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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Mika on January 21, 2011, 02:40:14 pm
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It seems to get released actually.
At least the release date has been set, and the official trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-b78TKZIyw) is on Youtube.
Whether this is what I wished it to be is another thing.
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hmmm, May 3rd it is then, 4 days before my birthday, hell will freeze over.
is it me or does it look like duke nukem has run headlong into a halo game? :wtf:
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I still say console shooter.
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That actually looks pretty awesome.
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I still say console shooter.
Uh, it'll be on PC first most likely.
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Who gives a **** what comes out where, that trailer looks awesome and I'm buying the hell out of the game in some form. :D
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Didn't it also get a release date a few years ago with several places even going so far as to start taking pre-orders? ;)
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I'll believe it when I see it.
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So they'll be switching engines and scrapping all of the existing content in April, then?
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What? It was an annual tradition for the DNF team for a while, there.
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It's not real until I'm holding a copy.
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I still say console shooter.
Uh, it'll be on PC first most likely.
I don't see that happening... All gameplay footage thus far has been on consoles. Rebellion did the same thing with the latest AVP game -- They claimed that the PC and console versions were different, developed separately. The only difference this made was slightly better graphics on the PC. Gameplay was console-style in both versions. I'd love to be wrong and admit that I was being a pessimistic douche, but time and time again, the theory of multiplatform games actually being console games ported to PC is reinforced; it's easier that way, and with a title like Duke Nukem Forever, they don't even need to add any extra bells and whistles to the PC version, because the hype will make sure that people buy it anyway. They'll lose money working extra on the PC version with no financial benefit in return, so why bother? I think that's the way they see it.
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I still say console shooter.
Uh, it'll be on PC first most likely.
I don't see that happening... All gameplay footage thus far has been on consoles. Rebellion did the same thing with the latest AVP game -- They claimed that the PC and console versions were different, developed separately. The only difference this made was slightly better graphics on the PC. Gameplay was console-style in both versions. I'd love to be wrong and admit that I was being a pessimistic douche, but time and time again, the theory of multiplatform games actually being console games ported to PC is reinforced; it's easier that way, and with a title like Duke Nukem Forever, they don't even need to add any extra bells and whistles to the PC version, because the hype will make sure that people buy it anyway. They'll lose money working extra on the PC version with no financial benefit in return, so why bother? I think that's the way they see it.
Your word choice is a touch misleading. You make it sound, in your original post and the start of this one, like you doubt there will be a PC release at all, and judging from the PC-DVD-ROM logo at the end of the trailer, if the DNF team actually decides that they're finished in May (instead of scrapping everything to start over), there will be a PC release.
That said, you're probably right about the game, in its current state, being a game will be native to consoles and ported to the PC. There haven't been too many shooters in the last eight or so years native to the PC, if we're honest. (This is actually why most of the first person shooters I still play are pre-Halo. I don't need or like console aim assist butting in, when I'm trying to kill something.) It's so common for shooters to start life on a console, only to be ported to PC that I just assume that's the development cycle for a shooter, lest I hear otherwise.....or if it's from a former Soviet republic.
Leaving that tangent aside, I don't see why it's worth getting one's hackles up over another shooter being principally developed for consoles, while the developers leave the PC behind as an afterthought. The rage made some sense ten years ago, when Halo got turned into an XBox exclusive, but the gaming world was much, much different back then (oddly, largely by right of Halo having not yet been released).
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So you think it's horrible because it's on a console and because it's on a console it must have console gameplay which is automatically bad and different than it would have been for the PC.
That's pretty hilarious.
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Well, I will admit, I've been playing Assassins Creed for the last few days, and you can certainly feel that it was designed for a console controller rather than a keyboard. That said, once you have got used to it, it's not terrible, apart from the fact that I keep stabbing people I mean to push....
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So you think it's horrible because it's on a console and because it's on a console it must have console gameplay which is automatically bad and different than it would have been for the PC.
That's pretty hilarious.
To be fair, there are some annoyances that arise from playing a ported shooter on a PC. Aim assist gets in the way; the game rarely looks as good as it could or should, and the game's community is typically fractured along platform lines. All of these go away, if the game is developed exclusively for the PC, and the first two are alleviated if a multiplatform game is principally developed for the PC. I don't personally find that enough to make a game 'bad' out of the gate, but the issues do get in the way and remind me that the game is a port. Some of the polish just flakes off in the porting process.
There's further arguments to be made that console shooters have all had a very samey feel over the last several years, while PC developers have been markedly more ambitious, but that has less to do with the platform than who's developing games for it. Microsoft Game Studios would still be looking for a cash cow to milk to death, whether making games for the XBox 360 or the PC, and 1C would still be utterly bonkers, whether it was making games for the PC or a console.
