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Title: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: General Battuta on May 13, 2011, 09:30:47 am
Big reveal came up today.

Given everything (bad) Call of Duty has done to the industry, given the unforgivable evisceration of Infinity Ward by Activision on essentially criminal legal pretenses, given the primitive technology and narrative poverty the series has collapsed into, it is certainly my wish to see this installment fail.

At the same time I can't help but feel some kind of perverse excitement at all the spectacle. Call it Pavlovian.  :blah:
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Snail on May 13, 2011, 09:34:45 am
To tell the truth, I never finished BlackOps.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: General Battuta on May 13, 2011, 09:36:30 am
That's because it was bad.

Oh man, Kotaku just spoiled the entire plot, apparently it was leaked to them. It is

so

bad
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: JGZinv on May 13, 2011, 10:03:34 am
You mean that plot..... http://kotaku.com/5801345/where-youll-go-how-youll-kill-and-who-will-die-in-modern-warfare-3

Yes it needs to be thrown into a black hole. Hello BF3 here we come....
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Dilmah G on May 13, 2011, 10:19:17 am
Now I'm usually pretty easygoing regarding this kinda stuff, but even I have to admit that this is, er...pushing the boundaries a little far. I read that piece on Kotaku asking myself exactly why Makarov is such a nutcase and why the frak everything is happening.

I preferred the original MW's story, I have to say. Devs need to keep things simple more often. Although it looks like this story might be fun to play (which I thought MW:2 was, hence why it got an easy ride from me), I'll be sure to switch my brain off at the door. They're going to have to be dumber than I imagined if they want to push this franchise into the fourth installment after this...

To tell the truth, I never finished BlackOps.
I thought the B.Ops story was cool by COD standards, but I'd support anyone who'd say that kind of story can be told in a better medium than COD. The earlier CODs were cool, they only pushed the envelope enough for us to think 'Hey, this is preeeettay cool man'. Nowadays they seem to be bent on developing the whole game whilst inserting pure adrenaline into their veins, which starts to decay beyond a certain point which they crossed with MW:2. I hope make this one fun to play through.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: General Battuta on May 13, 2011, 10:23:51 am
I really did like CoD4 (the first MW) quite a bit. I will argue for that game's narrative worth at length.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Scotty on May 13, 2011, 10:37:29 am
Gah, that plot looks like it's just excuse after excuse to add random scenery changes.

Would anyone else prefer it if this installment focused on the conventional war between the U.S. and Russia?  That could be pretty *****in, done right.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: General Battuta on May 13, 2011, 10:39:08 am
Gah, that plot looks like it's just excuse after excuse to add random scenery changes.

Would anyone else prefer it if this installment focused on the conventional war between the U.S. and Russia?  That could be pretty *****in, done right.

battlefield 3
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: SpardaSon21 on May 13, 2011, 11:25:03 am
I hope the Call of Duty series crashes, burns, and finally dies in a fire.  After MW2 and Black Ops, it will be a mercy kill.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: headdie on May 13, 2011, 11:40:32 am
no chance, i understand that Guitar hero was dropped to give them more resources to develop CoD
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: StarSlayer on May 13, 2011, 12:17:50 pm
no chance, i understand that Guitar hero was dropped to give them more resources to develop CoD

Guitar Hero was dropped because they saturated the market with product even though its initial success was driven by casual gamers.  Casual gamers that weren't going to buy 50 different versions of the same basic concept, they where going to buy it once and pull it out of the closet when they have friends over.  There were not enough consumers who were truly hardcore about it to support the rapid deluge of releases both Rock Band and Guitar Hero where making, especially with the massive copy write overhead for all the material.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Scotty on May 13, 2011, 12:22:57 pm
Gah, that plot looks like it's just excuse after excuse to add random scenery changes.

Would anyone else prefer it if this installment focused on the conventional war between the U.S. and Russia?  That could be pretty *****in, done right.

battlefield 3

DICE's stuff has always felt too... shiny, if that makes sense.  I prefer the feel of a Call of Duty game to a Battlefield game.  I would GLADLY play a game that had the CoD engine and feel but a Battlefield story.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: General Battuta on May 13, 2011, 12:35:11 pm
Gah, that plot looks like it's just excuse after excuse to add random scenery changes.

Would anyone else prefer it if this installment focused on the conventional war between the U.S. and Russia?  That could be pretty *****in, done right.

battlefield 3

DICE's stuff has always felt too... shiny, if that makes sense.  I prefer the feel of a Call of Duty game to a Battlefield game.  I would GLADLY play a game that had the CoD engine and feel but a Battlefield story.

