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Title: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Gloriano on January 25, 2015, 02:58:30 pm
http://store.steampowered.com/app/244160/

B-roll footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpxPtX5MQkI

Debut trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwB_byafzx8

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The Homeworld Remastered Collection includes:
• Homeworld Remastered Edition
• Homeworld 2 Remastered Edition

As a bonus, you will also receive free access to:
• Homeworld Classic
• Homeworld 2 Classic
• Homeworld Remastered Steam Multiplayer Beta

Already pre-ordered can't wait to play the classic in high-def!!
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on January 25, 2015, 03:07:55 pm
'bout time
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 25, 2015, 03:48:58 pm
Bout getting it!!
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: An4ximandros on January 25, 2015, 04:27:22 pm
I am become HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG, feeler of HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG.

"Like dis if u cry evertim :("
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on January 25, 2015, 05:43:03 pm
Holy balls, that looks amazing.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: That Man on January 25, 2015, 05:57:21 pm
 :jaw:
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on January 25, 2015, 07:16:16 pm
Damn, can't wait to have it :D :shaking:
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Scourge of Ages on January 25, 2015, 09:38:29 pm
As a general rule, and in respect of Total Biscuit, I try not to pre-order games, but...
I am become HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG, feeler of HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Kobrar44 on January 26, 2015, 03:16:17 am
I was about to preorder it, but then
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SteamWell, that sucks.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on January 26, 2015, 03:55:47 am
As a general rule, and in respect of Total Biscuit, I try not to pre-order games, but...
I am become HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG, feeler of HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG.

this.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: SkycladGuardian on January 26, 2015, 05:08:40 am
I was about to preorder it, but then
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SteamWell, that sucks.

I'm still hoping for a GOG release....
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 26, 2015, 07:11:35 am
But kharak is burning.... :(
Still got my homeworld 1 fiction original hardcopy  :yes:
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: StarSlayer on January 26, 2015, 07:53:51 am
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2j1si29.png)
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on January 26, 2015, 11:23:38 am
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2j1si29.png)
Quoting this because Homeworld.

I am strangely hyped by this, I had completely forgotten about it.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on January 26, 2015, 12:57:01 pm
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2j1si29.png)

This does not explain all the multibeam Kadeshi frigates I stole!
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 26, 2015, 02:30:48 pm
REspect. ...the garden.


Much like an old girlfriend. ...


There is no withdrawl. ....
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Klaustrophobia on January 26, 2015, 03:42:21 pm
Having never played Homeworld, this is interesting.  I did try Nexus and didn't really like it much once it got past controlling one or two ships.  Too much micromanaging and poor controls.  Is Homeworld similar, or is it simpler like C&C or something?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on January 26, 2015, 04:08:12 pm
Having never played Homeworld, this is interesting.  I did try Nexus and didn't really like it much once it got past controlling one or two ships.  Too much micromanaging and poor controls.  Is Homeworld similar, or is it simpler like C&C or something?
Nexus is Real-Time Tactics; Homeworld is very much Real-Time Strategy.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on January 27, 2015, 03:43:36 am
It's like C&C but it's IN SPACE and it's nine thousand times more awesome. The countless hours I lost just playing skirmishes in it...
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Nemesis6 on January 27, 2015, 02:28:27 pm
Let's hope this isn't the E3 demo.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: MP-Ryan on January 27, 2015, 09:40:02 pm
Homeworld - the original, not so much the sequel - is an amazing game, Klaus, and you owe it to yourself to play it.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on January 27, 2015, 11:05:33 pm
"not so much the sequel?"
and what do you mean by that *accusative stare*
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: MP-Ryan on January 27, 2015, 11:07:12 pm
Homeworld was groundbreaking.  Homeworld 2 was... a bit of a letdown, frankly.  Good, yes; nowhere near as good as the original.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on January 27, 2015, 11:49:30 pm
Homeworld was certainly groundbreaking, and I really wish more games existed that used those sort of mechanics (3D movement and the sort of nomad base concept by building out of ships rather than static base structures), but I still think HW2 improves on the mechanics quite well, even if the campaign story wasn't as strong.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Hobbie on January 28, 2015, 02:10:16 am
Needs more Cataclysm.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on January 28, 2015, 02:25:27 am
Indeed.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on January 28, 2015, 09:36:54 am
Needs more Cataclysm.

Don't even talk about it. I'm trying to be amnesiac regarding that game, pretend it didn't exist so I can appreciate this release without melancholy.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Fury on January 28, 2015, 10:16:09 am
Cataclysm was developed by long gone Barking Dog Studios and its source code was lost. So apparently there is no deal to be struck in order to get it remastered.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on January 28, 2015, 12:13:16 pm
Quote from: Somtaaw Fleet Command
Burn, you monsters.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on January 28, 2015, 12:30:07 pm
:(
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on January 28, 2015, 02:40:37 pm
Homeworld 2 certainly had the better engine (hence why the Remastered project is based off of its source code), but unmodded, HW2 is nowhere near as good a game as the original. It's a real shame the originally-planned Dust Wars campaign never happened.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 28, 2015, 04:26:42 pm
Shipbreakers yo.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on January 28, 2015, 04:27:32 pm
I haven't heard anything about that lately.  What's up with it?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Scourge of Ages on January 28, 2015, 10:38:03 pm
Cataclysm was developed by long gone Barking Dog Studios and its source code was lost. So apparently there is no deal to be struck in order to get it remastered.

I think if they really wanted to, it wouldn't be too difficult. Gearbox already basically redid all the graphical assets for 1 and 2, redoing those for Cataclysm shouldn't be too hard. The audio and video files should be readily available on any retail disk. If GB had the rights to redo Cataclysm (and assets), there's really nothing to stop them, besides motivation. It's basically a total conversion for HW1 anyway. (I know now really, but nothing beyond the talents of Gearbox coders, I'm sure)
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on January 29, 2015, 10:41:02 am
Yes, the issue is, as always, IP shenanigans. Bah.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Dragon on January 29, 2015, 01:59:19 pm
I wonder just who's the owner of Cataclysm IP now. There must be someone to strike a deal with. If that was done, I don't think there's anything preventing the remake on the technical side.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Phantom Hoover on January 29, 2015, 05:36:56 pm
remember what happened with system shock?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on January 29, 2015, 10:13:27 pm
I think if they really wanted to, it wouldn't be too difficult. Gearbox already basically redid all the graphical assets for 1 and 2, redoing those for Cataclysm shouldn't be too hard.
Well, making them look good would be near impossible.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on January 29, 2015, 11:01:34 pm
I think if they really wanted to, it wouldn't be too difficult. Gearbox already basically redid all the graphical assets for 1 and 2, redoing those for Cataclysm shouldn't be too hard.
Well, making them look good would be near impossible.

They made the Taiidan destroyer look good. That was a painfully basic model and textures. Compared to that, it would be easy to make a Swarmer Frigate look good. The Cata models in general lend themselves to curved shapes that will look much better on modern systems than they did back then.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on January 30, 2015, 04:43:44 am
Yeah I also don't quite get that comment. It's obviously super easy to make them look good. Aesaar you are an expert at HLPin older ships it should be obvious to you.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on January 30, 2015, 11:56:34 am
What I mean is that most of Cata's ship designs suck on such a basic level that more polygons won't make them look good.  They'd need a total redesign.

The Somtaaw carrier is a really good example of this.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on January 30, 2015, 12:13:12 pm
Aesaar, tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on January 30, 2015, 02:13:28 pm
What I mean is that most of Cata's ship designs suck at such a basic level that more polygons won't make them look good.  They'd need a total redesign.

The Somtaaw carrier is a really good example of this.
At first I was like "Well, it wasn't that bad... was it?"
And then I looked up some screenshots from the homeworld wiki and was like "Oh. Yeah, no. These are basically blocks with little to no actual design to them. Aesaar is completely right."
The Somtaaw ships are quite frankly, really really bad looking. If they are going to remaster Catalysm at some point, they should just redo the whole Somtaaw fleet.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on January 30, 2015, 02:22:21 pm
I liked the Kuun Laan and...
um...
er...

yeah
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on January 30, 2015, 03:28:38 pm
What I mean is that most of Cata's ship designs suck at such a basic level that more polygons won't make them look good. 

What you mean is that you have a broad opinion in all its relative value rather than nuanced commentary on the subject.

I was one of the guys annoyed when they deblocked the Orion, because I preferred the solidity and implied resilience and power of it. So yeah, you're going to need more.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on January 30, 2015, 05:43:14 pm
Spoon basically explained it.  Somtaaw capships are bricks, with no more design or visual appeal than a Soviet apartment building.  They don't look like repurposed civilian designs (since that could actually be really interesting), they just look like bricks.

