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Title: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: -Sara- on September 27, 2012, 05:03:06 am
It seems Microsoft, after the kinect, now has patented a concept which involves a 360 degrees projection in ones living room, somewhat similar to an actual holodeck from Star Trek. It is supposed to project images all over the room, wich morph according to your furniture and obstacles in the room to compensate and look as lifelike as possible. Awesome or over the top? Workable or a stupid wild idea? Fit for at-home console gaming, or only for special places? It is still an interesting idea.

Quote from: http://arstechnica.com - gaming
... Microsoft's patent application for an "immersive display experience" was published by the US Patent Office last week after being filed back in early 2011. It describes a standard video game system with a connected "environmental display" capable of projecting a panoramic image that "appears to surround the user."

Such a projector wouldn't replace the central TV display used in current consoles, but it would provide a "peripheral image" that would "serve as an extension" of that primary display. The purpose, of course, is to extend the gaming environment outside of the TV screen, so a player could, for instance, "turn around and observe an enemy sneaking up from behind."

The display device as described is integrated tightly with a depth-sensing camera system (read: Kinect) that could even be housed in the same casing as the environmental projector, according to the application. This device could be a standard two-camera, structured-light-sensing system like the current Kinect, or a more sophisticated model that could include "multiple image capture devices" to "stitch a panoramic image from a plurality of captured images" pointed in all directions around the room.

Regardless of the form, the depth-sensing camera described in the patent application aids the environmental projector by sensing the layout and topography of the room. This allows the projector to provide color and distortion correction, so the projected images look correct even when cast against different walls and pieces of furniture ...

Read more. (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/09/microsoft-patent-shows-holodeck-style-full-room-immersive-display/)

Better not knock that china vase off the table while swinging your virtual lightsaber through the living room. Interesting concept though, albeit a bit of a wild dream perhaps. It strikes me a bit like a concept car, you keep the nice bits of the prototype, but it might not become a final product by itself. Though maybe it is suited for 'gaming halls', sort of reviving the passed-away hype that was arcade-halls and laser-gaming. These sort of changes sure do re-define what sets console gaming apart from PC gaming.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: MatthTheGeek on September 27, 2012, 05:08:55 am
Yet-Another-Useless-Gadget, much like Kinect was to begin with. 'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: z64555 on September 27, 2012, 05:15:19 am
Yet-Another-Useless-Gadget, much like Kinect was to begin with. 'Nuff said.

The robotics hobbyists would like a word with you.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Luis Dias on September 27, 2012, 05:16:09 am
It ain't even that. This is just a patent that will never see the light of day. Microsoft's ability to bring their concepts to market is amazingly terrible. The Kinect was an amazing exception.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Alex Heartnet on September 27, 2012, 05:24:29 am
Like the Nintendo DS, Nintendo Wii and Microsoft Kinect, this idea has a great deal of potential, but sadly most of that potential will be squandered on worthless gimmicks rather then anything that would actually add to gameplay experience.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Spoon on September 27, 2012, 11:01:03 am
Yet-Another-Useless-Gadget, much like Kinect was to begin with. 'Nuff said.

The robotics hobbyists would like a word with you.
To tell him what? That he is right? That the kinetic is a useless gadget that has added nothing of value to gaming?
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: z64555 on September 27, 2012, 11:19:00 am
Yet-Another-Useless-Gadget, much like Kinect was to begin with. 'Nuff said.

The robotics hobbyists would like a word with you.
To tell him what? That he is right? That the kinetic is a useless gadget that has added nothing of value to gaming?

Useless to gaming? No, not really. Game developers haven't figured out how to use it properly.

Useless to robotics? Hell no. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWmVrfjDCyw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWmVrfjDCyw)
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 27, 2012, 11:28:07 am
Just what i need, a giant silhouette of me blocking my view when i play............
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Klaustrophobia on September 27, 2012, 11:54:15 am
do not want.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: MatthTheGeek on September 27, 2012, 12:27:52 pm
Useless to gaming? No, not really. Game developers haven't figured out how to use it properly.
Probably because they aren't interested, see no future in it, and see no potential market interested in it.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Spoon on September 27, 2012, 12:31:59 pm
Useless to gaming? No, not really. Game developers haven't figured out how to use it properly.