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Well, I will admit, I've been playing Assassins Creed for the last few days, and you can certainly feel that it was designed for a console controller rather than a keyboard. That said, once you have got used to it, it's not terrible, apart from the fact that I keep stabbing people I mean to push....
Hah, I had that problem too, so annoying when it ruined a stealth segment.
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There are cross-platform, console-first shooters which excel on the PC. Witness Bad Company 2, a fantastic game.
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There are cross-platform, console-first shooters which excel on the PC. Witness Bad Company 2, a fantastic game.
Yep, this is a good example of a port.
Heck, the Riddick games weren't badly executed, I had a lot of fun with 'em, at least.
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Escape from Butcher Bay was an absolutely brilliant game.
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I liked Battlestations: Midway. It's a split between how good the game was initially and whether the converters took 5 minutes taking into account the difference in input devices.
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Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 1 and 2, that's how I want a PC version of a game to be ported. That is to say, not at all, instead remade to such an extent that it no longer resembles the original's gameplay. See, the PC versions of these two games were outsourced to another developer called GRIN. They remade it so it was actually awesome on the PC, and hence I spent my money on that. Gives a good perspective after having tried "Rainbow Six Vegas" for the PC.
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Ugh yeah, I remember those, the PC versions were disgracefully ****ty and nowhere near as good as playing the original Ghost Recon on the Xbox (which was basically a straight port of the superlative GR1 PC), nor anywhere near as good as the surprisingly-strong 360 GRAW. Never ever do I want that debacle repeated, and thank god GRIN went out of business. (The console-only Ghost Recon 2 was ****awful, and every Rainbow Six after 3 was also terribad, whether on PC or anywhere else.)
In fact I remember the outrage in the Ghost Recon community when we finally had to deal with GRAW PC only to realize how badly GRIN had butchered it. Even the optimization was awful.
Just more proof that in the end it's not the platform that matters, it's whether you can make a game that doesn't suck. There are plenty of superb crossplats like Escape from Butcher Bay, Bad Company 2, Just Cause 2, so on - a good designer doesn't care what platform it's on.
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I really don't see why any of it is even worth discussing. I mean...this is Duke Nukem Forever. It could wind up utterly sucking, and I'll probably still buy it as soon as I can and play through the whole thing. It's not every day you get the chance to live a piece of gaming history, after all. :p
/me wonders if he should admit that he's never played Duke Nukem 3D :nervous:
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I'm going through Duke Nukem 3D with a community-made texture/model pack along with a new engine that allows parallax-mapping and all kinds of stuff. Check it out here: Duke Nukem 3D: High Resolution Pack for Polymer v4.2.x: http://hrp.duke4.net/download.php
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Ugh yeah, I remember those, the PC versions were disgracefully ****ty and nowhere near as good as playing the original Ghost Recon on the Xbox (which was basically a straight port of the superlative GR1 PC), nor anywhere near as good as the surprisingly-strong 360 GRAW. Never ever do I want that debacle repeated, and thank god GRIN went out of business. (The console-only Ghost Recon 2 was ****awful, and every Rainbow Six after 3 was also terribad, whether on PC or anywhere else.)
In fact I remember the outrage in the Ghost Recon community when we finally had to deal with GRAW PC only to realize how badly GRIN had butchered it. Even the optimization was awful.
Just more proof that in the end it's not the platform that matters, it's whether you can make a game that doesn't suck. There are plenty of superb crossplats like Escape from Butcher Bay, Bad Company 2, Just Cause 2, so on - a good designer doesn't care what platform it's on.
Yeah, Ghost Recon was awesome, but only in the right environment (as in, a group of local players who could actually function as something remotely resembling a team). I tried to give GRAW1 a chance, but never actually succeeded in getting more than a short way into it. We'd either not be able to get out of the helicopter at all or fall afoul of the godawful clipping.
I'm going through Duke Nukem 3D with a community-made texture/model pack along with a new engine that allows parallax-mapping and all kinds of stuff. Check it out here: Duke Nukem 3D: High Resolution Pack for Polymer v4.2.x: http://hrp.duke4.net/download.php
You know, I'm having the same problem with this that I currently have with FSO: It was so much fun back in the day that I played it completely and utterly to death and I'm so completely and utterly bored of it now that it's next to impossible to get into, because, no matter how pretty they make it, it's still the same game I grew tired of a decade ago :/
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You know, I'm having the same problem with this that I currently have with FSO: It was so much fun back in the day that I played it completely and utterly to death and I'm so completely and utterly bored of it now that it's next to impossible to get into, because, no matter how pretty they make it, it's still the same game I grew tired of a decade ago :/
I think in some respects, a few of got lucky on that. I have a CD still (in a CD caddy tray, no less) called Duke Assault which had 1500 extra levels on it. Many of them, maybe half, are deathmatch, but not all.