This isn't a condemnation of blocky ships, because Homeworld has a lot of good-looking blocky ships.   So does FS.  But Cataclysm is an example of how not to do it.

The Kuun-Lan looks ok, the hive frigate isn't horrible, and a case could be made for the dreadnought if it was lengthened.

And Somtaaw corvettes are just downright lazy.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Cyborg17 on January 30, 2015, 08:18:19 pm
I happened to like the carrier design, but I think I'm alone in that.  It may be because it felt like something I could easily construct with an erector set or legos or k'nex or something. (I had Cataclysm when I was pretty young.)  Looking at it today, it is not as good as I remember.  So I agree on most counts, especially the destroyer, ore processor , multi-beam frigate and corvettes.   

They were probably under heavy time restraints.  I do love the sentinel and the leech craft, however.

Honestly, I couldn't get into the game for a while because the default resolution make everything look.... even worse, and I didn't realize that changing the resolution would make it look any better.  I finally played through it two years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Colonol Dekker on January 31, 2015, 01:20:17 am
They clearly focused on the sound in cata :yes:
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Hades on January 31, 2015, 07:47:43 am
To be fair, the Kuun Lan had some interesting design cues hidden within the mess of blocks; it's probably the most visually interesting and best design of the Somtaaw designs but it's still not amazing by any means of the word.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 01, 2015, 07:52:23 am
Whenever I draw a puny little concept for large mining or fabrication ships I end up getting a Kuun-Lan style ship...
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Phantom Hoover on February 01, 2015, 08:13:45 am
homeworld cataclysm is one of the most daring and innovative portfolios of toaster design in recent history
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: tempest6677 on February 01, 2015, 01:24:47 pm
Nothing is worse than the Kushan heavy cruiser.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Scourge of Ages on February 01, 2015, 01:44:02 pm
Nothing is worse than the Kushan heavy cruiser.

I'm trying really hard to remember what it looks like (without having to look it up)... That means it's pretty forgettable, but I get a very strong feeling that whatever it looked like, you're absolutely right about it.

I do actually like the design of the Somtaaw Destroyer though. Even the Heavy Cruiser looked all right.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on February 01, 2015, 02:49:01 pm
Nothing is worse than the Kushan heavy cruiser.

I'm trying really hard to remember what it looks like (without having to look it up)... That means it's pretty forgettable, but I get a very strong feeling that whatever it looked like, you're absolutely right about it.

I do actually like the design of the Somtaaw Destroyer though. Even the Heavy Cruiser looked all right.
Kushan heavy cruiser: http://homeworld.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar-class_Heavy_Cruiser
Somtaaw destroyer: http://homeworld.wikia.com/wiki/Deacon-class_Destroyer
Somtaaw dreadnought: http://homeworld.wikia.com/wiki/Archangel-class_Dreadnought

Quite frankly, I don't really like the design of any of them.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 01, 2015, 03:08:15 pm
I actually think the Archangel is the worst design in the game. I know exactly what it's trying to do, and it does kind of accomplish it, it's just the Bentusi should have been unique. (Relatively poor combat performance also plays a role.)
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Phantom Hoover on February 01, 2015, 04:19:28 pm
I quite like the Avatar, though it does suffer from an indistinctness of shape. It has a muscly, brutish quality and it inherits enough from the carrier (which TBH I quite dislike because of how much of it is empty space) that it fits with the rest of the fleet. Though I like the Boanerges for similar reasons, so I might be going against the grain here too.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Kobrar44 on February 02, 2015, 03:08:08 am
If {a couple of familiar cruisers and corvettes known primarily from a very big and well-known mod} had potential, Somtaaw blocks have it too. The main issue with Somtaaw fleet is that it needs to be very compact, which was translated to being square. Each of them has some kind of shape so I can't really see the issue, especially since no one is complaining about Bentusi :P
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on February 02, 2015, 04:21:58 am
I actually think the Archangel is the worst design in the game. I know exactly what it's trying to do, and it does kind of accomplish it, it's just the Bentusi should have been unique. (Relatively poor combat performance also plays a role.)

I like it but I get your point 100%. And yes, I generally agree that Cata ships are not the feminine sleek and slim gorgeous ships of HW1 or HW2, but then again they are not feminine. They are masculine, brute-like, mining people like. It's like the ugly marginal big muscled guy who gets to save the day for once. Hey, it can't always be the sleeky super marvel-like heroes doing the job. Sometimes it's the janitor doing the ****. And that's the kind of story that Cata is.

So please y'all, stop fatshaming Cataclysm. The worst that could ever happen to Cataclysm is a sort of Hyperionization in the way of BP!
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: TrashMan on February 02, 2015, 04:52:38 am
*has not played cataclysm*

People tell me I should.
I loved homeworld, but the flood/borg/zerg bio-thing infesting everything is a meh trope/concept.

That said, Homeworld in HD, remastered. So much YES.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 02, 2015, 06:20:20 am
I like it but I get your point 100%. And yes, I generally agree that Cata ships are not the feminine sleek and slim gorgeous ships of HW1 or HW2, but then again they are not feminine. They are masculine, brute-like, mining people like. It's like the ugly marginal big muscled guy who gets to save the day for once. Hey, it can't always be the sleeky super marvel-like heroes doing the job. Sometimes it's the janitor doing the ****. And that's the kind of story that Cata is.

So please y'all, stop fatshaming Cataclysm. The worst that could ever happen to Cataclysm is a sort of Hyperionization in the way of BP!

Yeah, pretty much this. With only like four or five exceptions, literally every ship you saw in Cataclysm was a combat vessel designed in a couple days by a half-dozen guys locked in a room until they made a spaceship and they only had a three-day-old cheese pizza to eat.  The design was then sent straight to the factory where it was deployed within hours of arrival, if not sooner.

They're not pretty. They're not efficient. They're not refined. These ships were designed under the motto "Second Best Tomorrow". They are the product of an extraordinary emergency. They look the part.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 02, 2015, 09:19:37 am
Given the easy shape of the Soomtaw capital ships and my failed attempts to get into blender I'm actually thinking of doing them in blender...
A friend of mine once said, that if you want efficent designs...look at the Borg thou^^
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: tempest6677 on February 02, 2015, 12:20:09 pm
I've actually already modeled most of the Homeworld/Catacylsm ships. The Somtaaw look really cool once you add detail. For example, here is the Deacon:

http://www.shapeways.com/product/RBB5ALBKL/somtaaw-quot-deacon-quot-destroyer?li=search-results-1&optionId=43552002

Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on February 02, 2015, 12:56:34 pm
I like it but I get your point 100%. And yes, I generally agree that Cata ships are not the feminine sleek and slim gorgeous ships of HW1 or HW2, but then again they are not feminine. They are masculine, brute-like, mining people like. It's like the ugly marginal big muscled guy who gets to save the day for once. Hey, it can't always be the sleeky super marvel-like heroes doing the job. Sometimes it's the janitor doing the ****. And that's the kind of story that Cata is.

So please y'all, stop fatshaming Cataclysm. The worst that could ever happen to Cataclysm is a sort of Hyperionization in the way of BP!

Yeah, pretty much this. With only like four or five exceptions, literally every ship you saw in Cataclysm was a combat vessel designed in a couple days by a half-dozen guys locked in a room until they made a spaceship and they only had a three-day-old cheese pizza to eat.  The design was then sent straight to the factory where it was deployed within hours of arrival, if not sooner.

They're not pretty. They're not efficient. They're not refined. These ships were designed under the motto "Second Best Tomorrow". They are the product of an extraordinary emergency. They look the part.
No, they don't.  There are plenty of designs that look decent while maintaining the form before function look.  Hell, most of the Taiidan capital ships qualify.  Somtaaw ships don't look rushed, they don't look rugged, they don't look industrial.  They just look lazy.

There was a thread for Homeworld ship redesigns on Relicnews a few years back, and Riess drew this for the Somtaaw carrier:
(http://homeworldshots.net/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1680&g2_serialNumber=2)

It's by no means perfect, but it's so much better than the one ingame I don't know where to start.  "Utilitarian" is nothing more than a stupid justification for visually awful designs, because there's no reason "utilitarian" must mean "ugly as hell".


tempest6677: I think all that link does is prove my point.  Somtaaw ships are not improved by more polygons.


*has not played cataclysm*

People tell me I should.
I loved homeworld, but the flood/borg/zerg bio-thing infesting everything is a meh trope/concept.
You should play it and make up your own mind, but yeah, Cataclysm is a story about the organic Borg.  Voyager's version of the Borg, Saturday morning cartoon villainy and all.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Scotty on February 02, 2015, 01:10:46 pm
I have no idea when the concepts of "efficient" and "utilitarian" became mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on February 02, 2015, 01:12:44 pm
They're not...