Oh that must be it then, after all this time its just that all the game developers are retarded and not that the kinetic is a useless gadget.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Polpolion on September 27, 2012, 12:49:40 pm
Yeah, stupid private companies spending money for R&D of things the general public sees no practical use for.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: z64555 on September 27, 2012, 12:52:17 pm
Useless to gaming? No, not really. Game developers haven't figured out how to use it properly.

Oh that must be it then, after all this time its just that all the game developers are retarded and not that the kinetic is a useless gadget.

Or rather, they just don't know what to do with it. IIRC, the laser was a useless gadget when it was first discovered, as was a couple of other gadgets that are now commonplace.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: FireSpawn on September 27, 2012, 01:26:46 pm
Unless I can do this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OCKDEdtWys), I don't want to know.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: An4ximandros on September 27, 2012, 01:41:12 pm
So, because a commoner with no creative vision whatsoever can't see the use of X, we should not research it?

Please see why we should disband useless wastes of money such as cancer research and NA (http://gizmodo.com/5882725/the-miraculous-nasa-breakthrough-that-could-save-millions-of-lives)SA. (http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2006/08/should-we-scrap-nasa-to-save-the-world/)

Edit: yes the second article is a jurassic aged, but you get my point.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Spoon on September 27, 2012, 02:19:02 pm
Who is this 'commoner' with no creative vision you speak of?

Now for all you going "HURK DURK DURP YOU ARE SO DUMB AND STUPID, CAN YOU NOT SEE THE APPLICATIONS FOR THIS DEVICE OUTSIDE OF GAMING!?"
Stop it and at least pretent to read the posts you are replying to.

Kinetic is a useless and ****ty gadget when it comes to gaming. Fullstopperiod.

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/kinect-disconnect

Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Ghostavo on September 27, 2012, 02:29:18 pm
The kinetic is about as useless for mainstream gaming as the joystick is right now.

The lack of widespread adoption of both devices dictates that developers waste their time doing things that the majority of gamers will actually use. If on the other hand the kinetic had been bundled with every XBox...
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: An4ximandros on September 27, 2012, 02:40:53 pm
SPOON: I was talking about the HOLOGRAM research, just because (like NATAL, how many remember that name?) it can't be used for the ****ty mainstream games of now days, it does NOT mean they can't be used for anything else!

Hell, it might not even be useful for a gamer but perhaps for a next generation communications platform or something, think openly, it's not only about gaming! (which if it continues to decline like it has I might forsake all together.)
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Polpolion on September 27, 2012, 02:41:15 pm
Who is this 'commoner' with no creative vision you speak of?

Now for all you going "HURK DURK DURP YOU ARE SO DUMB AND STUPID, CAN YOU NOT SEE THE APPLICATIONS FOR THIS DEVICE OUTSIDE OF GAMING!?"
Stop it and at least pretent to read the posts you are replying to.

Kinetic is a useless and ****ty gadget when it comes to gaming. Fullstopperiod.

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/kinect-disconnect

No one here is obligated to judge an item's value the same way you do, even if it's you they're talking to.

Edit: you know what, before spoon gets here again I will satiate him and say that I agree with him 100%, the kinect is a poor game controller, and it is likely that this will not work well in that fashion either. But I stand by everything else I said as well.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: General Battuta on September 27, 2012, 02:48:56 pm
Kinect, open thread

Kinect, reply to post

Kinect -

****

seriously come on

KINECT OPEN FRUIT NINJAS
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Luis Dias on September 27, 2012, 02:49:52 pm
Kinetic is a useless and ****ty gadget when it comes to gaming. Fullstopperiod.

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/kinect-disconnect

The funny thing is that the video argues in a perpendicular tangent of your comment.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Spoon on September 27, 2012, 04:15:28 pm
Kinetic is a useless and ****ty gadget when it comes to gaming. Fullstopperiod.

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/kinect-disconnect

The funny thing is that the video argues in a perpendicular tangent of your comment.
The real funny thing is that it underlines exactly why the kinetic is a ****ty device for gaming, doing nothing but strengthing my point. Hell, it even ends on the note of "Its **** now, but lets encourage experimenting with it so that it might become useful for a number of applications, even if games dont end up being one of the first places to use them well."

No one here is obligated to judge an item's value the same way you do, even if it's you they're talking to.