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Finished a playthrough of DN3D Atomic Edition as soon as I heard DNF was coming out last year.
I heard they're actually trying to honor pre-orders from the 90s. Anyone got one?
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The trailer was censored. :( I certainly hope the game won't be, or it can at least be turned off. :p
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The trailer was censored. :( I certainly hope the game won't be, or it can at least be turned off. :p
3D's parental controls were spot on (unless you figured out your dad's password :drevil: )
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The trailer was censored. :( I certainly hope the game won't be, or it can at least be turned off. :p
I'm willing to bet they'll follow The Saboteur's lead and make boobs a paid, day-one DLC.
[Insert joke about milking.....the franchise.]
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I'm willing to bet they'll follow The Saboteur's lead and make boobs a paid, day-one DLC.
[Insert joke about milking.....the franchise.]
Microtransactions are the future.
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Microtransactions are the future.
Only if development studios want me to lean the craft of bomb making and take down their offices
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Microtransactions are the future.
Only if development studios want me to lean the craft of bomb making and take down their offices
Boycott and piracy is more effective in the long run. You should try it sometime.
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Microtransactions are the future.
Only if development studios want me to lean the craft of bomb making and take down their offices
Boycott and piracy is more effective in the long run. You should try it sometime.
Yeah those worked smashingly well on the best-selling single-day launch titles of all time. :blah:
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I want to pre-order, but I feel uncomfortable...
**** it.
ALWAYS BET ON DUKE!
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Microtransactions are the future.
Only if development studios want me to lean the craft of bomb making and take down their offices
Boycott and piracy is more effective in the long run. You should try it sometime.
Yeah those worked smashingly well on the best-selling single-day launch titles of all time. :blah:
You have a very good point, Mr. Battuta. However, I'm still right, because even though boycott and piracy are suboptimal methods of resistance, a bomb in an office is far worse. First of all, the company will get insurance money, then a whole lot of media attention and sympathy. After this event, their drive to finish another game in memory of the dead would surely cause another smash-hit, considering this game would be riding on the aforementioned media attention, therefore getting more people to know about it/buy it. Essentially, the target company would become sort of a martyr, completely defeating the purpose of a bomb. Oh, and the person doing the bombing would either blow himself up or be found and executed for domestic terrorism.
Also, my statement on trying boycott/piracy still stands. It's fun!
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You are indeed correct about the bombing, I will concede that.
Unfortunately I worry that the 'resort to piracy' tactic is backfiring because publishers read this as 'those people WOULD have bought our game if it weren't for TORRENTS' and then they just develop for consoles.
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I have to hop through 50 friggin' hoops to install a game now a days because of pirating.
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I have to hop through 50 friggin' hoops to install a game now a days because of pirating.
Pirating actually remove those hoops directly, especially the "pull out your wallet and pay money" hoop. Though, seriously, pay for games that you like/from companies that are not evil.
As stated earlier, it's the companies' naive reasoning and unfortunate response to the pirating issue that causes these problems. Blaming piracy for that is like blaming sex for AIDS. It's certainly partially responsible for, but not guilty of, these problems.
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So you've got a vicious cycle here of 'bad corporate behavior justifies pirating justifies bad corporate behavior justifies pirating' and doesn't that maybe make you think a little that possibly one side has to stop so the other will too?
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I have to hop through 50 friggin' hoops to install a game now a days because of pirating.
Pirating actually remove those hoops directly, especially the "pull out your wallet and pay money" hoop. Though, seriously, pay for games that you like/from companies that are not evil.
As stated earlier, it's the companies' naive reasoning and unfortunate response to the pirating issue that causes these problems. Blaming piracy for that is like blaming sex for AIDS. It's certainly partially responsible for, but not guilty of, these problems.
No I can blame piracy. Quite frankly any argument that piracy is a good thing is a bunch of bull ****. People are not entitled to free movies, games music because they breathe air and have an internet connection. Nor do you get to break laws because you think someone's an asshole. Whether or not the industries' reaction is stupid is irrelevant the net result is people are breaking the law and they are screwing it up for the rest of us.
The "Glorious PC Master Race" is strangling its own goose.
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So you've got a vicious cycle here of 'bad corporate behavior justifies pirating justifies bad corporate behavior justifies pirating' and doesn't that maybe make you think a little that possibly one side has to stop so the other will too?
No. Because while that seems entirely logical, that will never happen. People like proprietary and securing it as much as possible when it means an income for them. Other people will always find a way to dissolve that. An inherit method of "lazy" exists in the human genome that basically boils down to "anybody who can have the most for the least will always choose that option over any other, even if the other options will prove more beneficial in the long term" because we generally spend a lot of focus on the "right now" mind-set.
