live on massive hive/colony ships and construction is done in massive Star Forge-like facilities. They only time they approach a planet is bomb the crap out of it.
3) GTVA millitary is split into two divisions -Ground and Space. The Ground branches of the millitary are the Army, Navy and Airforce. Space Branches include the Star Navy (Us FS player play Fighter Jocks within this branch). Marines opporate within both devisions.
4) Of terran and Vasudan Space-fighters, only the following are Atmosphere Capable
Fighters/bombers that are designed to opporate in both space and an atmosphere
GTF/GVF/PVF Ulysses
GTF Angel
GTF Valkyrie
GTF Perseus
GTF Pegasus
GTF Aeres
GTB Athena
GTB Artemis
GTB Artemis DH
PVF Anubis
GVF/PVF Horus
GVF/PVF Seth
GVF/PVF Thoth
GVF Serapis
GVF Ptah
GVB Bakha
Fighters/bombers that can fly in an atmosphere, but it is not recommended that they do
GTF/B Apollo
GTF Hercules
GTF Hercules Mk II
GTF Myrmidon
GTF Erinyes
GTB Medusa
GTB Zeus
GVF Tauret
PVB Amus
GVB/PVB Osiris
Fighters/bombers that are for Space, and space alone
GTF Loki - It's looks as aerodynamic as a brick...
GTB Boanerges - Its another flying brick
GTB Ursa - It looks as aerodynamic as a house
5) Of Transports and freighters
Transports and Freighters that are atmosphere capable
GTFr Chronos
GVT/PVT Isis
PVFr/GVFr Bast
PVFr/GVFr Satis
Transports and freighters not atmosphere capable
GTT Elysium
GTT Argos
GTFr Poseidon
GTFr Triton
GVFr Bes
PVFr Ma'at
Terran Troop Transport for Ship-to-surface are unseen, but resemble the Dropship from Aliens.
6) I use the B5 Earth Alliance as a Basis for how the GTA, later GTVA works. I do this as long as i dont run into contradictions. Sure i get a couple of Retcons - Terran Military has landing craft which are never seen in canon, that sort of thing - but nothing too major.
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And terran_emperor, if you doubt that there is said about FS ships being capable of atmosphere flight in the FS Ref bible, then check for that yourself.
Ive got the refbible, checked it and the only mention of Atmosphere that is applied to a specific piece of Tech, refers to the sound the Banshee makes when fired in an atmostphere.
Here are the Exact quotes i get for searching the RefBible for "Atmosphere/Atmospheric"
1) From a Cutscene stage-text
There’s some goofy music somewhere. Atmosphere is pretty subdued and bleak.
2) From a Paragraph about Vasudans
They’re bipedal, have two eyes and a mouth, and have nearly the same atmospheric & respiration needs.
3 & 4) From the description of the GTW-7 Banshee
...in an atmosphere, the pulse creates an atmospheric disturbance similar to a quasi-human scream at 180 dB...
I can find no mention of this "every ship" statment, and as no-one can provide the official statment from :v: will count this "every ship" statment as 1) Apocrapha1; or 2) fanon; but either way complete bulls41t.
1 by apocrapha - i mean some one from :v: gave this in a spoken statment, with no written record. This is unlike the Talnia system...That system is Canon...just like the isle of avalon, no-one knows where it is. The generally agreed upon location is Sheer speculation, unless that legendary Pre-Release node map turns up again.
The transports and Freighters mentioned in the deleated Cut-scenes are not given a class. These cut-scenes were canned at an early stage in development, so the ships were never given a definite class. Anyone who says that they did have a specific class is telling porkies... :ha:
Thanks for the support Colonol :yes:
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If a big, blocky transport can fly in atmosphere (and it can. this is canon), then why couldn't a big blocky fighter or a big blocky fighter?
Given that anti-grav exists in FS, it just doesn't make much sense that some craft can't fly in-atmosphere simply cause they don't look "right" to someone. What's looks got to do with anything?
