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Title: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: MP-Ryan on November 07, 2010, 10:50:58 am
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Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: TrashMan on November 07, 2010, 10:58:10 am
ERm...Obisian? Bioware appearing twice? Hrm... herm.....NO
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: General Battuta on November 07, 2010, 11:06:00 am
Looks pretty accurate to me!
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: sigtau on November 07, 2010, 11:23:46 am
In Hell, it's published by EA.  In Heaven, it's published by... well, there aren't any really *good* publishers out there, right?
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: General Battuta on November 07, 2010, 11:25:01 am
In Hell, it's published by EA.  In Heaven, it's published by... well, there aren't any really *good* publishers out there, right?

You're like running a decade behind the times. Riccitiello-era EA is pretty good. In hell it's published by Activision.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: sigtau on November 07, 2010, 12:17:32 pm
I dunno, EA and DRM...
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: General Battuta on November 07, 2010, 12:18:22 pm
I dunno, EA and DRM...

Ubisoft's the one you want to ***** about re: DRM.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: SpardaSon21 on November 07, 2010, 12:22:19 pm
Yeah, EA has really pulled an about-face when it comes to DRM on games.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: mxlm on November 07, 2010, 12:26:15 pm
Obsidian's QA is nowhere near as bad as its rep.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: NGTM-1R on November 07, 2010, 01:14:13 pm
Obsidian's QA is nowhere near as bad as its rep.

I don't know, the Radscorpions tilted crazily into the ground seem to agree with this.

Mind you, I'm pretty sure there are people with far worse QA out there. Matrix Games comes to mind.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: Hades on November 07, 2010, 01:44:47 pm
Obsidian's QA is nowhere near as bad as its rep.

I don't know, the Radscorpions tilted crazily into the ground seem to agree with this.

Mind you, I'm pretty sure there are people with far worse QA out there. Matrix Games comes to mind.
It's actually mostly because of the ****ty engine the game runs on, but yeah more could have been done

It's odd though, I haven't been getting any actual bugs besides maybe one ant through the ground and one bugged quest in over 60 hours of gameplay and only maybe 2 crashes. That's far better than post patches FO3.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: TrashMan on November 07, 2010, 02:10:01 pm
Bioware dialouge is excellent.

Obsidian stories? Why exactly are they so fabolous? Meh.


Hmm...does "creating a setting" fall under "story" or is it a separate category?

Also, cutscenes in heaven are created by BLUR.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: Ghostavo on November 07, 2010, 02:12:43 pm
The dialog is written by Bioware in the Heaven version and in the Hell version by... Bioware?
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: SpardaSon21 on November 07, 2010, 02:23:32 pm
Obsidian stories? Why exactly are they so fabolous? Meh.
Have you never played the second KotOR game?  The one that questioned all of the established facts about the Sith, Jedi, and the Force?  The storyline is excellent, and the game would have been far better if LucasArts, the publisher and damn them, hadn't forced it to be released early for the Christmas market with poor QA and lots of cut content.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: General Battuta on November 07, 2010, 02:24:41 pm
Bioware dialouge is excellent.

The whole joke is that Bioware dialogue is both excellent and terrible.

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Obsidian stories? Why exactly are they so fabolous? Meh.

Planescape Torment and Fallout 1/2 ring any bells?

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Also, cutscenes in heaven are created by BLUR.

I've never actually been a big fan of Blur. They seem to have a cookie-cutter formula and their rendering is pretty uncanny.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: Hades on November 07, 2010, 03:46:40 pm
Before Trashman asks what Obsidian has anything to do with Fallout 1 and 2, I'd like to mention how most Black Isle team members moved on to Obsidian.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: mxlm on November 07, 2010, 03:58:36 pm
I don't know, the Radscorpions tilted crazily into the ground seem to agree with this.
And, what, that never happened in FO3?

If we're comparing bugs, I certainly crashed more in 3 than NV. And I was playing the fully patched, GotY edition.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: StarSlayer on November 07, 2010, 04:16:33 pm
I don't know, the Radscorpions tilted crazily into the ground seem to agree with this.
And, what, that never happened in FO3?

If we're comparing bugs, I certainly crashed more in 3 than NV. And I was playing the fully patched, GotY edition.

I shot a Deathclaw once with the Blackhawk and it subsequently launched heavenward.  The best was it was the first shot in a VATS combo so my character tracked and fired during it's ascent like a radar guided AAA mount.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: Ace on November 07, 2010, 04:22:08 pm
Hell should be the dialog is written by Bethesda :p

"I saw a radscorpion the other day, terrible creature."
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: NGTM-1R on November 07, 2010, 04:27:16 pm
And, what, that never happened in FO3?