That would be the worst thing. The CoD engine is so unforgivably terrible. And the 'feel' you're talking about is simply a product of the fact that you're playing on console and the CoD engine is running at 60 instead of 30 because consoles suck and can't run Frostbite at 60.

Also you are clearly talking out of your ass when you generalize to 'DICE's stuff' because BF2 and 2142 didn't look or feel anything like BC2. Call of Duty games ripped pretty heavily from BF2, it was one of the first things I noticed about the excellent CoD4 - it felt almost exactly like BF2 crossed with CounterStrike.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: PsychoLandlord on May 13, 2011, 01:06:13 pm
Jesus Christ. CoD hasn't been good since UO. Just let this beast die.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: General Battuta on May 13, 2011, 01:11:19 pm
I'm still boggling at the idea that anyone would seriously want to put a Battlefield story (what stories) on a Call of Duty 'engine' (quake 3 with hitscan guns) (http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-psyduck.gif)

Bizarro is that you
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Snail on May 13, 2011, 01:20:09 pm
I dunno the story sounds cool. I'd play it. Probably because I have completely and utterly stopped caring about the MW franchise.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Nuclear1 on May 13, 2011, 01:22:10 pm
Black Ops and Modern Warfare 2 had the occasional cool moments
Spoiler:
Hell, I'll admit, I loved the prison break mission as well as the revelation about Rezhnov in BO, and I still like the last mission of Act 2 from Modern Warfare 2
but the series really is starting to take a nosedive.

I mean, the great thing about the original Modern Warfare and World at War was that they used special effects and amazing scenery to tell a really compelling story.  Black Ops and Modern Warfare 2 used a plot to show off new special effects and scenery.

I'll still play MW3 just for the sake of closure.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: StarSlayer on May 13, 2011, 01:26:29 pm
I read enough reviews to skip MW2 but reading the plot for MW3?

(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Fonzie_jumps_the_shark.JPG)
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Mongoose on May 13, 2011, 02:37:51 pm
I still feel completely comfortable ignoring this entire series, especially after watching my brother play Black Ops multi.  Ugh.

...though that being said, I just picked up the original Call of Duty for PC at a used-book sale. :p
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Turambar on May 13, 2011, 02:58:30 pm
Keep on beating that dead horse, Activision!

I hope they kill Doody like they killed Guitar Hero/Rock Band
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: redalbatross on May 13, 2011, 03:50:45 pm
I really did like CoD4 (the first MW) quite a bit. I will argue for that game's narrative worth at length.

Same here; CoD 4 was one of my favorite FPS games, and considering that I'm not terribly fond of the genre in general, that's saying a lot. But they just had to turn everything up to 11 in MW2. It's like Michael Bay took over the production or something. "Realism? Nah, just make more explosions, that'll distract 'em."
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Snail on May 13, 2011, 04:27:32 pm
So true. MW2 was such Michael Bay game. Which is a real pity because the first one had a great storyline.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: IceFire on May 13, 2011, 06:19:13 pm
I enjoyed the Michael Bayness of MW2. I admit I haven't played MW1 so I assumed that was how the first one was as well. I felt like I was playing in a big action movie like The Rock for example. Everything was definitely turned up to 11 and that seemed to be how it was supposed to be. It's also very cynical and kind of depressing at the same time... but I thought it was compelling for that sort of dark cinematic flair. I take it the first MW was a bit more realistic and less over the top?

Having come into Call of Duty very late on I can say that I really enjoyed MW2's single player and multiplayer but with Black Ops only the multiplayer aspect was compelling along with maybe the last 1/3rd of the single player. Prior to that I was more of a Rainbow Six: Raven Shield sort of FPS player. Battlefield 2 served me pretty well too. I like the spec ops tactical missions the best.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: mxlm on May 13, 2011, 09:33:07 pm
All I remember from 4 is infinite enemy respawns. Ugh.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: IceFire on May 13, 2011, 10:43:29 pm
All I remember from 4 is infinite enemy respawns. Ugh.
Black Ops suffers from this as well. It's obvious and lazy... I didn't see it in Modern Warfare 2. Thankfully. I'm a tactical player who spends his time pushing forward and clearing out a place. If the enemy just respawns it gets silly for me.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: redalbatross on May 13, 2011, 10:58:13 pm
I enjoyed the Michael Bayness of MW2. I admit I haven't played MW1 so I assumed that was how the first one was as well. I felt like I was playing in a big action movie like The Rock for example. Everything was definitely turned up to 11 and that seemed to be how it was supposed to be. It's also very cynical and kind of depressing at the same time... but I thought it was compelling for that sort of dark cinematic flair. I take it the first MW was a bit more realistic and less over the top?