And while that might be slowly changing in a global environmental scale, it kinda has to, because that triggers the survival mechanism. Something which anything like this will never run across.
And FYI, anti-piracy started well before piracy did, in terms of computer software. It's the whole reason why piracy now exists, birthed from the days of sneaker net and back-ally boxes full of floppies and hand-transcribed or badly xeroxed manuals.
Does that make either of them right? Not really. But companies are so hung up on "intellectually property" that they even sue people for inferences or "as-like-as" because of it now. In short, they lost sight of the "fun" factor. I have to agree with StarSlayer though, distributed piracy is bad as hell and has gotten WAY out of hand and people have a WAY overblown sense of self entitlement. I buy everything I have. If I choose to want to be able to make a "running" every-day copy of it so I can preserve the originals, that SHOULD be an OPTION (but not necessarily a RIGHT, though that would be nice) and in many cases, I cannot because that would make it too easy for me to then do something stupid like ISO it and upload it somewhere just because I feel like it.
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My concern about Piracy is that the estimates always assume that Pirates would buy the product if they could not pirate it, which is not accurate. So we also end up with an environment where companies present grossly over-inflated estimations of losses through Piracy in order to justify their behaviour.
That said, I would say that Boycott is far better than Piracy, we can learn to live without our shinies.
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My concern about Piracy is that the estimates always assume that Pirates would buy the product if they could not pirate it, which is not accurate. So we also end up with an environment where companies present grossly over-inflated estimations of losses through Piracy in order to justify their behaviour.
There is that as well. Excusing the bad sales by blaming piracy because they tried taking piracy (when none happened) into account is another factor. Though, if they figure that if they make it un-piratable that the pirates will HAVE to buy it means that 8 out of 10 pirates wait for the other 2 to buy it and crack it and then it spreads like wildfire.
To get more on topic here though: I played the hell out of Duke. I modded for Duke. I remixed for Duke. I will always bet on Duke. Nobody get's tired of Duke and you KNOW you'll be playing it anyway. Because it won't be the same tired game you bored yourself out of back then. If you're bored of the FPS Genre in general, don't hold that against Duke, it's not his fault that Halo tea-bagging douche-wads have taken over. Chew some bubble-gum and support a real FPS and always Bet on Duke.
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I have to hop through 50 friggin' hoops to install a game now a days because of pirating.
Pirating actually remove those hoops directly, especially the "pull out your wallet and pay money" hoop. Though, seriously, pay for games that you like/from companies that are not evil.
As stated earlier, it's the companies' naive reasoning and unfortunate response to the pirating issue that causes these problems. Blaming piracy for that is like blaming sex for AIDS. It's certainly partially responsible for, but not guilty of, these problems.
No I can blame piracy. Quite frankly any argument that piracy is a good thing is a bunch of bull ****. People are not entitled to free movies, games music because they breathe air and have an internet connection. Nor do you get to break laws because you think someone's an asshole. Whether or not the industries' reaction is stupid is irrelevant the net result is people are breaking the law and they are screwing it up for the rest of us.
The "Glorious PC Master Race" is strangling its own goose.
Woah woah, I never said piracy was good. I said piracy is not particularly bad.
First of all, piracy is never, ever going away. It's much more feasible to reform the companies than to reform everyone else.
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Less piracy talk more Duke is awesome talk.
Hail to the King, baby!
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I find the attitude most people try to cop when it comes to piracy generally
irks the hell out of me This really pisses me off! .
Whenever someone gets on a soap box to tell me either they're somehow doing society a service by pirating or acting in indignation that their free **** stream is potentially going to be cut off I want to Gibbs slap them rip thier head off and **** down thier neck! There is no inalienable right to downloading **** for free without earning it (unlike guns and stippers) and they are not some selfless Robin Hood for doing it. If someone wants to pirate fine, but stop trying to put on airs and man up about it Blow it out your ass!
* Dukefied for thread theme
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Microtransactions are the future.
Only if development studios want me to lean the craft of bomb making and take down their offices
oh hai fbi how you guys doin
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Maybe the piracy bits should be cut out for more duke bits?
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"Yo ho ho, and a bottle of rum. Hmm, gonna get me some wenches."
Yes, you did just read that in Duke's voice :D
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Yes, you did just read that in Duke's voice :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjqZ5LKpYMY
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Bump for new teaser videos. Not for those easily offended.
Babes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtHZZ3uoJ7M&hd=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtHZZ3uoJ7M&hd=1)
Feces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ2dWJMiU3Y&hd=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ2dWJMiU3Y&hd=1)
Jetpack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8JjfKumK3U&hd=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8JjfKumK3U&hd=1)
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epic ;)
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I LOL'd, this one I'm getting, oh yes.