If we're comparing bugs, I certainly crashed more in 3 than NV. And I was playing the fully patched, GotY edition.

Actually, it didn't. Nor did I get stuck inside terrain. Nor did the climax of the second mission sequence you encounter spawn enemies that could not be interacted with and require a restart. Comparing the console versions NV was definitely shipped with more problems.

I'd actually feel better if NV just outright crashed like FO3 did a few times instead of playing on in a seriously glitched fashion.

I'm not hating on Obsidian, I've played games from companies that suck far worse; UFO Extraterrestrials in the version Matrix Games was bandying about wasn't even properly spellchecked and SP:WaW has a persistent bug that renders artillery and airstrikes unusable. I just think their reputation is deserved. :P
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: BloodEagle on November 07, 2010, 08:15:35 pm
Credit where credit is due: http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=9866
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: mxlm on November 07, 2010, 11:28:32 pm
Mr. Mayor, it saddens me that I will be unable to vote for you in the coming elections. GOOD DAY, SIR!
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: TrashMan on November 08, 2010, 06:02:36 am
Obsidian stories? Why exactly are they so fabolous? Meh.
Have you never played the second KotOR game?  The one that questioned all of the established facts about the Sith, Jedi, and the Force?  The storyline is excellent, and the game would have been far better if LucasArts, the publisher and damn them, hadn't forced it to be released early for the Christmas market with poor QA and lots of cut content.

Yes, I have played it, and I didn't like the story.
F**** that old crow Kreia, the two stupid sith lords and the whole "force hunger/void/wound"

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The whole joke is that Bioware dialogue is both excellent and terrible.

Bioware dialogue is excellent. What people b****ed about was the dialogue wheel display shorts.

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Planescape Torment and Fallout 1/2 ring any bells?

Planescape Torment? Meh.
Liked the Fallout series tough. Were interesting games.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: SpardaSon21 on November 08, 2010, 09:37:43 am
Obsidian stories? Why exactly are they so fabolous? Meh.
Have you never played the second KotOR game?  The one that questioned all of the established facts about the Sith, Jedi, and the Force?  The storyline is excellent, and the game would have been far better if LucasArts, the publisher and damn them, hadn't forced it to be released early for the Christmas market with poor QA and lots of cut content.

Yes, I have played it, and I didn't like the story.
F**** that old crow Kreia, the two stupid sith lords and the whole "force hunger/void/wound"
TrashMan, I would say you have no soul, except that wouldn't be a surprise to anyone here.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: General Battuta on November 08, 2010, 09:42:00 am
Bioware dialogue is excellent

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get loud and spill some drinks on the citadel

get loud and spill some drinks on the citadel

get loud and spill some drinks on the citadel

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Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: The E on November 08, 2010, 12:36:54 pm
Have you never seen BioWare doing the "Say yes in three different ways" thing in your playthroughs? That's terrible dialogue.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: phatosealpha on November 08, 2010, 01:06:52 pm
It's not just Bioware.  Practically everyone does a little of that ever since full voice acting became absolutely mandatory for an RPG.  Wish it was just yes three different ways, but it's usually dialog very carefully crafted so that the NPC response can be the same for yes, no, maybe, or derp.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: General Battuta on November 08, 2010, 01:08:28 pm
Yeah, exactly.

And to be honest I understand it. When I did the conversation tree mission in War in Heaven I immediately knew why they all do it. (Plus, disk space problems; audio is big.)
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: Mobius on November 08, 2010, 03:13:11 pm
TBH I don't like the part about Final Fantasy.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: NGTM-1R on November 08, 2010, 03:31:55 pm
Have you never seen BioWare doing the "Say yes in three different ways" thing in your playthroughs? That's terrible dialogue.

To be honest I can't recall that happening in the options so much as it happening in what's actually said. Which is arguably worse.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: Ravenholme on November 08, 2010, 04:52:44 pm
Obsidian's QA is nowhere near as bad as its rep.

I don't know, the Radscorpions tilted crazily into the ground seem to agree with this.

Mind you, I'm pretty sure there are people with far worse QA out there. Matrix Games comes to mind.
It's actually mostly because of the ****ty engine the game runs on, but yeah more could have been done

It's odd though, I haven't been getting any actual bugs besides maybe one ant through the ground and one bugged quest in over 60 hours of gameplay and only maybe 2 crashes. That's far better than post patches FO3.