Edit: you know what, before spoon gets here again I will satiate him and say that I agree with him 100%, the kinect is a poor game controller, and it is likely that this will not work well in that fashion either. But I stand by everything else I said as well.
Yayifications for the edit.

For the people that need a laugh about how awful the kinetic works for games:
http://youtu.be/VxKRBUzElTU?hd=1

SPOON: I was talking about the HOLOGRAM research, just because (like NATAL, how many remember that name?) it can't be used for the ****ty mainstream games of now days, it does NOT mean they can't be used for anything else!

Hell, it might not even be useful for a gamer but perhaps for a next generation communications platform or something, think openly, it's not only about gaming! (which if it continues to decline like it has I might forsake all together.)
Dude, bro. Where did you ever see me argue against that? All I ever said is that the kinetic is a ****ty useless gadget for gaming. Only z64555 seems to think differently.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Dragon on September 27, 2012, 05:20:40 pm
I heard that another good use for Kinect are exercise "games", basically virtual gym trainers. The thing has it's uses, just not for mainstream gaming. It's the same as with most controllers, really. When was the last time you used a joystick in anything else than a flight game (a dying genre, BTW)? Kinect is recent, so there are few games made for it, and the genres where it can shine simply haven't developed yet.

Also, my dad has an example of even more bizzare and "useless" controller. It's a gizmo which you put on three of your fingers, and which monitors your pulse (among other things). It's essentially a meditation aid, but he's got at least one game where it's used. The gameplay is unusual, to say the least. For example, there's a place where you have to shot an arrow at something, and you have to generally calm down to get a steady aim. I suspect that this kind of games, along with sports ones, could also exploit Kinect to it's full potential (in fact, combining this pulse control device with a light gun and Kinect could produce an excellent sport shooting trainer).
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: headdie on September 27, 2012, 05:37:19 pm
can we remove ourselves from the whole kinect thing guys as from my understanding of the OP it actually has very little to do with the Kinnect in it's current incarnation. The tech concept being discussed by my understanding works more like a 360*360 degree display using projectors and a little spacial mapping to compensate for image distortion in the projection cause by you 7.1 speakers and the spair chair in the corner of the room.

think of it like this.  you are playing freespace 2 (unlikely on an xbox but hear me out) suddenly your right shealds start taking a beating.  as it is you either have to change selected targets, turn your fighter or if you are one of the few here to have trackir or similar move your head to identify what is shooting you and if it is enough of a threat to change targets.  with this the latter is available to anyone with the system and you dont even need any funky head gear to do it. 

tbh that aspect is very doable with current tech and a little R&D to tie it all together into a functional unit.  if it ever hits the market will MS fleas us for it? yes, will it be better to have a dedicated gaming room with minimal furnature? yes but they dont detract that when you think about it this is not such a crazy concept
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: TrashMan on September 28, 2012, 04:59:50 am
Call me once they invent a REAL holodeck.

Of course, once that happens society will collapse. Starting with movie and porn industry.

They would have to wash out the holodeck with a hose every night.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Ghostavo on September 28, 2012, 05:22:02 am
For the people that need a laugh about how awful the kinetic works for games:
http://youtu.be/VxKRBUzElTU?hd=1

Whoever thought of those specific gestures in combination with the use of the controller is the one at fault.

From what I gathered, when the guy stops doing a gesture and starts handling the controller and puts it in front of him, you can see that he makes what looks like a "push back" gesture. For the rest, he is mostly right. The Kinect as it was, was not precise enough to handle all those different inputs.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Luis Dias on September 28, 2012, 06:41:45 am
Kinetic is a useless and ****ty gadget when it comes to gaming. Fullstopperiod.

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/kinect-disconnect

The funny thing is that the video argues in a perpendicular tangent of your comment.
The real funny thing is that it underlines exactly why the kinetic is a ****ty device for gaming, doing nothing but strengthing my point. Hell, it even ends on the note of "Its **** now, but lets encourage experimenting with it so that it might become useful for a number of applications, even if games dont end up being one of the first places to use them well."

It's the difference between staying low and be glad with mediocrity and safe bets, or risking high and crashing down a few times before flying in the sky.

