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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Colonol Dekker on November 10, 2011, 05:53:12 am
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http://www.gamingpc.net/buy/Best-Gaming-PC-Nvidia
ARGH.
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give it 5 years and you are looking at average top line-mid line gaming PC in power but without the instruction sets to make best use of it
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This. This is the reason why I more or less only build mid-range computers for myself/people I know. Because high end systems like that are a horrible investment that depreciates wildly and ends up within 100 dollars value of the mid-range system within 3 or 4 years.
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This is what i thought too.
In fact, only this morning. It dawned on me (<3 Dawn -insert trollface) that my phone, which has 350mb of ram, 8GB storage, and a 1Ghz+ CPU has better specs than the PC on which i first installed FreeSpace. :nod:
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Holy **** that price.
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48GB of DDR3 RAM
WUT. Unless you're playing games that are PC exclusive it will have been designed to use < 1GB of RAM. With six cores, I suppose you could just play a could games at the same time. Anyway, for the price I suppose you could easily do worse.
Also same as Dekker. My first FS2 computer had an 800Mhz CPU, 256MB RAM, but 10 whole gigabytes of storage. Good times, man, good times...
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10 gigabytes?! You big pimp! Mine had same specs except there was only a 4GB HDD.
Never forget the very first computer (except the C64 <3 ) with 99MHz processor and a mofo 15" monitor windows 95 installed! (2000,-DM) Awesome times...
But **** that 12000,- computer. New rig will be awesome and costs about 900,-€ - surely lasts up to 4 years (as always).
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On the topic,
I've had this rig since 07.
Where should i start upgrading?
Packard Bell IPower X8620 with the following spec;
Windows Vista Home Premium
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600
8MB of cache
1066 MHz FSB
LGA 775 Socket Motherboard with 2 conventional PCI, 3 PCI Express x1, 1 PCI Express x16 or 2 x 8 (SLI mode)
2048MB DDR2 533 / 667 Mhz Memory
500GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive
8 in 1 Multimedia Card Reader
DVD+/-R9 optical drive
2 x NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600 GS PCI 512MB SLI Graphics Cards (so 1024MB combined dedicated memory)
Realtek ALC 883 integraded sound card
2 x front, 4 x rear USB 2.0 Ports
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My first computer was a Tandy 80286, 8MHz, 640KB RAM, 20MB hard disk, 3 1/2" floppy, DOS 3.20, 16-color monitor.
My second computer was an 80486, 33MHz, 8MB RAM (or was it 16?), 400MB hard disk, a CD-ROM drive (4x?), and a floppy drive, Windows '95, VGA monitor.
Both computers were given to me (so the high-mid range was 133MHz Pentium w/MMX, and the ultra high-end was 166 / 200 MHz range. My Dad had a 100MHz AMD DX4 that somehow out-performed the 133MHz Pentiums at work... well, it was put together custom by someone who knew what they were doing, so that figures.)
EDIT: Sorry for OT, back on-topic:
On the topic,
I've had this rig since 07.
Where should i start upgrading?
Packard Bell IPower X8620 with the following spec;
Windows Vista Home Premium
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600
8MB of cache
1066 MHz FSB
LGA 775 Socket Motherboard with 2 conventional PCI, 3 PCI Express x1, 1 PCI Express x16 or 2 x 8 (SLI mode)
2048MB DDR2 533 / 667 Mhz Memory
500GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive
8 in 1 Multimedia Card Reader
DVD+/-R9 optical drive
2 x NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600 GS PCI 512MB SLI Graphics Cards (so 1024MB combined dedicated memory)
Realtek ALC 883 integraded sound card
2 x front, 4 x rear USB 2.0 Ports
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On the topic,
I've had this rig since 07.
Where should i start upgrading?
Packard Bell IPower X8620 with the following spec;
Windows Vista Home Premium
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600
8MB of cache
1066 MHz FSB
LGA 775 Socket Motherboard with 2 conventional PCI, 3 PCI Express x1, 1 PCI Express x16 or 2 x 8 (SLI mode)
2048MB DDR2 533 / 667 Mhz Memory
500GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive
8 in 1 Multimedia Card Reader
DVD+/-R9 optical drive
2 x NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600 GS PCI 512MB SLI Graphics Cards (so 1024MB combined dedicated memory)
Realtek ALC 883 integraded sound card
2 x front, 4 x rear USB 2.0 Ports
I'd add another 2 GB of RAM, and switch to Win 7.
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On the topic,
I've had this rig since 07.
Where should i start upgrading?
Packard Bell IPower X8620 with the following spec;
Windows Vista Home Premium
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600
8MB of cache
1066 MHz FSB
LGA 775 Socket Motherboard with 2 conventional PCI, 3 PCI Express x1, 1 PCI Express x16 or 2 x 8 (SLI mode)
2048MB DDR2 533 / 667 Mhz Memory
500GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive
8 in 1 Multimedia Card Reader
DVD+/-R9 optical drive
2 x NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600 GS PCI 512MB SLI Graphics Cards (so 1024MB combined dedicated memory)
Realtek ALC 883 integraded sound card
2 x front, 4 x rear USB 2.0 Ports
I'd add another 2 GB of RAM, and switch to Win 7.
