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Title: Inferno: Nostos Discussion 1
Post by: Woomeister on January 19, 2013, 04:59:09 am
Inferno: Nostos arrives this summer!
The Inferno Team would like to officially announce that Inferno: Nostos, the 10th anniversary remake of the original Inferno: Release 1 will be launching this summer 2013 in time for the 10th anniversary of the original R1 release. The conclusion of the campaign from the arrival of the Gigas onwards will be a seperate release at a later date to allow us to push the quality of the conclusion to maximum.


Features:
Missions: 30
- Complete standalone mod package that doesn't require the original FS2 Retail or Media VPs to run
- Improved missions from the original R1 and more brand new missions, more than doubling the original R1 campaign length
- One of the largest modpack fleets ever assembled surpassing the original FS2 retail ship limits
- Improved HTL versions of R1 models and many more new ones
- Brand new weapon effects and new weapon designs as well as revamped R1 classics
- Several new music tracks as well as upgraded R1 music

Required:
FSOpen 3.6.14 Inferno build or higher (Windows build included in download)

Differences to R1
- General Quality increase in the main campaign, both Freding and story wise
- New ships and some ships replaced
- Inclusion of more FS2 era assets such as the Deimos
- Campaign increased from 14 to 30 missions
- Surviving R1 missions brought up to the standard of the new ones (note: not all R1 missions are in the new campaign)
- Campaign ends with the end of the EA war and not the arrival of the Gigas


Ship List:
Below is a complete list of the contents of the Nostos ship.tbl split into FS1/2 Retail ships, ships that were in INFR1 and ships that are not from FS2 and INFR1.
Note that this list is not final and so may have a few additional changes before the summer release.

FS1/FS2Retail:
GTB Artemis ADv
GTB Boanerges
GTS Hygeia
GTC Aeolus
GTCv Demios
GTSG Mjolnir
GTFR Triton
TC-TRI
GTM Hippocrates
GTSC Faustus
GTA Charybdis
GTG Zephyrus
GTI Arcadia
GTT Argo
GTNB Pharos
GTEP Hermes
EAS Centaur
GVF Serapis
GVB Sekhmet
GVC Mentu
GVCv Sobek
GVD Hatshepsut
GVA Setekh
GVFr Bes
VAC 5
GVFr Satis
GVG Anuket
GVSG Edjo
GVEP Ra
SF Scorpion
SF Dragon
SF Mara
SF Basilisk
SF Aeshma
SF Manticore
SF Astaroth
SB Shaitan
SB Nephilim
SB Seraphim
SFr Asmodeus
SFr Dis
ST Azrael
SG Rahu
SC Lilith
SC Rakshasa
SCv Moloch
SD Ravana
SSD Lucifer
SJ Sathanas
Shivan Comm Node

INFR1:
GTF Vesuvius
GTF Perseus ADv
GTF Banshee
GTF Alves
GTB Jotun
GTCv Phobos
GTD Icelus
GTD Boreas
GTSD Odin
GTI Arcas
GTI Ishtar (GTI Melia)
EAF Claymore
EAF Claymore Mark II
EAF Stentor
EAB Peregrine
EAB Gagana
EAC Eclipse
EAC Aesacus
EACv Skotas (EACv Darkness)
EAD Lindos
EAD Tereus
EASD Nemesis
EAFr Belus
EAI Lycaon
GVF Mihos
GVF Ennead
GVB Petbe
GVD Apothess
SF Hydra
SF Serpent
SF Gorgon
SB Durja
SD Kismat
SI Arachnas