I'm glad the Wright Brothers weren't as cynical as you are being now. But I can still hear his critics: "What a crappy transportation device you have there! It flies for 30 meters before wrecking itself up! Hilarious ****, these fools are just wasting our time"
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: -Sara- on September 28, 2012, 07:03:59 am
Personally I'm more exciting about outdoor digital intuitive games, for example on a city square. I imagine moving past some markers on the square and suddenly lights, projections and sounds are triggered. There's always someone else that moves past a similar marker or such at the same time opposite of you on the square. A game, which is really simple and therefor intuitive (like Pong, Tic-Tac-Toe, simplified Go) starts and the simplicity of the game by itself makes very clear how it is played (Paida rather than Ludus). It cannot be won and it is played by still moving towards wherever you were going, by interacting with the other person passing by. It's fun, good for a laugh and you didn't know that was there or about to happen.

This 'holodeck' dream of Microsoft, while silly by itself, can lead to an example as the above being put into practise, financed by the city itself as a piece of 'digital interactive art'. Sometimes you got to make something silly and crazy which you know won't work or sell, to get new workable ideas which you can put to practise, gained during the process of making something.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Spoon on September 28, 2012, 07:38:21 am
It's the difference between staying low and be glad with mediocrity and safe bets, or risking high and crashing down a few times before flying in the sky.

I'm glad the Wright Brothers weren't as cynical as you are being now. But I can still hear his critics: "What a crappy transportation device you have there! It flies for 30 meters before wrecking itself up! Hilarious ****, these fools are just wasting our time"
Because *every* new invention is going to be the tool of tomorrow, right?
Remember how rad the powerglove was? (http://youtu.be/MYDuy7wM8Gk?t=40s) we sure are using this device today for all our gaming needs and it plays a great part in all our other daily activities!
Using the kinetc for gaming is like using an axe for digging. It's just a bad tool for the job and there are plenty of nicely shaped shovels out there that are better suited for it.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: -Sara- on September 28, 2012, 10:21:58 am
Even though it was a bad invention, Spoon, how do you think cars today would look if companies did not make smooth-shaped-mean-looking concept cars, with all kinds of gimmicks in it? They'd still all be square and angular, like the old Fiat Panda or Trabant and probably wouldn't have automatic braking, adjusting carlights and what not. Sure, everyone laughs at the concept car and only few would want to drive it, but the innovating shape and new gadgets onboard are used for ordinary cars, to make them more modern. :)

Screw-ups allow people to reflect on what works and what does not, but I do agree that Microsoft relied far too much on the idea that the kinect would be succesful by default. Still, nice things may come from all that. Let's hope Microsoft learned of the Kinect and does not throw 5 million holodecks onto the market all at once without selling them.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Luis Dias on September 28, 2012, 11:08:58 am
It's the difference between staying low and be glad with mediocrity and safe bets, or risking high and crashing down a few times before flying in the sky.

I'm glad the Wright Brothers weren't as cynical as you are being now. But I can still hear his critics: "What a crappy transportation device you have there! It flies for 30 meters before wrecking itself up! Hilarious ****, these fools are just wasting our time"
Because *every* new invention is going to be the tool of tomorrow, right?

Congrats, you got it exactly backwards. It's precisely because there's an enormous uncertainty of whether something will work out or not.

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Remember how rad the powerglove was? (http://youtu.be/MYDuy7wM8Gk?t=40s) we sure are using this device today for all our gaming needs and it plays a great part in all our other daily activities!

I always thought the powerglove DOA. The Kinect, however, has sold more than 20 million. That's more than 2 billion dollars of revenue. Yeah, it is exactly like the Powerglove. OH WAIT IT ISN'T.

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Using the kinetc for gaming is like using an axe for digging. It's just a bad tool for the job and there are plenty of nicely shaped shovels out there that are better suited for it.

Right. Well, if you say so, who am I to disagree.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Spoon on September 28, 2012, 11:41:29 am
Right. Well, if you say so, who am I to disagree.
Me and *everyone else* in this thread says so smartass.

But I wish you a great deal of fun playing the great lineup of kinect games, Luis.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Luis Dias on September 28, 2012, 11:44:18 am
Me and *everyone else* in this thread says so smartass.

Did you even bothered to read the thread you are furiously replying to?

Clearly you didn't.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Spoon on September 28, 2012, 11:48:54 am
Me and *everyone else* in this thread says so smartass.

Did you even bothered to read the thread you are furiously replying to?