They're just really commonly used excuses for awful ship design.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on February 02, 2015, 02:57:31 pm
Aesaar you missed the point  completely. I didn't use the word  utilitarian, we both said they were not efficient designs. They are ugly designs, and that's the ****ing point. Cata is not a game of beauty contest ships. It's a game where the ship designers have no time to design properly, both in terms of efficiency and aesthetics.  That cruiser you show is way prettier than the one ingame, and that's why it would be completely out of character.

Now I'm not saying they can be improved. They can, and probably should. But they should definitely not become beauty queens.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on February 02, 2015, 05:05:40 pm
Because you're wrong.  Both the Carrier and the Destroyer are adapted civilian designs, not ships designed from the ground up during the campaign.

Quote from: Cataclysm Manual p.91
The Deacon was originally intended to be a new generation of heavy transports...

Quote from: Cataclysm Manual p.92
The Shaman class Carrier had been in development for some time before it was finally brought into battle.  This Carrier was based on Kiith Somtaaw’s first foray into heavy ship construction, the Chieftan class Ore Processor...

In both cases, the designers did in fact have time to design properly, because they were both originally intended to be civilian industrial vessels.  There's no reason they need to look as terrible as they do.  The only one that was rushed like you describe is the dreadnought, and while it looks bad, it's still by far the best-looking Somtaaw capital.  The Kushan Heavy Cruiser is also a really ugly ship, but Somtaaw ships make it look amazing by comparison.

And there's no excuse at all for the laziness of Somtaaw corvettes.

Note that there's a difference between "good-ugly" and "ugly-ugly".  That concept up there is the former.  Somtaaw capship are the latter.  An in-universe justification is not needed for the former because the design says it all already.  And if you need one to justify the latter, you're designing your ships wrong in the first place.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 02, 2015, 08:24:44 pm
There's no reason they need to look as terrible as they do.

Except for the fact that if you expect a civilian spaceship to look like anything but a giant block, I'm curious why. It's a spaceship. There is no reason why it should have an aesthetically pleasing shape and plenty of reasons why it doesn't want one.

The reason military ships have curves and swept lines in this case is because people think they should, and because angled armor in others (this is actually canon in a few places). The reason Somtaaw's ex-civilian ships don't is because they don't have to look like anyone's idea of a warship; they're not one in heritage and more importantly because being a giant chunk of metal is easy and cheap, perfectly in keeping for a group of itinerant miners.

Your argument is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on February 02, 2015, 09:54:21 pm
Oh FFS.  Are you even reading my posts?  It's perfectly possible to build a blocky, industrial, functional looking ship that doesn't look like ****.  I ****ing posted proof.

Your argument is ridiculous and is entirely predicated on the false assumption that Somtaaw ships are ugly because that's the only way to make utilitarian designs.  It's not.  Somtaaw ships look bad because the guy in charge of making them was bad at designing ships.  Which is supported by the fact that 95% of Cata's original ships look terrible.

There are a great many directions Barking Dog could have gone with Cataclysm's ship design that wouldn't have had them look like single lego bricks and might have given them some actual character.  Instead, we got got bland with a side of boring.

Actually, you know what, here's another example: http://norsehound.deviantart.com/gallery/6178305/Cataclysm-2nd
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Hades on February 02, 2015, 10:21:46 pm
I've actually already modeled most of the Homeworld/Catacylsm ships. The Somtaaw look really cool once you add detail. For example, here is the Deacon:

http://www.shapeways.com/product/RBB5ALBKL/somtaaw-quot-deacon-quot-destroyer?li=search-results-1&optionId=43552002


Interesting link, if that is indeed your account, please explain why http://www.shapeways.com/product/87KRZPBTU/kadesh-mothership?li=more-from-shop&optionId=43797831 looks so incredibly identical to:


e: also the only vanilla cataclysm ship with any sort of potential is the Kuun Lan, the rest are awful
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: The E on February 03, 2015, 02:03:52 am
this argument is so ****ing pointless god

WE HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE SPACE BOXES NOT UGLY BUT SPACE BOX MOST BE UGLY AND YOU ARE GAY BECAUSE YOU DISLIKE THE IDEA OF SPACE BOXES BEING MOST UGLY

i hope everyone in this thread dies of ****ing dysentery

*including me because the second-hand embarassment from watching this thread merely exist is killing me



Okay, if you're disappointed with the direction a thread is taking, there are ways to address that.

Hoping that everyone involved dies is not one of them.


That being said, as this is about artistic opinions, not some objective fact, I would like to ask everyone to cool it down a bit, yeah? No need to let this get ugly.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: TrashMan on February 03, 2015, 03:20:19 am
They're not...

They're just really commonly used excuses for awful ship design.

Well, to be honest, utalitarian pretty much means that you don't give a damn about visuals, only efficiency.

It's a fine balance in any visual media. Sometimes the designs are BOTH bland and stupid, sometimes they are just bland, sometimes just stupid.
Sometimes it goes into another direction, with designers trying to create "original" ship designs  that are so bizzare, non-human and non-functional, that you're end up going "wut?"
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on February 03, 2015, 09:49:44 am
Because you're wrong.  Both the Carrier and the Destroyer are adapted civilian designs, not ships designed from the ground up during the campaign.

Quote from: Cataclysm Manual p.91
The Deacon was originally intended to be a new generation of heavy transports...

Quote from: Cataclysm Manual p.92
The Shaman class Carrier had been in development for some time before it was finally brought into battle.  This Carrier was based on Kiith Somtaaw’s first foray into heavy ship construction, the Chieftan class Ore Processor...

In both cases, the designers did in fact have time to design properly, because they were both originally intended to be civilian industrial vessels.  There's no reason they need to look as terrible as they do.  The only one that was rushed like you describe is the dreadnought, and while it looks bad, it's still by far the best-looking Somtaaw capital.  The Kushan Heavy Cruiser is also a really ugly ship, but Somtaaw ships make it look amazing by comparison.

I could address your point into nitpicky levels on differentiating how a civilian vessel design being adapted to military function could botch the entire sillouette of the ship, turning it into the ugly ships we all got in Cata, but that's also missing the point. The big point here is not whether if some writer in the development team found that they couldn't really explain how they got to design so many ships from scratch, so why not explain it away with some line about them being based on civilian design. It makes sense that they did so, but that's, again, missing the point.

The point is, and I've been saying this three times now so I will call it quits if it doesn't get through, that the main characters of Cataclysm are miners. They are NOT "beautiful" people. They are NOT the elite of the elite, BP Age of Aquarius 14th Battlefeet style, or even HW1 fleet style. They are miners. The janitors of the economy. Tolkien called them either trolls or dwarfs. They are the sweaty drunken big muscled people who would smack anyone in the face in the engineering room if someone started rambling on how the design was "ugly".

It can be the case that it was sheer lazyness. I'm not at all bothered by that, and you can refer to the "death of the author" in this case. I see not "lazy ships", but rather "Fugly ships", and that's what drives the characterization of the protagonists. To me, it was way more scandalous that the "moon base" was also ****ing ugly (and other third party ships), because those were out of character.

Not the miners. The miners are supposed to be ugly. This attempt to Brad Pittyfy (or Angelinalize) every single thing on-screen is a thought cancer. No. Ship designs are not beauty contests, they are character builders. This is why, incidentaly, the Millenium Falcon is such an incredible icon, despite someone saying "What a piece of junk!" It is a piece of junk. I know, I know, it also has some good lines in it (the overall shape is sleek), but to the average viewer in the 70s, used to sleek designs in sci-fi, it appeared like a garbage truck with electronic trash glued in its outside.

So, even if I completely 100% agree that that Destroyer design is ugly as hell, I also think that's completely in-character and paradoxically gives weight to the game.

Quote
And there's no excuse at all for the laziness of Somtaaw corvettes.

Note that there's a difference between "good-ugly" and "ugly-ugly".  That concept up there is the former.  Somtaaw capship are the latter.  An in-universe justification is not needed for the former because the design says it all already.  And if you need one to justify the latter, you're designing your ships wrong in the first place.