New:
GTF Mihos
GTF Ezechiel
GTF Hercules Mark III
GTF Graea
GTF Daedalus
GTB Rhea
GTB Surt
GTB Euryale
GTB Stheno
GTC Halcyone
GTSD Bastion
GTCa Lenaeus
GTExX
GTExC
GTExA
GTExR
Terran Comm Station
EAF Claymore Mark III
EAF Aurora
EAF Proteus
EAF Siope
EAB Aetna
EAB Lonchos
EAB Titanis
EAC Soter
EACv Kyrios
EAD Basileus
EACa Tyrannos
EACa Auriga
EAT Corvus
EAFr Titus
EASC Minoa
EAM Asklepios
EASG Gungnir
EAI Cepheus
EAI Timoros
EAEP Mercury
GVF Inpu
GVF Imset
GVF Onuris
GVB Hesat
GVS Acacia
GVCv Imuit
SF Succubus
SF Ashtur
SF Ifrit
SF Harpy
SB Kahlan
SC Gania
SC Lamia
SCv Armaros
SSD Vidyadhar


Q. What happened to the Gigas and Icanus?
A. The Gigas model is incomplete and the Icanus has not been started, since these will cause a large delay they have been removed for now and will be included in the 2nd release.

Q. What happened to the super carriers?
A. Gone and probably won't be coming back, the smaller carriers will have a larger role instead.

Q. Why are there few Vasudan ships?
A. The Vasudan fleet is still being worked on and most of it isn't required till the latter half of the campaign, to allow more time to bring these up to quality unused Vasudan assets will not be included in the first release.



Current Status:
Missions are around 2/3rds fully complete with most missions 1-20 in final bug testing phase and the rest in progress.
Models we are waiting on the final 10 HTL models, most are in the final modelling phase or in the texturing phase.

Q. Do we require testers?
A. Not at this point in time no.

Q. Could we use some help in other areas?
A. We could really use anyone who has experience in model convertion using either 3DS Max or Blender, we could also possibly use an artist capable of designing a high quality EA logo or CB animations.

(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan01.jpg)
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan02.jpg)
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan03.jpg)
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan04.jpg)
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan05.jpg)
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan06.jpg)
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan07.jpg)
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan08.jpg)
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan09.jpg)
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan10.jpg)
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan11.jpg)
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan12.jpg)
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan13.jpg)
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/R1U/Screens/NostosJan14.jpg)
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on January 19, 2013, 05:39:41 am
Woot, finally the legendary Inferno will be playable again! I'm eagerly looking forward to this, never played the original :nervous:
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: MatthTheGeek on January 19, 2013, 05:51:58 am
I have never been optimistic about INF, but I hope you guys will prove me wrong !
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Legate Damar on January 19, 2013, 06:46:27 am
Looking very very nice
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Killer Whale on January 19, 2013, 07:00:35 am
But it's summer now :-(
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 19, 2013, 07:05:03 am
Then Winter for you then  :D
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Black Wolf on January 19, 2013, 07:05:41 am
But it's summer now :-(

Yeah, these seasonal releases are always six months late. :(
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Veers on January 19, 2013, 09:52:26 am
I'm happy my built-in release translator works. Summer instantly became Winter in my mind.
And my room dropped a good 20 degrees celsius as well. :)

Can't wait to play Inferno. Have heard so much about the Original, and cant wait to finally see what I've been missing out on. :)
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Rhys on January 19, 2013, 01:01:38 pm
I can't wait to go to the Tech Room and look at all the big shiny ships.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Apollo on January 19, 2013, 03:54:20 pm
I can't wait to steal all the models!
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Lepanto on January 19, 2013, 04:02:20 pm
This certainly ought to be epic. I do not want to wait, and yet I must.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 19, 2013, 04:09:33 pm
I can't wait to steal all the models!
Good luck with that since there will be more for the 2nd release :p
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Jellyfish on January 19, 2013, 06:00:54 pm
Dare I ask how many more?
Will the cut fleets (SOC, Ancients) feature again?
Why are there two Mihos?
Am I asking too many questions?
Should we start a fund for the treatment of abused ship.tbl?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 19, 2013, 06:20:44 pm
Will the cut fleets (SOC, Ancients) feature again?
No for the SOC fleet (though the SOC will) but yes for the Ancients. The Ancients fleet will feature in a sub-campaign called Gateways which may release at the same time as the 2nd release depending on how things go, if not it'll be the next release after that. The Ancients fleet consists of mostly Inferno Ancients ships upgraded by the ASW team and a few of their specific ships as well, but not the entire ASW Ancient fleet.