Clearly you didn't.
Holy ****. Really? Did *you* read it? I am seriously about to just accuse you of trolling at this point.

Since you clearly *can't* read I'll quote a few people from this thread:
Yet-Another-Useless-Gadget, much like Kinect was to begin with. 'Nuff said.
Like the Nintendo DS, Nintendo Wii and Microsoft Kinect, this idea has a great deal of potential, but sadly most of that potential will be squandered on worthless gimmicks rather then anything that would actually add to gameplay experience.
The kinetic is about as useless for mainstream gaming as the joystick is right now.

The lack of widespread adoption of both devices dictates that developers waste their time doing things that the majority of gamers will actually use. If on the other hand the kinetic had been bundled with every XBox...
Edit: you know what, before spoon gets here again I will satiate him and say that I agree with him 100%, the kinect is a poor game controller, and it is likely that this will not work well in that fashion either. But I stand by everything else I said as well.
Kinect, open thread

Kinect, reply to post

Kinect -

****

seriously come on

KINECT OPEN FRUIT NINJAS

How much more proof do you need that you are alone in your "kinetc is actually a good gaming input device" argument?
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Luis Dias on September 28, 2012, 11:50:14 am
That's not even... sigh... whatever Spoon. Whatever.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: headdie on September 28, 2012, 11:55:06 am
Me and *everyone else* in this thread says so smartass.

Did you even bothered to read the thread you are furiously replying to?

Clearly you didn't.
Holy ****. Really? Did *you* read it? I am seriously about to just accuse you of trolling at this point.

Since you clearly *can't* read I'll quote a few people from this thread:
Yet-Another-Useless-Gadget, much like Kinect was to begin with. 'Nuff said.
Like the Nintendo DS, Nintendo Wii and Microsoft Kinect, this idea has a great deal of potential, but sadly most of that potential will be squandered on worthless gimmicks rather then anything that would actually add to gameplay experience.
The kinetic is about as useless for mainstream gaming as the joystick is right now.

The lack of widespread adoption of both devices dictates that developers waste their time doing things that the majority of gamers will actually use. If on the other hand the kinetic had been bundled with every XBox...
Edit: you know what, before spoon gets here again I will satiate him and say that I agree with him 100%, the kinect is a poor game controller, and it is likely that this will not work well in that fashion either. But I stand by everything else I said as well.
Kinect, open thread

Kinect, reply to post

Kinect -

****

seriously come on

KINECT OPEN FRUIT NINJAS

How much more proof do you need that you are alone in your "kinetc is actually a good gaming input device" argument?

Kinect is good in concept and works well when employed correctly, albeit it needs a little refinement, the problem is that is dosnt work well with the traditional sit on your arse gaming.  It's like saying a a stearing wheel is a load of rubish as a concept because it is less than optimal for FPS games.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Spoon on September 28, 2012, 11:58:28 am
That's not even... sigh... whatever Spoon. Whatever.
No see, that is *exactly it*
Cause if it isn't, what exactly are you trying to argue? That the device might have a use outside of gaming? Cause if you are trying to argue that then you've proven that your reading skills are again subpar.

If not, I have no idea what exactly you are trying to argue. Just that you seem to be disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. aka trolling

Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Luis Dias on September 28, 2012, 12:16:40 pm
It's a ridiculous discussion, and I forfeit it. I'm not going to spend more neurons on defending something I don't even care that much about.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Polpolion on September 28, 2012, 12:18:48 pm
oh lol. congratulations spoon, you win!
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Luis Dias on September 28, 2012, 12:21:30 pm
oh lol. congratulations spoon, you win!