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The largest ship I can remember seeing flying in an atmosphere is a Satis freighter, which is most certainly not aerodynamic. If that brick can fly in an atmosphere I think and Ursa would be able to.
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As interested as I am in this question, I personally keep coming back to the conclusion that the designs in FS are all "style over substance."
Personally, having anti-grav tech in FS would make it too Star Wars-ish for my liking. But IF it exists in the FS universe, then so be it.
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Where does it show Anti-grav tech? The ability to generate artificial gravity doesnt mean you have the ability to generate anitgravity.
Any if you refer to the Vasudan Mainhall, you don't know for a fact that it wasn't it wasn't using VTOL jets.
We only know for a fact that the Orion and Iceni have artificial Gravity. - Command_Briefing and Bosch Monologue cutscenes.
The Lab Scene from FS1, and one or two of the Bosch Mologues, possibly place on an Arcadia.
Anyway, the cutscenes show (despite their dubious nature), that Frigates/Corvettes (depending on what you classify the Iceni and Hippocrates as) upwards have gravity tech.
AFAIK, there is nothing in canon that say that the crews of cruisers dont live in zero gravity like the Hyperion/Midwinter crews from B5 do. In fact, for all we know, passangers and crew have to strap themselves into their seats on anything smaller that a corvette.
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The ability to generate gravity shows good progress into gravity type technologies.
I never said every ship could fly in the atmosphere, but fighters, bombers (yes the Ursa), cargo containers (and by extension freighters) and transports are shown to or said to be.
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Where exactly? Show me the exact quote
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The standard Vasudan cargo container is only slightly different from our own. The primary difference is that the Vasudan cargo containers are atmospheric as well as deep-space. Vasudans used cargo containers well before we did, as they needed to transport raw materials from other systems to their own barren world. Our cargo container was modelled after theirs, although ours is slightly superior in durability.
An electromagnetic weapon - sends rapid pulses of exceptionally strong electromagnetic energy resulting in a 1.63 x 105 J blast that forces its way through any known shield technology and produces a dramatic shearing effect which quickly destroys the target ship's materials - named for the fact that in an atmosphere, the pulse creates an atmospheric disturbance similar to a quasi-human scream at 140 dB - uses up a tremendous amount of available ship energy - already, it is has been used by many GTA fighter aces and test pilots as a coup de grace, although such a use for this massively powerful offensive weapon is officially viewed as poor sportsmanship by the GTA.
The GTW-7's impressive anti-shielding capabilities make it the weapon of choice against the Shivans. The main limitation of this weapon is low weapons compatibility. It can only be fitted on a GTF Valkyrie or a GTF Hercules.
The scene begins showing a dry, desert planet. Sand blows by, and it looks generally barren. It’s evening, and the night sky above the horizon is starting to show some stars. Two large moons are somewhat visible, and lights from a few ships are shown entering/leaving orbit. What appears to be the surface parts of an underground mining installation becomes visible. A large all-terrain-looking transport with cargo trailers lumbers out of a tunnel onto the surface. The camera follows it past, and a huge city is seen in the distance. The music swells up some, and a caption appears, indicating that this is the homeworld and capital city of Vasuda. Many more lights & vessels can be seen approaching the city, as well as some roads and elevated tracks.
[Cut to a closer view of the city]
A formal Terran transport ship comes into view, with many Vasudan and Terran fighters flying escort. The ship arrives at a huge building, obviously some sort of government building for the city.
[Cut to close up of top of building]
The Terran transport lands on a platform on the top of the building. After touchdown the doors open and reveal a human officer in military uniform.
That's in addition to the cutscenes actually in the game. You know, the escaping Satis transports?
Of course the bible doesn't say if those are specialized atmospheric fighters or not, but I wonder how the Terrans would get atmosperic fighters to Vasuda Prime.