Why are there two Mihos?
One's Terran and carries Terran only weapons, the other is Vasudan and carries Vasudan only weapons
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Mongoose on January 20, 2013, 02:25:00 am
Woohoo!  A true summer blockbuster! :D
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Deepstar on January 20, 2013, 04:28:46 am
Yeah, finally :) I am looking forward to it :)

Inferno R1 was always the only true FreeSpace 2 Sequel for me :)
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: starbug on January 20, 2013, 12:34:55 pm
Yay awesomes news, doing my happy dance!
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Black_Yoshi1230 on January 20, 2013, 07:04:18 pm
Yay, new Inferno. It's going to be fun to torch a lot of pilots and crew.

I wonder what kind of logo you'll want for the Earth Alliance... is it going to be another bird with its talons over Earth? Or are you going to have some swirly-galaxy logo with Earth in the center? Or will it be like the logo from Babylon 5?

That massive amount of ships, there be a lot of lore to cover... whew.

Also, since I like to change the color of my HUD elements... are you going to provide some "fiery" HUD schemes or do you have any recommendations on how I should change them?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Jellyfish on January 20, 2013, 11:19:09 pm
Will the superbombers make an appearance in Release 2?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Lorric on January 21, 2013, 12:04:11 am
Good luck.

When I joined HLP just over a year ago, it was recommended to me to wait until this gets it's remake. I've stayed away from Inferno entirely since then to avoid spoilers and will continue to do so. However, it looks like much of the campaign will be fresh and new anyway.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 21, 2013, 05:23:40 am
I wonder what kind of logo you'll want for the Earth Alliance... is it going to be another bird with its talons over Earth? Or are you going to have some swirly-galaxy logo with Earth in the center?
Right now we're quite open to anything, but we don't have a dedicated artist to make things like logos and cb anis, and there's a lot of cb anis this time.

Will the superbombers make an appearance in Release 2?
For the Terrans the Jotun is the super bomber, it's much larger now than it used to be at 104m long. Making it the 2nd largest bomber (the Vindhyachal is 3rd largest at 94m)
The EA one is there too, though that's smaller at 73m, the rest will be added with R2.
The Stheno will be the main large bomber for the GTVA during the Nostos campaign and that's 56m long. The Jotun's for later but the mesh is ready and 100% complete so we might as well include it.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Rodo on January 21, 2013, 07:33:31 am
Right now we're quite open to anything, but we don't have a dedicated artist to make things like logos and cb anis, and there's a lot of cb anis this time.

Have you tried asking Jessnec?, he did some very nice cbanis for Syrk back when that project was alive.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 21, 2013, 08:02:07 am
He's upgrading our weapon effects still right now. Though most of those are done it's mostly secondary weapon trail effects now.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: mr.WHO on January 21, 2013, 11:19:43 am
woohoo - I thought I won't live to that moment. Now I have to stay alive till summer.

Anyway, what are the settings of those screenshots? Did Blue Planet spoiled me or are these a low settings screenshots?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 21, 2013, 11:24:42 am
Default launcher settings, using glow, shine and normal maps and slight reduction in ambient factor, why?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: mr.WHO on January 21, 2013, 11:48:50 am
Well the first screenshot is kinds scary ugly (epecially the flame/explosion).
The capship textures (maybe except Shivan) also seems to be not so detailed (Shivan also, but these are not as visible as others).
As for the rest they are OK, but as I said the Blue Planet graphic spoiled me much.
I'll play the Inferno anyway (10 frikin' years of waiting comes to the end).