And no single **** was given.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Spoon on September 28, 2012, 12:55:38 pm
Hooray, I r a winner.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Luis Dias on September 28, 2012, 12:59:50 pm
(You forgot the hashtag #winning)
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Spoon on September 28, 2012, 01:03:43 pm
I'm too unsocial for social media!
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Luis Dias on September 28, 2012, 01:07:25 pm
So you'd rather socialize in a forum? Eh!
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: -Sara- on September 28, 2012, 01:37:47 pm
So, on topic, wouldn't a projector of that size and capability use an insane wattage?
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Spoon on September 28, 2012, 02:01:41 pm
So you'd rather socialize in a forum? Eh!
  :nervous:
You kinda got me there.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Luis Dias on September 28, 2012, 02:04:17 pm
#winning
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Spoon on September 28, 2012, 02:05:54 pm
 :p
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Scourge of Ages on September 28, 2012, 03:38:43 pm
I'm wondering what possible benefits this could have over a VR system like Oculus Rift. Maybe for multiple people it'd be useful, but only if it looked really good and nobody's shadow got in the way. Basically if it were a full holodeck (visual) experience it could beat a VR headset, in my mind.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Mongoose on September 28, 2012, 04:40:39 pm
I'm strongly doubting the ability to properly account for the room furniture.  That goes double if you have something like a dark brown suede couch...how the hell is a projector supposed to show up well on that?
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: -Sara- on September 28, 2012, 05:18:13 pm
But hey, it's still Microsoft.. just imagine. BLUE errmm.. ROOM OF DOOM?

(http://i.imgur.com/G7gd1.jpg)
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Mongoose on September 28, 2012, 07:47:19 pm
I've seen BSODs in Times Square, but that would be a whole new level. :D
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Ghostavo on October 02, 2012, 10:38:46 am
I was reading the following article (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/10/includification-bringing-video-games-to-players-with-disabilities/) and the comment quoted below made me think about the role of these types of interfaces in future titles.

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Quoted from KevinM1
The elephant in the room is the ever increasing emphasis on motion controls and gesture controls. As a physically disabled gamer myself, this shift into a more 'natural' interface (natural for whom?) worries me. Gaming is one of the few activities I can engage in where I'm more or less on par with other people. Yet, all I see is an effort to leave people like me behind as technology progresses.

It's maddening, as despite the tech itself being used for adaptive uses - the Kinect is being used for some truly inspiring things - it will likely never be used in that way for games due to essentially no ROI for the developers.

It's something I've never thought of, that the trend towards natural interfaces while enabling a portion of the population, is also disenfranchising another.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Mikes on October 02, 2012, 11:35:28 am
Augmented reality will be a uh ... reality (lol) way faster than neural interface will be (if those will ever be ;) ).
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: MatthTheGeek on October 02, 2012, 02:58:02 pm
Augmented reality is just a vague term...

I could say my corrective glasses are an augmented reality device.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: SpardaSon21 on October 02, 2012, 04:26:29 pm
When AR is finally working, I anticipate the entire Internet saying, "My reality is augmented." :P
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on October 03, 2012, 10:01:33 am
When AR is finally working, I anticipate the entire Internet saying, "My reality is augmented." :P
You, sir, win an internet :)
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Mikes on October 03, 2012, 01:50:35 pm
Augmented reality is just a vague term...

I could say my corrective glasses are an augmented reality device.

It is a vague term... but in essence it's no more no less than having a virtual overlay over the real world. Some phones with Cameras can already do that - to some extent - as a feature in some navigation and similar apps.

There are also already some location based games that use real map data and GPS to make you, for example, run away from virtual zombies in the real world... zombies which right now, you can only see by looking at your phone ;)

If those Google glasses are a hit it may be another exploding market spawning all kinds of gadgets and games.
Title: Re: Microsoft may want to make Holodeck(esque) game environment to follow up kinect.
Post by: Beskargam on October 03, 2012, 02:37:04 pm
I was reading the following article (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/10/includification-bringing-video-games-to-players-with-disabilities/) and the comment quoted below made me think about the role of these types of interfaces in future titles.

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Quoted from KevinM1
The elephant in the room is the ever increasing emphasis on motion controls and gesture controls. As a physically disabled gamer myself, this shift into a more 'natural' interface (natural for whom?) worries me. Gaming is one of the few activities I can engage in where I'm more or less on par with other people. Yet, all I see is an effort to leave people like me behind as technology progresses.

It's maddening, as despite the tech itself being used for adaptive uses - the Kinect is being used for some truly inspiring things - it will likely never be used in that way for games due to essentially no ROI for the developers.

It's something I've never thought of, that the trend towards natural interfaces while enabling a portion of the population, is also disenfranchising another.

I think this can go both ways. My dad is disabled, stroke, paraylized on the right side. He can't use traditional controls, but can use more "natural controls" such as the wii controllers. don't have a kinect, but I think that would work for him as well. So I think this depends on both the individual's situation. would it be possible for a third party to make a sort of  software/hardware "plugin" that would make it easier for disabled people to play?