Having come into Call of Duty very late on I can say that I really enjoyed MW2's single player and multiplayer but with Black Ops only the multiplayer aspect was compelling along with maybe the last 1/3rd of the single player. Prior to that I was more of a Rainbow Six: Raven Shield sort of FPS player. Battlefield 2 served me pretty well too. I like the spec ops tactical missions the best.

For a bit of clarification, I really didn't hate MW2. Turning up the mayhem and just blowing everything up isn't always bad (speaking of Michael Bay, Armageddon anyone? I love that movie). But I liked the plausible story of CoD4. The realistic setting and seriousness of everything just meshed well.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: redsniper on May 14, 2011, 12:15:27 pm
Yeah, CoD4 was kind of dark and ****ed up in all the right ways. MW2 was just... tacky.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: SpardaSon21 on May 14, 2011, 12:21:54 pm
I still have my MW1 disk and serial code.  You guys are seriously making me want to re-install it.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: redalbatross on May 14, 2011, 06:14:50 pm
Yeah, CoD4 was kind of dark and ****ed up in all the right ways. MW2 was just... tacky.

The short "shock" missions are the best example, I think.

CoD4: Right after you save a downed chopper pilot and you're feeling awesome about your accomplishments, you get c**kslapped as a crazy terrorist detonates a nuke and you crawl around slowly dying of radiation poisoning.

MW2: Hey look, another nuke goes off...except now you're an astronaut...except you're not, because any rudimentary knowledge about how nukes work in space completely ruins it as you realize that the way things happen is complete crap. I can just imagine the dialogue:

Moronic Dev 1: Wait a minute...how do we top the mission in CoD4 after the nuke goes off?
Moronic Dev 2: Hmm...I KNOW! Put it in space.
Dev1: Space? But that has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the game.
Dev2: Dude, who cares. Space is like bacon, it makes everything better!
Dev1: ...fine.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Snail on May 14, 2011, 06:38:50 pm
Yeah, and what's more the killing of the ISS crew was done by a supposedly good character in some totally retarded hair-brained scheme to save the United States, by nuking it. (!?!)


I actually suspect there was some massive rewriting and re-hashing of the storyline going on behind the scenes that led to MW2's trainwreck.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Dilmah G on May 14, 2011, 08:29:47 pm
I just felt that COD4's storyline was actually 'Modern Warfare', it was proper Spec Ops stuff. Beyond there I think Modern morphed into Quasi-futuristic and as a result everything else began to shatter.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: IceFire on May 14, 2011, 11:20:05 pm
I guess the interesting thing to watch for now is ... will MW3 be a worthy successor to either of it's predecessors or will the drama and developer turnover that occurred at Infinity Ward damage this installment of Call of Duty. Not sure. Battlefield 3 is looking like a strong contender... I may get the one for PS3 and the other for my PC (Battlefield is just such a perfect example of how big a FPS can be on PC).
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: MR_T3D on May 15, 2011, 12:09:57 am
Gah, that plot looks like it's just excuse after excuse to add random scenery changes.

Would anyone else prefer it if this installment focused on the conventional war between the U.S. and Russia?  That could be pretty *****in, done right.

battlefield 3
Pretty sure BF3 is doing NATO vs. China

MAYBE some Russia, but the fault line trailer's opponents are wearing gear very (deliberately, I bet) similar to current PLA.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: IceFire on May 18, 2011, 07:37:53 pm
Battlefield 2 was USMC versus PLA (China) versus MEC (fictional middle eastern coalition army). Maybe they will go for something similar with Battlefield 3? The trailer is kind of ambiguous about who they are fighting there. It may just be a setup anyways for something more intense.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: General Battuta on May 23, 2011, 07:28:29 pm
First trailer's up.

It was pretty much the definition of  :blah:
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Nuclear1 on May 23, 2011, 07:35:37 pm
Eh, if I'm going to be fighting Russians in New York, I'll play Freedom Fighters.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: StarSlayer on May 23, 2011, 08:00:11 pm
Wait why is the SSGN on the surface?



Plus BF3's bass is much more ballsier.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Snail on May 23, 2011, 08:24:25 pm
Expansion pack to MW2. Looks like utter crap.


(London does look a lot like London though)
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: PsychoLandlord on May 23, 2011, 11:14:42 pm
Yes, let us park our whole damn fleet in the harbor of the city our enemy is invading, well within surface weapon range, what could possibly go wrong?