Edit: Lindos Texturing seems to be nice, but I can't say why the other capship textures looks bad/overstreched for me.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Jellyfish on January 21, 2013, 11:56:47 am
For the Terrans the Jotun is the super bomber, it's much larger now than it used to be at 104m long. Making it the 2nd largest bomber (the Vindhyachal is 3rd largest at 94m)
The EA one is there too, though that's smaller at 73m, the rest will be added with R2.
The Stheno will be the main large bomber for the GTVA during the Nostos campaign and that's 56m long. The Jotun's for later but the mesh is ready and 100% complete so we might as well include it.
What happened to the Notus? Was it scrapped?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 21, 2013, 11:58:05 am
Well we use tilemaps as there's no way we'd get high quality UV textures done for this many ships and manage a release date, there's nothing we can do about that unless 5 or more texture artists decided to volunteer to redo all the capships, freights and transports etc

You'd be looking at around 40 ships just for the first release alone, so that's a massive job, well unless you want use to delay it another 5-10 years :p
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 21, 2013, 11:59:13 am
What happened to the Notus? Was it scrapped?
Notus was removed before the production of this version of Inferno began, there's no real need for it and it was actually smaller than the current Jotun is :nervous:
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woolie Wool on January 22, 2013, 12:24:27 am
I know you're using a stretched version of the HTL Jotun for this but could you also release the "short" Jotun in some form?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: MatthTheGeek on January 22, 2013, 02:01:20 am
Depending how how it was streched, you could always re-tweak it back to "normal" with PCS2's rescaling functions.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 22, 2013, 04:21:06 am
You'll have tiny cockpit people doing that though.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: NGTM-1R on January 22, 2013, 05:04:52 am
You'll have tiny cockpit people doing that though.

Like the existing cockpit people are all that consistent for most things.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 22, 2013, 05:24:33 am
Yeah but there would be a real noticeable difference between the Jotuns and the other Inferno ships if it was shrunk
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woolie Wool on January 22, 2013, 05:10:26 pm
Depending how how it was streched, you could always re-tweak it back to "normal" with PCS2's rescaling functions.

Only the fuselage is stretched, and it seems like it was elongated by hand, rather than stretched using a transform function. However, they also showed a version of the model with the original proportions, which is the one I'm thinking of.

Also, wasn't the original Jotun actually 55 m, not 70 like some people believed? The thruster flames added length to it.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: mr.WHO on January 24, 2013, 11:03:25 am
Umh, would it be possible to have teaser/techroom entry + 1 screenshot for like 2-3 ships once a week? Thsi would make waiting for summer a bit easier.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 24, 2013, 11:18:56 am
Y U NO JOTUN?

 :'(
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 24, 2013, 05:44:25 pm
Umh, would it be possible to have teaser/techroom entry + 1 screenshot for like 2-3 ships once a week? Thsi would make waiting for summer a bit easier.
At the moment no, a large chunk of our fleet has corrupted UV on their turrets caused by 3DS Max conversion for resmoothing the meshes, we'll have it fixed before release but we can't produce teaser shots of the affected ships until it's fixed. We actually want to replace the entire turret set with new high poly turrets but we don't have anyone dedicated to returreting everything.

There's also some stuff in that list we don't want to show before release, though one of those isn't finnished yet so we couldn't show it anyway :)
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 28, 2013, 02:21:43 pm
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/Jotunsize.jpg)
For those wondering there's the Jotun next to a few of the other larger bombers. The Jotun has 6 turrets and is the only bomber that carries the Executioner. The Stheno is similar to the original R1 Jotun in size, and appears near the end of the first half of the campaign. The Jotun won't arrive officially till the latter half of the 2nd release.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Apollo on January 28, 2013, 02:52:12 pm
oooh shiny :yes:

The Titanis looks like a larger version of the Peregrine.

EDIT: Maybe you could show us a front view of the Jotun? The old one looked like it was about to punch you in the face and I can't tell if that particular... feature's been retained.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woolie Wool on January 28, 2013, 05:08:19 pm
The shorter variant of this Jotun model still exists, right?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 28, 2013, 05:18:42 pm
Maybe you could show us a front view of the Jotun? The old one looked like it was about to punch you in the face and I can't tell if that particular... feature's been retained.
(http://inferno.hard-light.net/Jotunfront.jpg)

The shorter variant of this Jotun model still exists, right?
I never received it, so if anyone has it it'll probably be Rampage.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Apollo on January 28, 2013, 05:30:44 pm
Original:
(http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/images/Gtbjotun.jpg)

(http://inferno.hard-light.net/Jotunfront.jpg)

Nope, it doesn't look angry anymore. I guess it's because you got rid of the mouth pattern.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 28, 2013, 05:34:41 pm
There's no actual space for the mouth on the new version. Underneath the cockpit is pretty flat and 2 of its primary guns are there.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Apollo on January 28, 2013, 08:45:02 pm
Oh.