I'm on Win 7, courtesy of a certain...................HLP UK event :D
IT handles Crysis 2 quite well at the moment to be honest. I just wish it could run Supreme commander FA a bit better.
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Replace them RAM with the max MHz ones your mainboard can handle.
And buy 1 or 2 9800GTX (pretty cheap now).
I have a similar rig, but I'll replace it completely when the new processors come out.
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Replace them RAM with the max MHz ones your mainboard can handle.
And buy 1 or 2 9800GTX (pretty cheap now).
I have a similar rig, but I'll replace it completely when the new processors come out.
^This. 4Gb should be tons of RAM, your board most likely suppports 800 mhz DDR2 and may even allow you to grab some 1066, though you'd have to manually set the timings and such. After that, yeah 9800s are quite cheap at the moment. You might also take a look at some of the newer generation parts if you want DX11 or some of the other goodies (Eyefinity, etc.).
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Replace them RAM with the max MHz ones your mainboard can handle.
And buy 1 or 2 9800GTX (pretty cheap now).
I have a similar rig, but I'll replace it completely when the new processors come out.
Unless the motherboard supports 1066MHz DDR2, it'd be pointless to get faster RAM. 800MHz for example wouldn't be in sync with the 1066MHz FSB, making 533MHz better choice. Unless of course the FSB is overclocked. Other than that, upgrading to 4GB RAM (8GB if you can) and GPU should give you nice performance bump.
Also, screw 9800GTX. If he's going to upgrade, he probably should look at Radeon 6850/6870 or GeForce 460/560 (non-Ti). Personally I don't recommend SLI or CrossFire, it's way too game and driver dependent and also has microstutter among other small issues.
However, it might be better to save that money to get completely new rig.
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I'm keen on mah Nvidia branding :nod:
Any comments on potential CPU Upgrades?
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i5 2500k is solid CPU if you've got 200 USD. If you really want it (you probably won't need it), 100 more USD will get you just about the same processor except with hyper threading in an i7.
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CPU upgrade I reckon would be rather pointless unless you plan to get new motherboard too. At that point it'd be just better to get new rig entirely. But if you really want to consider CPU upgrade anyway, first you need to look up what motherboard you have and then see what CPU's it supports. Q9650 is potentially the best CPU your motherboard could support, but it may not be worthwhile upgrade over Q6600 unless you can find it real cheap somewhere.
i5 2500k is solid CPU if you've got 200 USD. If you really want it (you probably won't need it), 100 more USD will get you just about the same processor except with hyper threading in an i7.
Wrong socket buddy. He wouldn't be able to put one of these onto his current motherboard.
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Last time I looked the higher end 775 socket quads' prices were hugely inflated in comparison to their performance. Your next CPU upgrade should probably be on your next build.
As a side note, I'm noticing that DDR2 is starting to go up too.
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As a side note, I'm noticing that DDR2 is starting to go up too.
It already has, at least here. Costs a lot more than equivalent DDR3. Sadly.
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There's a couple places up here that still have decent deals on DDR2, but those deals have been evaporating over the last year. Main reason why my current system will never go above 4gb. I'm not spending an arm and a leg to upgrade from my twin 1066mhz G-skills.
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only 2.0 speakers and 1 year warranty? You can drive that price still higher!!! :)
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I'm quite partial to, on sites like these, ticking EVERY high option and comparing the price :lol:
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That's always amusing to do.
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Also, screw 9800GTX. If he's going to upgrade, he probably should look at Radeon 6850/6870 or GeForce 460/560 (non-Ti). Personally I don't recommend SLI or CrossFire, it's way too game and driver dependent and also has microstutter among other small issues.
Why not go for the Ti versions of the GeForce cards? That's a genuine question by the way - I was lead to believe the Ti's are more powerful but don't know if they're that much more expensive etc?
I'm in the market for an upgrade to my graphics card as well - currently on an nVidia 8800GT. I'm looking at either the 560Ti or equivalent ATI card (don't really mind whether it's ATI or nVidia - whatever is better bang-for-buck)...
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A quick look over of benchmarks claims that the 560 Ti is slightly more powerful than a Radeon 6870, and the 560 is just slightly slower. On newegg, 560 Ti is ~50 dollars more than a 560 (non-Ti) or a 6870. I'd argue it's more a matter of brand loyalty at that point.
Only other consideration I can think of is that Nvidia is historically better at openGL. Personally, I would go 560 (non-Ti) or a 6870. Honestly, I would go 6870 as being just a hair faster than a 560 at roughly the same price. But I am a bit of an AMD fanboy, so take that with a grain of salt.
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I've got the 560ti, in my machine, and I'm pretty damned happy with it.
I just wish it had a bit more VRAM.
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Hmm, this is still a pretty tricky one for me I must admit...
GeForce 560
http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/gpu-nvidia/geforce-gtx-560-pci-e-%28336-cores%29
Prices between £130 and £200 for 1GB and 2GB models.
GeForce 560 Ti
http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/gpu-nvidia/geforce-gtx-560-ti-pci-e-%28384-cores%29
Prices between £160 and £300 for 1GB and 2GB models.