I think this difference of "good-ugly" and "ugly-ugly" is too thin and too subjective to discuss, but I could indulge such conversation. Again, as I also said, and no I am not wrong even by pointing this out, I don't mind that this "uglyness" has a bit more depth and interest in it. It totally can and probably should.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: StarSlayer on February 03, 2015, 11:58:40 am
this argument is so ****ing pointless god

WE HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE SPACE BOXES NOT UGLY BUT SPACE BOX MOST BE UGLY AND YOU ARE GAY BECAUSE YOU DISLIKE THE IDEA OF SPACE BOXES BEING MOST UGLY

i hope everyone in this thread dies of ****ing dysentery

*including me because the second-hand embarassment from watching this thread merely exist is killing me



Okay, if you're disappointed with the direction a thread is taking, there are ways to address that.

Hoping that everyone involved dies is not one of them.


Why?  It worked in the Holy Grail.

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/539/515/140.gif)
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on February 03, 2015, 12:54:33 pm
Luis: Stop insinuating that my problem with Somtaaw ships is that they aren't pretty.  It's not.

It doesn't matter if they fit.  A good design doesn't need additional fiction to justify it.  If a ship is a militarized civilian ship, then that's something that should come across with nothing but the visuals.  The Millenium Falcon is a great design because it has character.  Just looking at it tells you a lot about what kind of ship it is and what its owner does.

Somtaaw ships do none of this.  The Deacon would be no better or worse a design if you said it was made by an interstellar empire with vast resources and ample time.  It would be no better or worse a design if you said that, in-universe, it's the most efficient and effective warship ever.  It's a failure because visually, it tells you nothing.  The Carrier is in the same boat.  The Dreadnought is equally ugly, but it's a far, far better design because you can tell they were trying to do something with it; namely, evoke Bentusi ships. 

It's not just that they could be better. The Taiidan Heavy Cruiser is one of my favorite HW1 ships and it could still be better.  It's that I have a hard time imagining how they could be worse.

Another example:  the Borg Cube is a really, really ugly ship, but it's actually a brilliant ship design because it manages to say so much in its brutal simplicity.  It has character.  The first time I saw it in Q Who, I wanted to know wtf it was and who built it.

I misspoke before.  Somtaaw ships don't fail because they're ugly.  I've seen uglier ships which I've liked a lot more.  You could come up with a dozen wildly different reasons for why Somtaaw ships look as they do.  They're blank slates.  And that's why they fail.  Because they're utterly lacking in character and personality.  Because a picture says a thousand words, but Somtaaw ships manage to say nothing at all.

If this doesn't help you understand where I'm coming from, then I'm really ****ty at explaining this and there's no point in trying further.  Chalk it up to irreconcilable creative differences if you like.


BritishShivans: There are no words that can adequately express how little I care.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on February 03, 2015, 01:00:35 pm
I can only insinuate from the words I've read you write. I'm just incapable of telepathy. Now that you wrote this last comment, I think we are on the same page here, at least from principles, and I admit I can be a bit colored by my own nostalgia in my lack of acknowledgement on the lazyness of their design.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on February 03, 2015, 01:03:22 pm
I think the horse is dead by now
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BritishShivans on February 03, 2015, 01:24:14 pm
I think the horse is dead by now

that's what i was saying

ADDENDUM: Also I'm glad Aesaar/Luis managed to find a common point because the thread has become somewhat pleasant again.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on February 03, 2015, 01:25:42 pm
I can only insinuate from the words I've read you write. I'm just incapable of telepathy. Now that you wrote this last comment, I think we are on the same page here, at least from principles, and I admit I can be a bit colored by my own nostalgia in my lack of acknowledgement on the lazyness of their design.
TBH, that last post is probably the first time I've put into words exactly why I dislike Somtaaw ships as much as I do.  Before, there was just this indistinct loathing.  So thank you for forcing me to examine them harder.  This argument has actually accomplished something. :)
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Ghostavo on February 03, 2015, 01:44:35 pm
Somtaaw ships do none of this.  The Deacon would be no worse or better a design if you said it was made by an interstellar empire with vast resources and ample time.

I've always seen the Deacon as a sort of retrofitted GTFr Triton, hence its little arms in the front.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 04, 2015, 01:27:27 pm
And bought it, the game I mean :D
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Kobrar44 on February 05, 2015, 03:09:15 am
Sooo, few things to notice. 8:17 THOSE BEAMZ
Aaaand sadly.. not much else? But hell, its HW, who needs more.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 05, 2015, 08:02:26 am
Whaaaaaaaaaaat.
Didn't you see the vids on page one?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 05, 2015, 08:12:05 am
I'm realy curious how many mods will work with this.
PDS and so on, that would be amazing :)
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on February 05, 2015, 10:39:34 am
They also discuss ShipBreakers.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: StarSlayer on February 05, 2015, 12:22:34 pm
I'm realy curious how many mods will work with this.
PDS and so on, that would be amazing :)

According to one of the videos they are shooting for mod support through Steam's community and actually pulled in some on the dedicated HW modders as consultants.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on February 05, 2015, 12:50:27 pm
I'm realy curious how many mods will work with this.
PDS and so on, that would be amazing :)

According to one of the videos they are shooting for mod support through Steam's community and actually pulled in some on the dedicated HW modders as consultants.
Not just consultants; hired to the team. Of course, the one named is Agostino "Beghins" Bocchi (http://www.homeworld2complex.com/), making it a somewhat mixed bag...
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on February 05, 2015, 03:27:24 pm
I'm realy curious how many mods will work with this.
PDS and so on, that would be amazing :)

According to one of the videos they are shooting for mod support through Steam's community and actually pulled in some on the dedicated HW modders as consultants.
Not just consultants; hired to the team. Of course, the one named is Agostino "Beghins" Bocchi (http://www.homeworld2complex.com/), making it a somewhat mixed bag...
Can you elaborate on that, for the people not very knowledgable about the HW2 modding scene?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on February 05, 2015, 03:37:44 pm
I've interacted with Beghins once or twice on the Complex forums, but don't really know him, so you'll have to elaborate what makes his presence on the team a mixed bag.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on February 05, 2015, 05:41:50 pm
Can you elaborate on that, for the people not very knowledgable about the HW2 modding scene?
The Complex mod is a bloated mess. Lord knows I've put enough hours into it that I'm excited about what Beghins being on the team is going to mean for Remastered's mod support, but it's still a mess, and also has a somewhat checkered reputation when it comes to interacting with other HW2 modders; things like using others' assets without actually asking beforehand (and then miscrediting them even when they remember to credit them in the first place... although fortunately that particular mixup has been corrected since). Plus little things like requiring a donation to download the Complex mod from their server without making it obvious that you can also download it from other servers.

I can only hope that the rest of the team acts like a filter, just letting good ideas through.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: StarSlayer on February 11, 2015, 02:51:31 pm

Set course for 1:29 for maximum pants ruinage.

Engage!
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 11, 2015, 03:16:46 pm
Fap noises. ..
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: ScottFreeCapital on February 11, 2015, 03:24:44 pm
Fap noises. ..
LOL  :lol:
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on February 11, 2015, 03:55:34 pm
Gods damn it, I'm trying not to get hyped...
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 11, 2015, 05:53:01 pm
You win this round, gearbox.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on February 11, 2015, 06:24:46 pm
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 12, 2015, 10:05:46 am
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Unable to decide if comment or Luis is hyperspacing.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: StarSlayer on February 12, 2015, 02:41:35 pm
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Unable to decide if comment or Luis is hyperspacing.

Needs to be book ended by "fwish" for proper effect.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Luis Dias on February 13, 2015, 09:15:14 am
sorry for the typo, i meant

FFFWWWONWOONWOonWonWoonnwwOonWOonWoonWOonwonwoonwoon...fffwwwi sh.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 19, 2015, 05:55:28 pm
Six days.

To quote the Kiith Paktu motto, I can smell the sea.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 20, 2015, 11:03:42 am
To quote Soban

Quote

Did you just spill my pint?
/me rolls up sleeves
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: StarSlayer on February 20, 2015, 12:39:34 pm
I'm not a space klepto...

          Oh my god a shiny!

          Salvage Corvette Sqdr 12, Fleet Command, move to Grid 34 Golf and acquire that Qwaar-Jet.

... what were we talking about?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 20, 2015, 01:52:33 pm
Quote from: Saam  taaw

Dig dig dig dig dig dig dig

Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 20, 2015, 04:23:18 pm
I honestly never salvaged that much... three MBF out of Kadesh was the best I got... too much pressure applied by the swarmer...
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 20, 2015, 06:44:18 pm
I honestly never salvaged that much... three MBF out of Kadesh was the best I got... too much pressure applied by the swarmer...

My fondest hope is that they'll not have the bug where the swarmers, when they run out of gas, ball up away from you so you have like three dozen of them occupying the same physical space. On one run I salvaged a dozen advanced swarmers, the most I ever got; normally it was far less.