Just out of curiosity, does the Titania have any turrets?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Droid803 on January 28, 2013, 09:31:03 pm
it has 3
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 29, 2013, 07:27:32 am
Can you rename the release to Inferno JOTUN!!!!!?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 29, 2013, 07:40:28 am
No, cause the Jotun isn't used in any of the missions :p
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 29, 2013, 07:57:24 am
Inferno JOTUN!!!!! teaser-promo?

Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Jellyfish on January 29, 2013, 11:59:15 am
Why JOTUN!!!!!? Ten bucks say the Shivan superbomber is even bigger. Unless it's still the Vindhy.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 29, 2013, 12:04:06 pm
It is bigger yeah.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 30, 2013, 02:36:14 am
Why JOTUN!!!!!? Ten bucks say the Shivan superbomber is even bigger. Unless it's still the Vindhy.


JOTUN!!!!! is teh sex is why.





In all srsnss, i'm genuinely excited to hear that this is all going strongly. Inferno + Icanus = one of my fondest :jaw: FS2 memories. Will you still feature nanojumps? Nanojumps make me smile too.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on January 30, 2013, 04:28:53 am
Will you still feature nanojumps? Nanojumps make me smile too.
2nd release for that, and it's only being used once.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 30, 2013, 05:46:28 am
Aw boooooo  :(

I'd like a mission with four+ concurrent nanojumps, each emergence unleashing a heavy beam salvo.


Would be, AWESOMESAUCE!



Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: est1895 on May 24, 2013, 03:42:27 pm
I am curious if the new Inferno will be out this Summer?   :nod:  :yes: ;7
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on May 24, 2013, 04:46:47 pm
Well it depends on when we get the last few models mapped. We have 2 done so far but are further behind schedule than I hoped we would be at this point.
So hopefully yes, if not soon after.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Rampage on May 24, 2013, 10:56:12 pm
Indeed the last few models that require completion are quite big endeavors, and certain members (such as myself) have RL issues to attend to.  But it will be released in all its glory (and it is quite glorious) in the best shape possible.

R
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Knarfe1000 on August 28, 2013, 08:24:52 am
Sorry for my noobishness, but what does "Nostos" mean?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: The Dagger on August 28, 2013, 08:32:15 am
It's greek for "homecoming": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostos)
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Rampage on August 28, 2013, 10:36:03 am
It's more of a dev codename. The final release will most likely be simply known as Inferno.

R
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on August 29, 2013, 04:34:10 am
We didn't want to call it 'release 1' 're-release 1', 'release 2' or anything like that to prevent confusion.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Rampage on August 29, 2013, 01:56:43 pm
Subsequent releases will be done through patches. These patches will include new ships, upgrades to existing ships, changes to missions, and of course new missions to continue the storyline.  We wanted to go for this model instead of the evenly distributed R1, R2, etc. so to shorten wait time.

R
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Jellyfish on August 29, 2013, 09:48:35 pm
More or less like the acts in War in Heaven?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Rampage on August 30, 2013, 07:16:43 am
Similar, but we want to update the older missions as needed based on fan feedback (eg balance, etc).  The storyline might have minor changes and refinement (Eg character development) later.

R

R
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Cobra on September 02, 2013, 02:34:33 am
Hey guys.

Summer's almost over.

The hell's my flame of hell.

:P
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 09, 2013, 11:39:48 am
Hey guys.

Summer's almost over.

The hell's my flame of hell.