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The standard Vasudan cargo container is only slightly different from our own. The primary difference is that the Vasudan cargo containers are atmospheric as well as deep-space. Vasudans used cargo containers well before we did, as they needed to transport raw materials from other systems to their own barren world. Our cargo container was modelled after theirs, although ours is slightly superior in durability.
So, ive acknowledged that some of the Zods Freighters are atmospheric
An electromagnetic weapon - sends rapid pulses of exceptionally strong electromagnetic energy resulting in a 1.63 x 105 J blast that forces its way through any known shield technology and produces a dramatic shearing effect which quickly destroys the target ship's materials - named for the fact that in an atmosphere, the pulse creates an atmospheric disturbance similar to a quasi-human scream at 140 dB - uses up a tremendous amount of available ship energy - already, it is has been used by many GTA fighter aces and test pilots as a coup de grace, although such a use for this massively powerful offensive weapon is officially viewed as poor sportsmanship by the GTA.
The GTW-7's impressive anti-shielding capabilities make it the weapon of choice against the Shivans. The main limitation of this weapon is low weapons compatibility. It can only be fitted on a GTF Valkyrie or a GTF Hercules.
So What! That just means that they could have tested it in an Atmosphere. And i've acknowledged that some fighters are atmospheric
The scene begins showing a dry, desert planet. Sand blows by, and it looks generally barren. It’s evening, and the night sky above the horizon is starting to show some stars. Two large moons are somewhat visible, and lights from a few ships are shown entering/leaving orbit. What appears to be the surface parts of an underground mining installation becomes visible. A large all-terrain-looking transport with cargo trailers lumbers out of a tunnel onto the surface. The camera follows it past, and a huge city is seen in the distance. The music swells up some, and a caption appears, indicating that this is the homeworld and capital city of Vasuda. Many more lights & vessels can be seen approaching the city, as well as some roads and elevated tracks.
[Cut to a closer view of the city]
A formal Terran transport ship comes into view, with many Vasudan and Terran fighters flying escort. The ship arrives at a huge building, obviously some sort of government building for the city.
[Cut to close up of top of building]
The Terran transport lands on a platform on the top of the building. After touchdown the doors open and reveal a human officer in military uniform.
It doesn't say which class of Transport or Classes of fighters. I flat out refuse to believe that the Elysium was the only Transport that the GTA had. The Elysium is distintly "Space-Only"
I see nothing about bombers being atmosphere capable.
I still see no "Every ship" statement
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No one said that every ship is atmosphere capable.
Once again, the Harbinger was for surface bombardment, and has a small range, suggesting that the Ursa HAS to be atmosphere capable. Fighters are also said to be atmosphere capable.
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I still see no "Every ship" statement
Think about this - if a Satis can fly in the atmosphere, then why shouldn't an Ursa be able to? They're the same shape. Sure, it might need to be modified, but the technology exists. If fighters and freighters are atmospheric, then by extrapolation, bombers are too. They aren't too different - they're not much blockier than fighters and less blocky than freighters. Why should the NOT be atmospheric if the others are? Hell, the Harbringer was said to be for planetary bombardment or something, and the Ursa was designed to carry it.
And the Elysium is the only CANON class of terran transport, so that's all we go on. You can refuse to believe it, you can go make up the GTT Suckmyballs which is atmospheric, but you cannot prove that the Elysium is strictly space-only just because you so feel like it. In fact, the evidence has a better argument for the exact opposite.
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Yes, what class is that "formal terran transport" anyway?
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No one said that every ship is atmosphere capable.
Once again, the Harbinger was for surface bombardment, and has a small range, suggesting that the Ursa HAS to be atmosphere capable. Fighters are also said to be atmosphere capable.
Those are almost certainly modified Harbingers for Ship-to-ship combat.
The Full Harbinger was almost certainly launched from a Capital ship.
Remember they had to create a whole new bomber to use the Harbinger in Anti-Capship roles.
The Harbinger used against surface targets most likely had a fantastic range as an SpSWarhead (SpS = Space-to-Surface) at the cost of lock-on time. But an Orion able to stay in position above the target long enough to do a full barrage.