Nothing ever survived more than ten seconds near the mothership on that run.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 21, 2015, 08:06:16 pm
This is the Garden...of Kadesh. For thirteen...generations we have protected it from...the unclean. The Turanic Raiders who came before you refused to join and were...punished for this trespass. Like theirs your ship has already...defiled this holy place. If you have come to join we...welcome you, and will spare you your ship until all have disembarked. If you have come to consume the Garden, you will be removed. At once.

What are your intentions? (http://youtu.be/vEQKUbrq32c?t=1m50s)
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Klaustrophobia on February 21, 2015, 10:13:12 pm
I'm really tempted by this, but I've got SOOOOOOOOOO much in my backlog already, and I know this isn't going to make it anywhere near the top of the list.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 22, 2015, 02:46:05 am
I don't even have a working pc and I bought it because <3 Homeworld.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: StarSlayer on February 24, 2015, 04:48:25 pm
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ETA 24 hours.


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Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 24, 2015, 08:16:04 pm
Pre-load available.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 25, 2015, 04:04:33 am
So...when can I play this game? (GMT +1)
I'm dying while waiting...
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: The E on February 25, 2015, 04:14:27 am
It'll unlock in 8 hours (that'll be 1900 CET), according to Steam.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Fury on February 25, 2015, 04:33:02 am
Steams always unlocks games at that same time.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BritishShivans on February 25, 2015, 04:38:20 am
I'm doing the preload. 6am my time this unlocks.

Let's go home.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 25, 2015, 07:45:46 am
LOADWS :(

Surface temperature 37 hundred and rising :, (

(Actual temp may vary according to fact)

Saddest video game moment. EVER.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 25, 2015, 11:44:49 am
I preloaded this the moment I could and thought I could play it at once...well... thats Steam for you :D

The cutscene of a burning Kharak and adiago for strings sparked my love for instrumental music...
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: An4ximandros on February 25, 2015, 01:13:58 pm
NO ACHIEVEMENT FOR BRINGING SAJUUK TO BEAR. GEARBOX RUINEDED EVEYTHIN! :p
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Gray on February 25, 2015, 01:42:32 pm
DL is at 50%...oh G, the anticipation...
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on February 25, 2015, 02:51:08 pm
Wow, Homeworld Complex mod is ALREADY up on the steam workshop
Inside help?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Gray on February 25, 2015, 03:08:01 pm
DL is at 50%...oh G, the anticipation...

...it lingers.
Due to the game crashing right after the intro cutscene. Every.Single.****ing.Time.

I might as well try and install Steamgames outside of the Steamfolder. Anyone tried that?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: jr2 on February 25, 2015, 03:27:21 pm
Any support articles on that?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on February 25, 2015, 03:32:10 pm
Wow, Homeworld Complex mod is ALREADY up on the steam workshop
Inside help?
...Uh, yes. You know that the creator of Complex got hired by Gearbox, right?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on February 25, 2015, 03:37:51 pm
Yes I do
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: An4ximandros on February 25, 2015, 04:21:15 pm
Emperor R42 sounds badass.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: MatthTheGeek on February 25, 2015, 05:15:57 pm
This had to be done.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ozmhcua31ed7nny/ss00000.jpg) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ozmhcua31ed7nny/ss00000.jpg)

Wow, Homeworld Complex mod is ALREADY up on the steam workshop
It's fine, HWBP is ALREADY up on the steam workshop too.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: StarSlayer on February 25, 2015, 07:09:22 pm
Man it is purdy

(http://cloud-2.steamusercontent.com/ugc/543019573399014276/A45E4848717648FC7C540C38C31188BCBBF6BD02/)
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 25, 2015, 11:00:29 pm
Confirming from multi experience that in a one hull to one hull matchup the majority of Kushan ships will flatten their Hiigarran descendants. The respective destroyers make for a particularly painful case, as the Hiigarran model frequently loses when outnumbering Kushan types two to one. Similarly, twenty Blade interceptors will beat four squadrons of Hiigarran interceptors with minimal losses. Firelance ion frigates will slaughter their opposite numbers in an even matchup without even breaking a sweat. The Hiigarran battlecruiser appears to be the only real exception to this as it does reasonably well against Kushan Avatar heavy cruisers. (Though I did have that one time where my pair of Avatars ate four destroyers and a battlecruiser alive, because why not.)

So if you felt your fleet wasn't as powerful in HW2 as it was in HW1, you were right.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 26, 2015, 12:31:00 am
Vaygr seem to be doing better; their bombers and fighters are no match for Kushan Blades, but their laser corvettes are hilariously destructive against Kushan frigates and capitals. Vaygr destroyers are once again no match for ion cannon-armed Kushan destroyers. Their Missile Frigates are a fair match against Kushan Vengeance assault frigates or Firelance ion cannon frigates, though, and their carriers seem more durable.

Vaygr assault frigates and Hiigarran flak frigates seem almost totally ineffective against HW1 strike craft. HW1 ships which can hyperspace around like mad in the frigate and destroyer categories have a huge mobility advantage if you can find the resources to exploit it.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on February 26, 2015, 01:56:55 am
There's a reason the combined MP is still called a beta.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 26, 2015, 02:23:35 am
There's also a reason why I made the observation I did about the feeling that your Homeworld 1 fleet was more powerful than your Homeworld 2 fleet. The ingame stats, directly converted from their original sources, pretty much prove it. Everyone who thought 2's ship setups and tactical ideas were weird and ill-considered in comparison to 1 has had their case more or less made for them.

The disparity between the effectiveness of Vaygr and Hiigarran ships trying to cope with Homeworld 1 ships also suggests some awkward things about the second game in general, though it doesn't quite prove them.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on February 26, 2015, 02:56:56 am
Well to be fair, previously there was no reason for the stats of HW2 ships to follow HW1 stats as long as each race in the game was balanced against the other.

So I figured I'd try a bit of Complex.  I had forgotten how annoying it is.  It has some good ideas (more ships and modules, modular weapons, etc.) but it is hinder TERRIBLY by the other crap they added (power and crew requirements, at least having to come up with the crew makes SOME sense if you ignore the fact the mothership is supposed to have extra crew in cryosleep, but seriously ships can't power themselves?   Also the rank system is stupid, you already have to tech up anyways, why add ANOTHER barrier?)
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BritishShivans on February 26, 2015, 04:21:47 am
I did it

I saved them

I saved all the Cryo Trays against a ridiculously massive force of 12 frigates
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on February 26, 2015, 05:38:56 am
WOOT
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on February 26, 2015, 05:44:11 am
12?
Did I miss a difficulty setting somewhere somehow? I've never seen more than 5 (and those always manage to blow up at least one cryo tray with focused fire before my **** can even get close to it). Btw, it bugged me tremedously that if you capture those assault frigates, they seem to turn into RU. Didn't get a single one in ship form, and I took all 5 of them. That's not what happened in the old classic homeworld.

I don't know if its some kind of deliberate change done in the name of 'balance' so you don't get 5 free frigates, but if it is, it is a silly one. Because two missions after that I already added this to my fleet: (http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/543019573399172191/EF48E5628E15CD3597E44525D265BF798EA2AF65/)

Confirming from multi experience that in a one hull to one hull matchup the majority of Kushan ships will flatten their Hiigarran descendants. The respective destroyers make for a particularly painful case, as the Hiigarran model frequently loses when outnumbering Kushan types two to one. Similarly, twenty Blade interceptors will beat four squadrons of Hiigarran interceptors with minimal losses. Firelance ion frigates will slaughter their opposite numbers in an even matchup without even breaking a sweat. The Hiigarran battlecruiser appears to be the only real exception to this as it does reasonably well against Kushan Avatar heavy cruisers. (Though I did have that one time where my pair of Avatars ate four destroyers and a battlecruiser alive, because why not.)

So if you felt your fleet wasn't as powerful in HW2 as it was in HW1, you were right.
Blah, ships felt so flimsy in HW2. Frigates especially. Never was much of a fan of it. These testing results don't suprise me one bit.


Now allow me to be that guy for a bit:
(http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/543019573399359024/98221A54C06BC6491B7881B078468F0021D3B6F4/)
HD remaster amirite?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BritishShivans on February 26, 2015, 05:46:41 am
They apparently randomized the difficulty based upon the number of ships in your fleet. It was like that in HW1, but there was a cap, I think. It was set to not go above 5-6 frigates max.

But in Remastered...  :shaking:
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on February 26, 2015, 06:15:17 am
I left mission 2 with like 10 captured corvettes and a handful of interceptors. I guess it doesn't count turanic raider ships as anything.

Also, I just have to complain loudly about this.
They changed it and now it SUCKS.