:P

September equals Autumn / Fall in my book. Soooo, where's the beef?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Lorric on September 09, 2013, 11:47:36 am
I know I saw it said somewhere, probably in this thread, that they're not going to make the summer deadline.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: starbug on September 09, 2013, 04:18:31 pm
Yeah Woo, meantioned that they would likely miss the Summer deadline and where now just focused to get it out by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: CT27 on September 09, 2013, 05:42:21 pm
By Halloween maybe?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Nyctaeus on September 09, 2013, 05:59:08 pm
By Halloween maybe?
When it's done :P
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: starbug on September 10, 2013, 01:34:18 am
As betrayal says the mod will be done when its done. I am sure they are working very hard to get it done, but remember they all have real lifes which must come first and they work on this in their spare time. Please just be patient :)
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: CT27 on September 10, 2013, 04:28:32 am
Sorry, I won't pester them again.  I'm just really looking forward to it. :D 
It's my most anticipated campaign to play (though Dusk Wars 2 is a close second).


Just out of curiosity, do you know what the size of the campaign will be?  Around 1GB?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on September 10, 2013, 05:25:14 pm
Compressed? I'm not sure yet.
Uncompressed the main data folder is over 4GB right now.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Cobra on September 10, 2013, 05:28:37 pm
About how large BP is... but with voice acting... Holy crap. D:
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on September 10, 2013, 05:41:14 pm
Well remember that this is a standalone build so it has to include all the FSU models and maps from the mediavps with it. 2.11GB of that size is the maps folder on its own since we're using many 4096 and 2048 size textures
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: MatthTheGeek on September 10, 2013, 06:17:15 pm
Wait, nuINF is standalone ?

What is the point of going standalone if you're going to carry with you all the stuff you were trying to separate from to begin with.

All the while removing the data sharing and easy upgrade capacity the use of the MVPs give you.

Not to mention the legality of using so much retail FS stuff on something standalone.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on September 10, 2013, 06:32:15 pm
Because when this decision was made was when INF Builds were not the norm and would break other mods pilot files. To prevent that from happening it was decided to make it not run on top of regular SCP.

Media vps aren't actually compatible with the mod due to the changing from FS2 retail tilemap naming conventions which broke all the ships (we use the original FS2 retail names still) so we'd have to edit 150+ pof files to use the tilemap package that is now classed as legacy and so we run the risk of it getting removed at some point, so we'd have to include all those maps in our base install cause they are required for it to work.
The music tbm also seems to have issues working with our music.tbl and causes an outright ctd when used together. The HTL Arcadia that's going to be used in the media vps isn't compatible with our extensions, so we can't outright use all the mediavp versions of specific models as well.

Not much of FS2 retail is left there now actually, most of the FS2 retail models still used are replaced with community upgraded ones from the media vps, and that's a small chunk of the total ship list. The only major files still used are the basic interface art for all the menus.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: CT27 on September 10, 2013, 08:54:30 pm
So this will be like Wing Commander Saga standalone in that we won't even need a copy of FS2 to play Inferno:  Nostos?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Nyctaeus on September 12, 2013, 12:54:55 pm
Exactly. You just need decent computer and OpenGL drivers, like recent FSO and newest mods.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: CT27 on September 12, 2013, 08:28:24 pm
I hope it's not too late to make a minor suggestion:

A thing I had a minor dislike about in Inferno R1 is that we didn't really get to understand what the terms of the GTVA-EA armistice were after mission 14.  The debriefing text said numerous concessions by the EA were made but didn't say much else.  Would it be possible to add a few more sentences in the final mission debriefing to elaborate more on what the terms of the armistice were?
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: NeonShivan on September 13, 2013, 01:47:22 pm
I hope it's not too late to make a minor suggestion:

A thing I had a minor dislike about in Inferno R1 is that we didn't really get to understand what the terms of the GTVA-EA armistice were after mission 14.  The debriefing text said numerous concessions by the EA were made but didn't say much else.  Would it be possible to add a few more sentences in the final mission debriefing to elaborate more on what the terms of the armistice were?

