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Title: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: -Joshua- on August 27, 2009, 09:19:01 am
You see, I am done twiddling with serail connection joysticks and very old soundcards. I want a good joystick. So I am going to need your recommendations

Some hints:
I'm rather heavy handed.
I am right-handed
I live in a rural area, far away from any shops that sells these things, so I've got to order one.

So. Any recomendations?
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Herra Tohtori on August 27, 2009, 09:49:44 am
Budget? Purpose? Will you need twist handle rudder or are you planning on getting rudder pedals as well?

From cheaper to more expensive (based on Finnish prices):

Saitek Cyborg Evo

Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X

Saitek Cyborg Evo X

Thrustmaster T.16000M

Saitek X52 HOTAS

Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar

CH Products


Whatever you settle on, my recommendation is not to get a Logitech stick...



Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Dilmah G on August 27, 2009, 09:51:42 am
Amen. My personal recommendation is the Cyborg Evo. Just go easy on the trigger.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: chief1983 on August 27, 2009, 10:18:37 am
If you want to ebay for one, I recommend a Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro for a one stick solution (make sure it's the model that comes with the USB adapter, the first gen won't work with any adapters) or the Saitek X45, their premier HOTAS before the X52.  The X45 has a rocker switch on the throttle for rudder axis instead of a twist stick, which I prefer but not everyone agrees with that.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Nuke on August 28, 2009, 04:22:42 pm
go with the cougar or ch. x52 is ok, but its more looks than function in my opinion. oh and the cougar is total metal construction, so you can abuse it without ****ing it up. i lean to ch, because it has really good configuration software.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: chief1983 on August 28, 2009, 07:29:31 pm
Yeah CH wins hands down, unless money is an object :)
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Herra Tohtori on August 28, 2009, 07:48:44 pm
Thats' why I put it last on the list... :p
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: colecampbell666 on August 28, 2009, 08:04:40 pm
How much money do you have? I'd suggest the EVO Force, or thge Cyborg X. NEVER GET A LOGITECH.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Ziame on August 30, 2009, 03:24:50 am
NEVER GET A LOGITECH.

Why? I've got Logitech stick and i'm very content about it
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on August 30, 2009, 05:30:38 am
Yeah what's wrong with Logitech? I've been using the same wingman since FS2 came out or even before that
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Herra Tohtori on August 30, 2009, 07:11:16 am
I've had three Logitech sticks (Extreme 3DPro, Force 3DPro, Force3D. All of them showed same symptoms of inaccuracy and axial corruption.

Opened them up in frustration and compared their innards to Saitek's ones.

This is what I found. Saitek's pot on the left, Logitech's "pot" on the right...

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2itk303.png)

Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Nuke on August 30, 2009, 11:14:25 am
from my x52 exploratory i found that it used hall sensors instead of pots, but made a big mistake by placing it on a rack and pinion ger train which looked kinda loose. good idea, bad implementation. though i heard later models and the pro version got around that problem. either way switched over to ch and really dont have any plans to switch back. but i might give the cougar a try if i ever come into an excess of money.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Mongoose on August 30, 2009, 12:31:12 pm
It's a damn shame that no one else ever followed the old MS Sidewinder way of doing things.  Optical sensors for the win.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: colecampbell666 on August 30, 2009, 09:20:19 pm
About Logitechs, I had three go to **** on me within days of buying them. A Force 3D and two Wingman Attack 2's.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Nuke on August 30, 2009, 10:36:18 pm
It's a damn shame that no one else ever followed the old MS Sidewinder way of doing things.  Optical sensors for the win.

i kinda liked those sensors, they were very precise and gave a nice smooth reading. also its the only joystick i remember seeing surface mount electronics in. my sidwinder force feedback was a good controller certainly worth what i spent on it.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: chief1983 on August 30, 2009, 11:29:35 pm
What's sad is even MS cheaped with the Sidewinder 2 stuff.  The Precision 2 has a notorious problem of static building causing it to fail intermittently, until it's unplugged long enough to discharge.  This problem is far worse than it ever was on the Sidewinder 1, even the one with the USB adapter.  I've got both, so I can speak from experience on this even though it may sound copied from the Wiki article.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Mongoose on August 31, 2009, 12:55:10 am
I'm just glad that my old 3D Pro is still alive and kicking, and even gladder that a crazy awesome member of the Descent community designed and manufactured a custom gameport-to-USB controller for it.  I can get by with my Cyborg Evo in FS, but I need that 3D Pro for Descent. :D
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: QuantumDelta on August 31, 2009, 01:19:55 am
As much as it seems to be against the advice here, stay away from the Saitek series.
I have a Cyborg Evo and honestly the keyboard is a thousand times better.
I've used other joysticks (I can't speak for the x52) and seriously the original sidewinder wipes the floor with the Cyborg series (*Having trouble remembering any of the other names though, one of them was FREAKISHLY expensive too, looked like it had been taken out of a bleeding space fighter cockpit, or a tank, or something, but it was seriously heavy duty, must have cost him a bomb had like, 3 banks excluding the main stick, with switches and all sorts of **** on (+thruster + some LED panel he used for some other flightsim), ridiculous setup, wonder if I still have some pics from my visit).


But yea, Cyborg series TERRIBAD.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: chief1983 on August 31, 2009, 09:51:20 am
Glad I'm not the only one not a fan of their mainstream sticks.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Herra Tohtori on August 31, 2009, 10:23:19 am
Glad I'm not the only one not a fan of their mainstream sticks.

They have their faults, but they have a very good price/quality ratio.

Personally I have removed all center springs from my cyborg evo and it improved significantly with that simple action.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: colecampbell666 on August 31, 2009, 10:23:43 am
The main thing about Saitek is that they're cheap, better than Logitech, and perform well for the price. Sure they're not Sidewinders, but they're currently the best cheap sticks out there.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: QuantumDelta on August 31, 2009, 10:30:57 am
'cept when the buttons fall off, and you realise they have a deadzone the size of a small moon (*Okay, so I'm one of those firm believers in 0 deadzone and max sensitivity).  :P
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: colecampbell666 on August 31, 2009, 10:33:07 am
Can't argue with the deadzone thing. Isn't that what the optical sensor in the Sidewinder avoided?
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: QuantumDelta on August 31, 2009, 10:45:35 am
Precisely!
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: MR_T3D on August 31, 2009, 11:21:35 am
this may sound stupid, but i rather likke my $30CDN logi attack3.
simple, works good after 3 years.
throttle is a little thing at the base, not like ypur fancy ones.
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Titan on August 31, 2009, 12:40:59 pm
I've had a Logitec Wingman Force 3d that I've had for 5 or so years. The one that had FS2: Collosus bundled with it. Hasn't broken, though I rarely use it.

The best joystick I ever had was the one I used when I was little. Only had two buttons. Spent the first 7 years of my life playing Need for Speed with that thing. Good memories.  :nod:
Title: Re: I am looking for an USB Joystick.
Post by: Mongoose on August 31, 2009, 01:33:15 pm
I've had a Logitec Wingman Force 3d that I've had for 5 or so years. The one that had FS2: Collosus bundled with it. Hasn't broken, though I rarely use it.
I did have a Force 3D for a little while, but it soon succumbed to that common Logitech axis failing, and it would register multiple spastic movements when it was perfectly centered.