That just looks bad. The one part of this game I was even remotely interested in was the Abrams-related portion, and now I'm even burned out on that.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Dilmah G on May 24, 2011, 04:20:13 am
It scores rather high for me on the coolness scale, I think I'm just about done caring about the story in COD games. Just give me some explosions and cool stuff to do, and I won't give a **** if it's fighting the Chinese in New Zealand with thermonuclear weapons powered by monkeys on bicycles. :P
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: General Battuta on May 24, 2011, 08:07:37 am
It scores rather high for me on the coolness scale, I think I'm just about done caring about the story in COD games. Just give me some explosions and cool stuff to do, and I won't give a **** if it's fighting the Chinese in New Zealand with thermonuclear weapons powered by monkeys on bicycles. :P

It didn't have any particularly cool explosions. The whole thing looked very tired. And you know once you play the game about 40% of your playtime will be covered by the red jelly damage filter.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Dilmah G on May 24, 2011, 08:25:07 am
Maybe to you, I personally liked the atmosphere it was going for, since through a combination of age/maturity/tastes, I find M.Bay-style crap rather palatable. :P
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: General Battuta on May 24, 2011, 08:49:25 am
My point is it's not even very good Michael Bay, it was all basically a rehash of what we've seen before - as opposed to previous Call of Duty titles which at least promised some style and enthusiasm with their bombast. It was boring, the explosions looked bad, and the environments and action were dull.

I think we're probably seeing the effects of having one gutted, demoralized studio being forced to work on a game, assisted by another hired gun studio (Raven) which has worked on every mediocre FPS in the past ten years, assisted by yet another studio formed in panic to help finish the next Call of Duty game.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Turambar on May 24, 2011, 08:53:12 am
Activision: doing it wrong
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Dilmah G on May 24, 2011, 09:06:19 am
My point is it's not even very good Michael Bay, it was all basically a rehash of what we've seen before - as opposed to previous Call of Duty titles which at least promised some style and enthusiasm with their bombast. It was boring, the explosions looked bad, and the environments and action were dull.

I think we're probably seeing the effects of having one gutted, demoralized studio being forced to work on a game, assisted by another hired gun studio (Raven) which has worked on every mediocre FPS in the past ten years, assisted by yet another studio formed in panic to help finish the next Call of Duty game.
Mate, everything after COD4 was a rehash to me. :P But yeah, I see what you're getting at and I acknowledge it, this'll be the last COD game I'm buying, if that.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: General Battuta on May 24, 2011, 09:17:23 am
I'm not going to pretend I'm not going to rent it. (http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-v.gif)
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Snail on May 24, 2011, 09:19:28 am
My interest in CoD has actually dropped to zero. Never finished Black Ops. I'm only posting in this thread because I want to whine about how bad it's become.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Kszyhu on May 24, 2011, 01:19:58 pm
Well, I don't think that majority of players buys CoD titles for their single player mode. I've played Black Ops' (and only that, no MW or MW2) campaign and is was a string of "Look, an explosion! There's another one! It's awesome, right!? Have another one! Look how spectacular they are! And now an chopper destroyed with a rope and piece of metal" with "MASON!! NUMBERS! MASON!!" thrown here and there. Some people will like something similiar in MW3, the rest will ignore it and play multi. So, why should they bother with quality of a campaign?
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Scotty on May 24, 2011, 01:58:52 pm
Play the first MW.  I played  it for the story, and got MW2 hoping for more goodness.  I was disappoint (although still entertained).
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: IceFire on May 24, 2011, 04:15:57 pm
MW2 had a MUCH better singleplayer campaign gameplay experience than Black Ops even if the story didn't make too much sense. I've recently been replaying both so they are listed as complete on my PS3 after I got it back from Sony and Black Ops is more of a chore to me than MW2 which is engrossing and fun in comparison.

I think MW3 will be a buy from me. Battlefield 3 for sure but I always like to have a console shooter to play with my PSN friends and this'll probably be it.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Snail on May 25, 2011, 01:27:35 pm
yeah BlackOps' singleplayer campaign was bollocks
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: NGTM-1R on May 31, 2011, 03:41:53 pm
There's talk of a subscription system.

I'm shaky on details, but it may not be for online play.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: General Battuta on May 31, 2011, 04:59:33 pm
There's talk of a subscription system.

I'm shaky on details, but it may not be for online play.

It's for peripheral stuff surrounding online play, stats tracking and analysis and whatever. It's called CoD Elite.
Title: Re: Modern Warfare 3
Post by: Glowhyena on June 25, 2011, 10:43:50 pm
My interest in CoD has actually dropped to zero. Never finished Black Ops. I'm only posting in this thread because I want to whine about how bad it's become.

Same... :/

MW2 (PC) is the worst series of Call of Duty I have played.