When they decided to use the Harbinger against the Lucifer, they almost certainly had to modify the Harbinger.
First they created a Whole new bomber the Ursa, which is almost practically a Gunship, to carry the Harbinger.
Then, they would have had to reduce the lock-on time - in a situtation where time is of the essence, like the final battle against the Lucifer, you can't afford to spend the two-three minutes that would be required to get a positive weapons-lock at a safe distance. You need to get the lock-on as quickly as possible. So to reduce the Lock-on time, you reduce the Bomb's range.
Reduced Range means faster lock-on time.
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To resolve this issue i used beer logic. Whatever issue makes sense while i'm drunk, wins. . . In the style of 60's godzilla movies. . . It seemed to work back then. . . . If i'm missing declare me dead. I'll never surrenders to the anti
Fs forcess. . Booze is bad. Tinfoil make a life for zurself outside of fs2. . Ps i'm drunk.
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:lol:
Cos he can't make it tommorow.
__On topic__
Look we could argue this until the sun explodes and still not reach a settlement (if we didn't die of old age first). The fact is only the original FS team from :v: can say what is the truth. And until a difinitive answer shows up lets each stick to our own opinion on the matter and be done with it.
On a Side note, I just made 210 posts
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Congrats, and agreed :yes2::yes:
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Yeah true.
Thus ends another debate :P
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:wtf: when did i type that. . . . .
My drunkconcious has found it's way out of GD. Be afraid. . . .
I think TE summed it up. But i like a natter, what do you reckon the capacity is for an Argo?
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Someone wrote that the GTT Elysium is definitely not atmospheric capable-
Point it vertically up, and it has 4 engines pointed down, on each corner of the "brick", giving a stable platform, which could slowly be pushed into orbit.
Then we have to assume that whatever they're using as an energy source is dirt cheap and can be wasted to gain cargo space (think of US cars of the 1970's- they could almost hold a VW Beetle in their trunk, but sucked fuel like small locomotives), and it all makes sense.
The same thing applies to the Herc and Ursa, they could simply fly atmospheric at 200 km/h so the drag of air doesn't pull them apart, and reach space 30 minutes after takeoff.
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2) Shivans are a spacefaring race they - live on massive hive/colony ships and construction is done in massive Star Forge-like facilities. They only time they approach a planet is bomb the crap out of it.
Where do they get the resources to build their ships?
Also, if you've got artificial gravity, you've got Anti-gravity, just point it the other way.
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Gravity repulsion isn't that simple or we'd have it by now.
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Gravity repulsion isn't that simple or we'd have it by now.
I don't even think we've divided grabbity into positive and negative yet.
I wonder if there are civilizations which discovered both '+' and '-' gravity before discovering '+' and '-' electrical charges...
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I don't know what relevance this will have for anyone else, but for TI's atmospheric missions we're adopting the idea that while any small GTVA ship can be adapted for atmospheric flight, they preferentially try to equip the more aerodynamic ships like the Uly and Valk. And if your fighter hasn't been properly equipped for atmospheric (or more properly gravity well flight I suppose) you plummet.
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Gravity repulsion isn't that simple or we'd have it by now.
Why? We don't have artificial gravity, if we did, anti-gravity would be very easy to achieve.
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Gravity repulsion isn't that simple or we'd have it by now.
By that logic we should also have shield, 2km destroyers, beam cannons and powerful plasma, xazer and meson based weaponry.
And we should have colonized half the galaxy.
Regardless, it's CANON that big, blocky, unaerodynamical things can fly in atmosphere. Since it doesn't make sense to divide your fighters/bombers into specialized space/atmospheric roles when you can have both it is very unlikely that only a few select FS fighters/bombers can fly in-atmosphere.
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Whether it's 'canon' or not that fighters/bombers/transports are atmosphere-capable, the fact remains that we could just have New Powers As The Plot Demands (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NewPowersAsThePlotDemands).