Likewise, no problems. Obsidian do good writing, another one of their flawed gems would be Alpha Protocol - it got slated, but I played it through twice and really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: TrashMan on November 09, 2010, 03:26:20 am
TrashMan, I would say you have no soul, except that wouldn't be a surprise to anyone here.

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Gimme 1 MILLION DOLLARZ!



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Have you never seen BioWare doing the "Say yes in three different ways" thing in your playthroughs? That's terrible dialogue.

Not really. That's a limitation with gameplay, when the game cannot allow you to do something different (for various reasons..dev time, cuts, etc..).
I don't personally like it either, but it's a different thing than dialogue. Different ways to say X is part of roleplaying, to give your character a bit more character. HOW you character does/sez X is also part of making the character your own.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: Jeff Vader on November 09, 2010, 05:49:41 am
Different ways to say X is part of roleplaying, to give your character a bit more character. HOW you character does/sez X is also part of making the character your own.
Yeah, but I can't see much characterization, if you are given the options

"I most wholeheartedly agree with you."
"I wouldn't be so sure."
"Suck my dick, I'm Kurt Cobain.",

and regardless of what you choose, your character will say

"I guess you're right."

and always with the same tone.

I suppose they could just represent what you think but can't really say in the situation, but does that really need dialogue options? You could easily just think what you think and know that you have only one dialogue option available and you must select it in order to continue.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: TrashMan on November 09, 2010, 08:27:08 am
Again, flavor.

Does your character agree with X, disagree but decide to go along because its' practical, or because he sees no other option, or whatever? It all gives more things with which to define the character. Granted, the game worlds mostly react poorly to such cosmetics, but it doesn't take into account your appearance when you can create your own PC either, now does it?

You can make a ungodly sin against creation or a super-smecksy character, and you're treated the same by the game. By that logic, face creation shouldn't even be in....
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: -Joshua- on November 09, 2010, 09:48:02 am
Hell should be the dialog is written by Bethesda :p

"I saw a radscorpion the other day, terrible creature."

'I am looking for my dad. middle aged guy".
or
[Intelligence] Oh! You tell people about the good fight on the radio!



Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: Nemesis6 on November 09, 2010, 11:49:21 am
Radscorpion, eh? Don't you mean a mud crab?  :D
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: Jeff Vader on November 10, 2010, 04:54:09 am
Again, flavor.

Does your character agree with X, disagree but decide to go along because its' practical, or because he sees no other option, or whatever? It all gives more things with which to define the character. Granted, the game worlds mostly react poorly to such cosmetics, but it doesn't take into account your appearance when you can create your own PC either, now does it?

You can make a ungodly sin against creation or a super-smecksy character, and you're treated the same by the game. By that logic, face creation shouldn't even be in....
I, for one, can get the "flavour" all by myself, if I know that I disagree with something but there's really not any options on what to say in a situation. Or if I must create a face or something. I don't need the game to tell me "Hey, psst. Here's some flavour. It won't affect anything in any way, but there it is! Flavour!"
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: Mr. Vega on November 11, 2010, 07:40:17 pm
Hell should be the dialog is written by Bethesda :p

"I saw a radscorpion the other day, terrible creature."
Nah. In hell, the voice acting is done by Bethesda.

In heaven it's done by Funcom.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: BloodEagle on November 11, 2010, 09:35:48 pm
Hell should be the dialog is written by Bethesda :p

"I saw a radscorpion the other day, terrible creature."
Nah. In hell, the voice acting is done by Bethesda.

In heaven's its done by Funcom.

You guys should really check out the link I posted.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: TrashMan on November 12, 2010, 06:06:32 am
I, for one, can get the "flavour" all by myself, if I know that I disagree with something but there's really not any options on what to say in a situation. Or if I must create a face or something. I don't need the game to tell me "Hey, psst. Here's some flavour. It won't affect anything in any way, but there it is! Flavour!"


I agree that even flavor should ideally have some effect on the game (but that costs zots..)
But say you can supply all the "flavor" by yourself. That is called imagination. You don't need a game for that, a book will do. Heck, you don't even need a book.

One doesn't need a face, you can imagine it. One doesn't need a voice actor, I can imagine how my PC speaks. That is true, but it also misses the point.
Title: Re: Gaming heaven vs hell
Post by: -Joshua- on November 16, 2010, 03:29:05 am
Have you never seen BioWare doing the "Say yes in three different ways" thing in your playthroughs? That's terrible dialogue.

That doesn't happen in Mass Effect 2 anymore AFAIK.