Multibeam frigates do not SPIN in the remastered version and their beams only last a fraction of what they used to do :mad: :hopping:
Whats the point of these now if they are no longer cool!

Edit: I'm seeing the difficulty increase thing. The fleet around the ghost ship is ****ing huge now, holy ****.

It's fine, HWBP is ALREADY up on the steam workshop too.
Nice  :yes:
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 26, 2015, 06:45:47 am
What have they done to the formation thing?
Everytime I order my strikecraft to form a formation, these buggers actually form it, but as soon as they are attacking, every single crackhead breaks away and does whatever the **** they want!
And no fuel? Next mission is Kadesh... I'm a litle worried that it won't be possobble to simple kill the fuel pods and watch the swarmer run dry...
And was there a unit limit in the original and did the number of captured ship fit in?
Right now if captured a whole lot of enemy firgates and two destroyers, but the missile destroyers were nowhere to be found when I beat the crap out of the exterminatus fleet...
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on February 26, 2015, 07:04:52 am
What have they done to the formation thing?

Everytime I order my strikecraft to form a formation, these buggers actually form it, but as soon as they are attacking, every single crackhead breaks away and does whatever the **** they want!
Yeah I have no ****ing clue why they ****ed that up so bad. I send 70 bombers in claw formation to the ghost ship and instead of delivering a massive strike they just flew up to it, didn't fire much, then broke formation and just kind of durdled around. I remember in classic I disabled the ghost ship in nearly one attack run with a big bomber claw formation like that.

And no fuel? Next mission is Kadesh... I'm a litle worried that it won't be possobble to simple kill the fuel pods and watch the swarmer run dry...
The fuel pods literally serve no purpose in remastered.

And was there a unit limit in the original and did the number of captured ship fit in?
Right now if captured a whole lot of enemy firgates and two destroyers, but the missile destroyers were nowhere to be found when I beat the crap out of the exterminatus fleet...
You can go over the limit with captured ships. Right now im at double the population cap of frigates because I captured 25 something of them when the ghost ship shut down.
Also I think you misremember, the missile destroyer is first encountered at the ghost ship, never before that.

Having such a huge amount of ships is killing me in this super nova mission. The line of captured taiidan frigates extends for such length that they start in the radiation zone. After watching the cutscene they were already at 80% health.
And I just lost half my bombers trying to load them up into my (captured taiidan) carrier, as they formed such a long line that the radiation killed them.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 26, 2015, 07:30:59 am
It is sometimes possible to assign groups and order them befor starting cutscenes fire.
At Kharak I was able to order my strikecraft and corvettes to attack the taiidan frigates even before Fleetcommand told my the cryothingies were under attack.
By assigning numbers to the captured Taiidan, maybe they can be ordered into guard formation of the mothership at mission start?
At after which point can you capture a taiidan carrier? tried that befor the diamond mission(destroying asteroids), but my salvage corvettes were all about "No way, we'll just sit next to it an let us cut to pieces"

But this formation crap really bugs me... they don't even form a simple sphere after getting a guard order! :hopping:
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on February 26, 2015, 08:09:07 am
Mission 5 is where you can get destroyers and the first taiidan carrier.
It's not actually very useful to have the carrier, it can't build, its just a mobile repair point for fighters I guess.

(http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/543019573401033878/C31006221D446CFAF288F6CCA33BD3B9EF491226/)
My captured ships change colors randomly with each mission. My carrier has switched from kushan to taiidan colors like 5 times already, same with the destroyers. Now its even colored black, and I haven't even gotten to that point in the campaign yet.

(http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/543019573401044052/B4C7E3724809726B524BEBF55EFB6A9A3AE94B13/)
I didn't build half this ****, im sitting at 40k resources right now.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: StarSlayer on February 26, 2015, 08:31:23 am
Vaygr seem to be doing better; their bombers and fighters are no match for Kushan Blades, but their laser corvettes are hilariously destructive against Kushan frigates and capitals. Vaygr destroyers are once again no match for ion cannon-armed Kushan destroyers. Their Missile Frigates are a fair match against Kushan Vengeance assault frigates or Firelance ion cannon frigates, though, and their carriers seem more durable.

Vaygr assault frigates and Hiigarran flak frigates seem almost totally ineffective against HW1 strike craft. HW1 ships which can hyperspace around like mad in the frigate and destroyer categories have a huge mobility advantage if you can find the resources to exploit it.

I think some of the difficulty of comparing strikecraft and their behavior is due to the switch to squadrons in HW2.  Their effectiveness and that of their counters is predicated on them being in tight groups.  Since HW1 strikecraft come in single units and their counters are designed to kill them off singly they do not loose any effectiveness against their HW2 counterparts while HW2 ships are likely at a disadvantage.  Hiigarran and Vaygr AAA only needed to lob flak or flechettes in the general area of the squadron to get some hits, against HW1 strikecraft now they need to be more precise.

I'd imagine some of the maneuver derpiness cited with HW1 strikecraft is also related to the fact that, if i'm not mistaken, everything is now running on the HW2 code behind were the strikecraft behavior was optimized for the squadrons.  Strikecraft formation code in HW2 was meant to organize squadrons of craft not just a bunch of single units.



That said the 50s Russian Space Sub seems to chew up HW1 capitals pretty easily. 

Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on February 26, 2015, 09:42:23 am
(http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/543019573401272322/95C3BD2A4638A6E26D8DE4F0D748A3BF626F45ED/)
Now the carrier decided it wanted to be black today. (It was back to yellow the next mission)

(http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/543019573401281994/3D7C2903DCD8C11C93BBA2BDDBD831AF9223A4A9/)
I didn't see this blob of defenders and a heavy cruiser coming until they were ontop of my mothership. My fleet was way out in the middle. Would have been game over if they had decided to attack anything but my research station. Because they are aiming at the center point of it, all the projectiles whiffed.
(naturally, I added the heavy cruiser to my collection after)
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 26, 2015, 11:49:08 am
Damn those Khadeshi.... they send only 6 MBF against me and my eager frigates and destroyer decided to blow two up...now I'm waiting and hope they decide to build more -.-

Oh, and on that coloring of the ships...I have two pretty in pink ion cannon frigates :lol:
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on February 26, 2015, 12:07:55 pm
You know what? Screw this, I've had my last classes today, I can get myself some candy on this glorious day.

Come to think of it, I think it's like the 3rd time (out of 140 games) I've paid full price on steam...
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on February 26, 2015, 01:09:44 pm
Second CTD ffs
One hour of hard ion frigate capturing labor down the drain. Thanks gearbox
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Fury on February 26, 2015, 01:14:13 pm
I've had a lot of bugs where mission events won't trigger, resulting in missions not progressing anywhere. I've had to restart few missions from the beginning.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Gray on February 26, 2015, 01:23:56 pm
you can play it at least, for me it crashes right after the intro.
the olden ones work though.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 26, 2015, 02:04:30 pm
What have they done to the formation thing?

Honestly, fixed it. Large strikecraft formations tended to get your ships killed by causing them to do silly slide maneuvers that even ion cannon frigates could hit rather than keeping their speed up and being hard to target, and in general formations made them take greater losses. Enemies could retarget on the next ship more quickly than when they were in a dispersed group, spending less time trying to bring their own personal Sajuuks to bear and more time pewing.

I'm personally really annoyed it doesn't work for small frigate/capital groups (X) or large groups of frigates/capitals/multigun corvettes (wall). I'm also annoyed that the swarmers had their fuel removed, although baffled and overjoyed to discover that the Drone Frigate actually gets **** done now.

you can play it at least, for me it crashes right after the intro.
the olden ones work though.

If you mean it seems to stop responding while loading the first mission, let it run; it'll work after a bit.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Gray on February 26, 2015, 02:16:33 pm
What have they done to the formation thing?

Honestly, fixed it. Large strikecraft formations tended to get your ships killed by causing them to do silly slide maneuvers that even ion cannon frigates could hit rather than keeping their speed up and being hard to target, and in general formations made them take greater losses. Enemies could retarget on the next ship more quickly than when they were in a dispersed group, spending less time trying to bring their own personal Sajuuks to bear and more time pewing.

I'm personally really annoyed it doesn't work for small frigate/capital groups (X) or large groups of frigates/capitals/multigun corvettes (wall). I'm also annoyed that the swarmers had their fuel removed, although baffled and overjoyed to discover that the Drone Frigate actually gets **** done now.

you can play it at least, for me it crashes right after the intro.
the olden ones work though.

If you mean it seems to stop responding while loading the first mission, let it run; it'll work after a bit.

Right after the cutscene, the first Notes of the score can be heard, the screen goes black. Followed by a bluescreen.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on February 26, 2015, 03:08:06 pm
What have they done to the formation thing?