As in if someone makes a campaign and wants a Ursa/Argo/Elysium/Fenris or whatever to be atmosphere capable, they can have that.
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The only Shivan craft which appear to be capable of atmospheric flight are the SC Cain and SD Lucifer.
This is, of course, assuming that the removed cutscene of the SD Lucifer arriving at Tombaugh Station is canon, and that Tombaugh Station is located on a planet with an atmosphere.
I wonder how the Shivans themselves will fare in an atmosphere. We already know that they can jump very well in space, as per the supersecret ST cutscene where a Shivan jumped onto a Thoth and crashed it into a Typhon.
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Tombaugh was a space station like Riviera.
Debris from the station is still falling from orbit on Ribos 4
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I wonder how the Shivans themselves will fare in an atmosphere. We already know that they can jump very well in space, as per the supersecret ST cutscene where a Shivan jumped onto a Thoth and crashed it into a Typhon.
I think they will just burn up and die from friction if they aren't equipped with some sort of uber armour in an Earth-like atmosphere.
<Does anyone agree with me that Shivans don't have respiratory systems?>
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Yeah, I don't think they have respiratory systems. In the bible, it is said that they can "suck space" (in a sense). :nervous:
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It's sort of strange - if they don't have respiratory systems, they can't eat so they are as good as robots. Perhaps they just don't need oxygen to respire . . . which is weird.
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1 by apocrapha - i mean some one from gave this in a spoken statment, with no written record. This is unlike the Talnia system...That system is Canon...just like the isle of avalon, no-one knows where it is. The generally agreed upon location is Sheer speculation, unless that legendary Pre-Release node map turns up again.
The transports and Freighters mentioned in the deleated Cut-scenes are not given a class. These cut-scenes were canned at an early stage in development, so the ships were never given a definite class. Anyone who says that they did have a specific class is telling porkies...
Wow, never heard of cutscenes that had new ships in them, that was cannon. And i never heard of those two locations that were spoken about from :V:.
Can you provide more info on how to view the cutscenes and more about what :V: said with the new locations?
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The cuscenes i refer to were never made - they exist only as scripts in the FSReference Bible which is is questionable canonicity. However there are remennts of these scenes.
The Fall of Vasuda Prime and the Lucifer at Ribos only exist canonically as Command briefing ani.
The Barfight between pair of terrans and a pair of Vasudans only exists as a secret movie on the Silent Threat CD of a single Zod beating on a Terran.
And terran news broadcasters only exist canonically as still images in the Credits.
The cut-scenes scripts in the RefBible refer to ship flying within the atmosphere. However the scripts never mention which class these ships are. Also, since these cutscenes were canned, their canonicity is questionable.
Sofar as im aware, the only ship shown to canonically be capable of atmospheric flight is the Satis. A bunch more ships can be seen in the Fall of Vasuda Prime briefing ani, but they are too small to be identified.
THe Locations
Talnia - Only a single canon reference to this star system exists in canon. Thus the star system exists, but the location of the system (where it nodes to) is unknown.
Avalon - An island from the tales of King Arthur
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I think the Horus is also capable of atmospheric flight. :nervous:
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Yeah, I don't think they have respiratory systems. In the bible, it is said that they can "suck space" (in a sense). :nervous:
But there's nothing TO suck in space, unless of course you mean the particles etc
OR
Do Shivans feed of nebulae gas?
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But there's nothing TO suck in space, unless of course you mean the particles etc
Yes, there is a lot of hydrogen hanging around in space (relatively), maybe they suck that in?
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But there's nothing TO suck in space, unless of course you mean the particles etc
Yes, there is a lot of hydrogen hanging around in space (relatively), maybe they suck that in?
But wouldn't that be too sparse to actually... suck?
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Yes it would, you'd be lucky to have twenty atoms of it per cubic meter.
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Well they're lucky that space is seemingly infinite. ;7