As far as I am aware but don't take this from me, the new Inferno will basically end after the Battle of Earth and then pick up with other releases, so I don't think we'll hear anything about an Armistice in Nostos but again, I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on September 13, 2013, 01:48:29 pm
Well the last mission hasn't been made yet but something like that might be better to be added to the command brief of the first mission of the second chapter, since there would be more room to go into detail there.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: est1895 on October 15, 2013, 08:51:35 pm
"Dad,...are we there yet?"
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: QuakeIV on October 15, 2013, 11:31:31 pm
"Dad,...are we there yet?"

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Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Veers on October 16, 2013, 02:56:46 am
Come on Australian Summer, :P (we don't do Spring any more apparently)
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Cobra on October 16, 2013, 10:24:13 am
Yeah, **** Spring.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: James Razor on October 28, 2013, 06:04:53 pm
Uhm.... is there any update? Or any new ETA?

I mean, i would even settle for a good intro trailer (love the ones from BP btw).

Can we haz? Pretty pls? I'll even put a cherry on top.   :nervous:
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: NeonShivan on October 28, 2013, 07:04:09 pm
Uhm.... is there any update? Or any new ETA?

I mean, i would even settle for a good intro trailer (love the ones from BP btw).

Can we haz? Pretty pls? I'll even put a cherry on top.   :nervous:

My fellow New Edenite, they'll be done when they're done. That is all.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on October 30, 2013, 03:49:41 pm
I don't want to give another eta in case we don't make it again, since that would be further disappointment.
Once we are 99.9% certain we'll be pushing more stuff out to show before the release.

Completion of the Sol Gate is taking longer than expected and is our next major milestone. With that complete we can finalise the first 2/3rds of the campaign and only have to worry about the assets required for the final mission.

The Terran fleet is ready apart for the Bastion and the Sol Gate, the Arcas and extension HTL models will have to wait for R2 as those are going to take a few months and would increase the delay to unacceptable levels now.

The EA is missing 1 model for the final mission. The Icanus won't be done till the next release as that model is proving difficult to upgrade at this moment. After that there's only a few minor things like a sentry gun and support ship.

The Vasudans, thanks to Dagger are in a far better position now. They are still missing major models but not for the first 30 missions so there will be no delay there. Major missing models for R2 are the Vasudan flagship and carrier.

The Shivans are good to go, only the Gania and Gigas need to be completed there for r2.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: rscaper1070 on October 30, 2013, 06:00:48 pm
You have to admit the thread title kind of invites a lot of "Are we there yet?" questions.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: starbug on October 30, 2013, 06:14:04 pm
To be fair the thread was made back in January when they thought they would be able to make the release.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Woomeister on October 30, 2013, 06:30:54 pm
The original planned date was July 16th, but we hit several snags in March and April that massively slowed the progress level down further than anticipated. We also knew that several staff members would start to become busy from around August onwards which is why progress has been slow the past few months. It's also why I won't commit to a date again till I'm sure we'll actually make it this time.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Phantom Hoover on October 30, 2013, 06:31:38 pm
thread titles can be edited, you know
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Cobra on October 30, 2013, 07:21:41 pm
It still works for "this summer." Don't be a jerk.
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: -Joshua- on October 31, 2013, 10:22:07 am
It's better to let this stand. No project has yet to dwarf ST:R's amazing optimism, this might be the first :P.

Keep up the fine work, gentlemen :).
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Cobra on October 31, 2013, 10:57:30 am
It's better to let this stand. No project has yet to dwarf ST:R's amazing optimism, this might be the first :p.

ST:R kicks Inferno's ass. :nervous:
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: Rampage on October 31, 2013, 12:03:58 pm
Like what Woo said, several key members including myself are busy with real life.  I for one started residency training so all my free time is gone.

R
Title: Re: Inferno: Nostos Arrives this Summer!
Post by: BrotherBryon on October 31, 2013, 06:50:23 pm
A sizable part of a tree fell on my house this summer so I've had to spend a great deal of my spare time repairing and remodeling.