Honestly, fixed it.
'Fixed' it by breaking it? Some fine logic there.
Bombers especially benefitted a great deal from a claw formation if you wanted a lot of firepower delivered on a single target. **** doesnt work now. Capital ships in a formation become just completely unresponsive at times.
Tactics also don't seem to do as much as it used to.

All *****ing and moaning aside, It's still a 9 outta 10 HD remaster of a timeless classic.
(http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/543019573402140257/CFA0CEB5A17D4943741E0C634A6A642755BA2C42/)
I don't even know what a kushan heavy cruiser looks like any more, never had the population slot open to make one.

Steam screenshots have some horrible jpg artifacts on them, bloody hell.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Narvi on February 26, 2015, 03:22:10 pm
I miss fuel. It was almost irrelevant but it was a nice detail.

Also the Kadesh missions are way too easy now? Is it the hitscan weapons? My multi-gun corvettes just shredded everything.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on February 26, 2015, 03:34:36 pm
For reference, your colors and badge in the campaign are determined by the colors and badge you've selected in the skirmish screen.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Narvi on February 26, 2015, 03:39:54 pm
Hey, persistent battle-scars! Neat!

Someone check and see if they carry over from mission to mission.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 26, 2015, 05:51:47 pm
Uh...Supernova Station? I don't remember that well...but the resource fields...I think I got mining ships towards them without being killed by radiation...or could I buy something from the Bentusi the mission before?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on February 26, 2015, 06:31:38 pm
Uh...Supernova Station? I don't remember that well...but the resource fields...I think I got mining ships towards them without being killed by radiation...or could I buy something from the Bentusi the mission before?
If you can afford to not mine that mission, its easier to just complete the mission with what you have and rake in the RU automatically after you jump.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 27, 2015, 04:50:07 am
Well... I squandered too much at the ghosthip mission...
I just thought that I missed something when the Bentusi showed up back then.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on February 27, 2015, 09:20:33 am
A good way to come out a richer man with the ghostship is to have a bunch of fighters/corvettes run interference and in the meantime send a fat wave of bombers around the back that attack the ghostship.

But yeah, the Bentusi don't give you anything related to the supernova mission
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 27, 2015, 09:43:32 am
Well, I lured them away with Scouts, but everytime I pulled them back they just go after my bomber/corvette wings...but its ok, all I need to do now ist move my frigs and destys into smaller groups and push along the fog...guess some repair corvettes are in good order to constantly heal the leading destroyer... but grabbing enemy ships will be a pain I guess...
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on February 27, 2015, 10:14:00 am
Yeah I dont think its worth bothering trying to salvage anything in the supernova mission, because your salvage corvettes will just go in a straight line back to the mothership and will probably leave the dustclouds at some point.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 27, 2015, 12:40:36 pm
The Ghost Ship mission was ironically a really good excuse to steal everything, or at least that damn missile destroyer. If you send in a cloud of strikecraft to distract it and then swipe the Skaal Fa then your bombers have much less to fear. Scouts are cheap and tend to live for a decent bit if you use their special ability.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Fury on February 27, 2015, 12:41:14 pm
A good way to come out a richer man with the ghostship is to have a bunch of fighters/corvettes run interference and in the meantime send a fat wave of bombers around the back that attack the ghostship.
Or just park your capitals safe distance away. Enemy ships will come after your ships and you can butcher them just like normal. Once they're gone, you can take your time with what few strike craft you may have.

In other news, is it just me or are support frigates in remastered HW1 campaign worse at repairing ships mid-combat than they used to be in the original?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: MatthTheGeek on February 27, 2015, 12:53:14 pm
Support frigs "dock" with the ship they repair like harversters do when they repair ships in HW2, therefore they lose some time with manoeuvring and the range is lower.

HW1R is full of typical HW2 modding hacks.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 27, 2015, 02:58:22 pm
But it's real fun to see four repair corvettes circling while trying to repair each other :D
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on February 27, 2015, 03:42:27 pm
Or just park your capitals safe distance away. Enemy ships will come after your ships and you can butcher them just like normal. Once they're gone, you can take your time with what few strike craft you may have.
Which is a terrible way to go about it, since you'll be destroying ships that will be yours after you deal enough damage to the ghostship.

Support frigs "dock" with the ship they repair like harversters do when they repair ships in HW2, therefore they lose some time with manoeuvring and the range is lower.

HW1R is full of typical HW2 modding hacks.
Yeah, the more time I'm thinking about it, (and lurking the /vg/ homeworld thread) the more it feels to me like this remaster is incredibly hackish and sloppy when it comes to dealing with HW1 related stuff. I called it a 9 outta 10 remaster before, but that 9 definitely doesn't apply to every aspect of it.
Formations being broken, tactics being literally useless, a lot of HW1 campaign events don't seem to trigger properly.
They definitely didn't port a lot of the HW1 mechanics into the HW2 engine properly.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: StarSlayer on February 27, 2015, 06:00:15 pm
50s Soviets Space Subs FTW, the more Chris Fossian the paint job the better :D

(http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/543019573403322664/6A4E7567472EEA2C055DD465D10D314F15510A53/)

HW1 ships might be better in some ways but two Trinity Cannon salvos rekts all the things.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 27, 2015, 08:55:47 pm
Quote
Unknown mothership has breached the perimeter of the Taiidan system! All Home Guard units to their stations!

Recon wings are not reporting back. His Imperial Majesty directs a recon in force operation. CABG 2, move out.

Command, this is CABG 2. We have multiple ships of unknown types-Sajuuk, they have at least three dozen of our own ships in among them. I count at least twenty destroyer-class or above ships, unknown number of frigates and small craft...Turanic ships among them as well... They've seen us, multiple strikecraft and light frigates closing on our position. We are engaging.

Watch the spread, watch the spread!

Group Tiirshak, keep those bombers off the CAs. Group Triikor, keep those interceptors busy.

Light frigates entering ion cannon-father of mercy! They have multiple ion cannons on a hull that size? We just lost the Tel!

Kuudarks, break up that corvette wing!

Warning, warning, corvettes were screening a trio of heavy cruisers!

Command this CABG 2, we are withdrawing, request immediate reinforcements!

Stay still you little bastard-GOT HI-

He rammed the Raa after it damaged him. Father of mercy, they're mad.

CABG 2, this is Command. His Imperial Majesty directs you to hold position. Reinforcements are inbound.

Command, are you insane? We're way outgunned here!

CABG 2, hold position. Acknowledge.

CABG 2, respond.

-Your friends are dead. Inform your emperor that he is next.-
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on February 27, 2015, 09:46:37 pm
Horrible nitpicking: The names given to Taiidan ship classes are the reporting names given to them by the Kushan, hence why they all reference things from Kharak or Kushan mythology.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Fury on February 28, 2015, 12:19:45 am
Or just park your capitals safe distance away. Enemy ships will come after your ships and you can butcher them just like normal. Once they're gone, you can take your time with what few strike craft you may have.
Which is a terrible way to go about it, since you'll be destroying ships that will be yours after you deal enough damage to the ghostship.

I've never been much of a fan of capturing ships. I prefer to make my own fleet. :p

I am really pissed at how HW1R support frigates work now, it completely kills the playstyle I like to use in HW1. I don't wanna adapt. :(
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 28, 2015, 01:42:09 am
Aesaar: Ironically, not all of them. (The Defense Field Frigate and Defense Field Fighter; hence the references to the Father of Mercy.)

Also, HW2 establishes that what we think of as Kharakian mythology probably has a wider basis, c.f. the Vaygr appropriating Sajuuk and it apparently being a common belief among several civilizations.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on February 28, 2015, 06:27:40 am
I've never been much of a fan of capturing ships. I prefer to make my own fleet. :p
You... You are not a true Hiigaran..!
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Cyborg17 on February 28, 2015, 08:42:47 am
I've never been much of a fan of capturing ships. I prefer to make my own fleet. :p
You... You are not a true Hiigaran..!
No wonder I could never beat HW1.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on February 28, 2015, 12:07:55 pm
Yup, the multi-beam frigates have lost about 50% of their coolness :(

On the other hand ... man even the Kushan vessels look good now.