ATI 6870
http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/gpu-amd/radeon-hd6870-pci-e-%281120-cores%29
Prices between £140 and £180 for 1GB and 2GB models.
BloodEagle you mentioned VRAM - I presume that's the 1/2GB I've been mentioning? Does it make that large a difference? My current card has 512MB so I guess 1GB is doubling that whilst 2GB would almost certainly future-proof it?
My price ceiling is around £170 but that really is stretching it (although let me put it this way: if £10 gets me a drastically better card, given I've not updated my GPU since I put the 8800GT in, it'd be worth it in the long run). However I really don't want to get up to £190/£200 as I just can't afford it.
In terms of games I'll be looking to run Skyrim, TF2, Mass Effect 2 / 3 etc. etc. as they come out. Also I'll be using PhotoShop, Lightroom and so on but I shouldn't think there's a huge difference one way or the other there...
I really appreciate the help by the way folks - thank you :)
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2GB should provide a nice little security buffer. 1 GB is usually enough, especially for games that are released cross-platform (I did some checking on ME2 once. It never allocated more than 256 MB of VRAM, presumably because that's the maximum for the console versions).
That said, other applications, like PS, may profit a lot more from big VRAM sizes, as that allows the storage of more layers in VRAM.
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512 MB cards are just starting to show their age (I know, I'm running a 4870 512MB), and 1GB cards are starting to be recommended for things.
The main issue is with texture sizes. Providing the memory technology is the same, i.e. GDDR5, the 1 and 2 GB cards *should* perform more or less the same as long as the textures fit within the onboard VRAM. Once you get past that it starts to get into swapping issues which may cause some speed reductions. The 2GB cards may give you a bit more longevity, but only if the processing power of the chip can keep up. If the prices are significantly different, I would stick with the 1GB. I can live with slightly reduced texture details 2 or 3 years down the road. However, YMMV.
EDIT: Ooops. Ninja'd
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I've got a 1GB model. Hang on, let me find it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121424
Note that I'm pretty sure it was a cheaper when I bought it.
It stays cool like you wouldn't believe.
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Anywho, I can play Metro2033 (didn't care for it) on High w/DX11 without any real problems (one or two glitchy areas cause a significant FPS drop, if you look in a very specific direction). I didn't see that there was a 'Very High' option until I finished the game though, so I haven't checked that out.
It's not that I'm running into walls, I'd just like to have that buffer for later on.
Then again, I can always SLI two of these things, if it becomes a problem.
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Why not go for the Ti versions of the GeForce cards? That's a genuine question by the way - I was lead to believe the Ti's are more powerful but don't know if they're that much more expensive etc?
Simple price/performance. You get better performance out of a Ti card, but you have to pay more for it. If you're on budget and especially for upgrades, non-Ti version is still real good choice.
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:bump:
What's a Ti card?
Aaaand,
I'm due an influx of combined inheritance and army pay soooooo, Assuming i am a complete duffer at this sort of thing. I need to buy 2 GB more ram, and 2 x 9800GTX cards?
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'Ti' stands for Titanium, apparently (1 sec of Google, ftw :P). Basically the same as having a 'Platinum Edition' of anything else, I guess.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-amp-edition-gtx-560-directcu-ii-top,2944.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-amp-edition-gtx-560-directcu-ii-top,2944-8.html
I'm running this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121424), and I've noticed no visible slowdown on Ultra in Skyrim, so far. Excluding loading stuttering and that weird, random drop that sometimes occurs when entering interiors, that is.
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I agree with Fury, getting a 9800 GT at this time would be pointless. Not much of an upgrade if it won't last him a while, and 9800 series is getting rather old. I replaced mine almost a year ago, it was old then - an upgrade is pointless if it doesn't offer some future proofing. SLI also makes little sense as a single 560 series would probably outperform dual 9800's. Plus, a single card takes less space in the case, doesn't require a SLI motherboard, needs a lot less power, and will always be usable up to it's full potential. SLI is a marketing gimmick for kids to empty their parent's wallets. Very few situations where it would actually be useful.
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Actually, there was a time that two older SLI cards were cheaper and provided the same if not more performance then one new card. However, this has changed the last few years.
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i updated from a 260 to a 560 with my new rig and ive yet to find a game where ive had any kind of slowdowns at all. i even started turning on aa.
were kind of at this point where games are being crippled to keep it portable with consoles. were actually going to need to see new consoles released before we can get any kinds of graphics enhancements. there are a few pc only games, not that i can name any, but those are exceptions, not the rule.
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I still have my ancient (3.5 years old) GTX 280 because I simply haven't seen any reason to get something better, even though I could easily afford it. All the console ports these days don't need anything faster at 1600x1200, and the few token DX11 features the PC versions have tacked on don't make enough of a difference to justify an upgrade.
In fact, the only reason I might upgrade soon is to get a card with a displayport. I want a large (26"+) 120hz display and there are only 3 or 4 of them out there, and the only one that doesn't have major flaws lacks a DVI port and needs a DP connection. :p The converters out there are expensive and have various issues of their own.