I'm a bit disappointed that the field frigate's shield is now a HW2 style active ability :s
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 28, 2015, 04:19:35 pm
You can capture the heavy cruiser and the two destroyers at super nova station :D yai^^
I never finished HW1, I always failed at the hyperspace inhibitor...
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on February 28, 2015, 05:13:08 pm
Aesaar, MatthTheGeek, Caiaphas, and I just had a four-player multi match where two of us were Hiigaran and two were Taiidan, and all of us had no clue what we were doing. It was hilarious. Caiaphas got himself wiped out by MatthTheGeek early on, then Aesaar and I teamed up against MatthTheGeek. After Aesaar devastated what remained of his fleet after I lost my battlecruisers, we went into a holding pattern where we all built up our fleets (leaving poor Caiaphas bored to tears). MatthTheGeek decided to break the stalemate by jumping his fleet into Aesaar's, leaving them both in ruins and I jumped my own fleet in to mop up. It was a hectic game of hyperspace tag at the end, but the fact that I had a full set of heavy capital ships proved decisive, as 3 Hiigaran Battlecruisers and 7 Destroyers were more than a match for 4 Taiidani Missile Destroyers and a Destroyer. MatthTheGeek's flagship proved surprisingly durable, surviving long enough to jump away at least three times, but he finally jumped under my Mothership, where a dozen squadrons of bombers had just finished assembling, wiping it out before my Battlecruisers even finished jumping in (although it managed to finish builting another Heavy Cruiser right before its HP hit zero, which the BCs dropped to 0 HP right as the Taiidan flagship finished exploding).

It was hilarious fun.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on February 28, 2015, 05:22:44 pm
Taiidan Destroyers are significantly better at killing capships than Hiigaran ones, but Hiigaran BCs are better ships than Taiidan Heavy Cruisers in pretty much every way (except that the BC needs a module to jump and a CA does not.  Also, Taiidan CAs look cooler).
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 28, 2015, 05:43:26 pm
What the heck?!
They limited the salvage corvettes to 14?!
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: MatthTheGeek on March 01, 2015, 11:31:45 am
Thought I'd share a few wallpaper material I took over my playthrough.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/7wvkj3cw2xg8gf0/ss00002.jpg) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/7wvkj3cw2xg8gf0/ss00002.jpg)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/i2lb8dn4b6tpr2d/ss00004.jpg) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/i2lb8dn4b6tpr2d/ss00004.jpg)

(http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/529508774521437645/3F19A2CFB4C7A2ADBCE872BEB8FC57FFEBC5DC3C/) (http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/529508774521437645/3F19A2CFB4C7A2ADBCE872BEB8FC57FFEBC5DC3C/)

(http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/529508774521530024/59027AE20FC86674356951455920B21CDEBA69FA/) (http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/529508774521530024/59027AE20FC86674356951455920B21CDEBA69FA/)

(http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/529508774521764644/93F22E414EA0333920F2DF1E59EAE518DD7A1C68/) (http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/529508774521764644/93F22E414EA0333920F2DF1E59EAE518DD7A1C68/)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/i2s0d3ld0cl6egu/ss00012.jpg) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/i2s0d3ld0cl6egu/ss00012.jpg)

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Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Scourge of Ages on March 01, 2015, 03:24:05 pm
Ah, the ol' giant sphere of beamy death... Good times.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on March 02, 2015, 06:24:36 am
I managed to save 5 or 6 of the cryo trays.  I THINK one of them got blown up right as it was loading, but I was too busy to confirm.  I found out the best way to save the most trays is to start loading them immediately.  Capturing a frigate can wait.  Of course, if I am not mistaken the enemy fleet is scaled to your own, so since I had a decent sized group of strikecraft there quite a few enemy frigates.

Sure I'd capture the frigates if I could, but that's lower priority for me (though its a shame there's no bonus for saving more cryotrays unlike in HW2 where saving the 5th and 6th supply ship gets you bonus strikecraft).  I did jack all the Turanic raiders' corvettes, but was disappointed I couldn't steal their carrier (I'll grab a Taiidan carrier as soon as I can)  I wish capture could be box selected, so it didn't take as much micro to capture a bunch of ships at once.

I have to say I like how HW2 handles strikecraft better.  Individual corvettes and especially fighters die so quickly it's hard to dock them up in time whereas wings get free replacements even if you still have a single, burning fighter/corvette. Might have been easier if they autodocked when they hit yellow or red.  Speaking of which, I seem to remember HW1 was supposed to have a fuel mechanic, is that still around or are support frigates just repair vessels now?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BritishShivans on March 02, 2015, 07:49:38 am
I disagree. HW2 handles squadrons and formation behaviour far worse than HW1 ever could have. ANd yeah, the repairing is a hackish version of the resource collector repair upgrade. Support frigates have to get in close and dock and as a result they're pretty much useless, since the time they take to dock vs. the damage they repair is not worth it vs a repair corvette swarm.

And no, fuel isn't present because HW:R is running on the HW2 engine.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on March 02, 2015, 08:11:47 am
HW2 squadrons work just fine.  It's trying to apply it to individual ships that's the problem.
Besides I meant SQUADRONS not the actual formations.  You have ti deploy fighters en-masse anyways, so having them already come in groups makes things more manageable, and again, the ability to replace lost fighters in a squadron helps prevent your strikecraft from all being wiped out.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Buckshee Rounds on March 02, 2015, 08:56:44 am
Yeah, the more time I'm thinking about it, (and lurking the /vg/ homeworld thread) the more it feels to me like this remaster is incredibly hackish and sloppy when it comes to dealing with HW1 related stuff. I called it a 9 outta 10 remaster before, but that 9 definitely doesn't apply to every aspect of it.
Formations being broken, tactics being literally useless, a lot of HW1 campaign events don't seem to trigger properly.
They definitely didn't port a lot of the HW1 mechanics into the HW2 engine properly.

The HW1 stuff is pretty much unplayable for me atm. I loved being able to put my strikecraft into formations and changing tactics based on how the fight was going. Now they just break formation, fly in and try broadsiding each other with forward-facing weapons. Attack move doesn't work because they won't fly in formation and so won't move as a group. Strikecraft were my bread and butter in HW1 and seeing them like this is pretty crushing.

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but in the old HW1 they actually had a working ballistics model ie. the rounds travelled through space. If you had a scout fly into a mass driver round from a heavy cruiser or an ion beam they'd get vaporised which was just so cool. Now that the game uses HW2's RNG it doesn't make a lick of difference what tactics you use, your fighters won't dodge and instead of machine gunning loads of rounds into the target they fire those annoying single blasts (which incidentally miss half the time). In HW1 the ships hardly ever missed, but if you used evasive tactics your fighters would dodge out the way and genuinely survive longer. I'm no purist, but it's this kind of minimising of the tactical aspects of the game that really rubs me the wrong way.

I disagree. HW2 handles squadrons and formation behaviour far worse than HW1 ever could have. ANd yeah, the repairing is a hackish version of the resource collector repair upgrade. Support frigates have to get in close and dock and as a result they're pretty much useless, since the time they take to dock vs. the damage they repair is not worth it vs a repair corvette swarm.

And no, fuel isn't present because HW:R is running on the HW2 engine.

Ah so that's what that is. I was trying to figure out why my support frigs refuse to repair salvage corvettes. In HW1 they had the speed and repair range to keep your salvettes alive long enough to nab everything with an engine. Now my salvettes just die to everything and I'm forced to waste resources pumping out more, not to mention the ridiculously arbitrary 14 handicap making it infinitely more difficult to salvage everything.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Hades on March 02, 2015, 09:09:33 am
I'm not autistic so I was able to play HW1RM just fine and beat it, despite the differences from the original (most of which are important, yes)
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on March 02, 2015, 09:15:23 am
Yeah.  I might stop playing HW1 till they fix the problems with strike craft and give the support ships a proper repair beam.
The asteroid mission is majorly screwing me over.  Apparently two dozen fighters is no match for a bunch of slow asteroids as ALL of my fighters and bombers managed to get wiped out in minutes.

I'm not autistic so I was able to play HW1RM just fine and beat it, despite the differences from the original (most of which are important, yes)
It's playable, but it's annoying.  HW1 ships should be using HW1 mechanics unless they want to redesign strikecraft to use squadrons, but that would result in screams of "they changed it now it sucks" for being less faithful to the original.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Mars on March 02, 2015, 10:01:34 am
Never played HW1 before this, so most of this didn't bug me. Fighter formations are obviously broken though, and sometimes units will refuse to break away from combat, regardless of tactics setting.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on March 02, 2015, 02:11:24 pm
Ah so that's what that is. I was trying to figure out why my support frigs refuse to repair salvage corvettes. In HW1 they had the speed and repair range to keep your salvettes alive long enough to nab everything with an engine. Now my salvettes just die to everything and I'm forced to waste resources pumping out more, not to mention the ridiculously arbitrary 14 handicap making it infinitely more difficult to salvage everything.
lolwut.  Salvage Corvettes are salvage gods compared to HW1.  They latch on so much faster using them takes no effort whatsoever.  They're even more overpowered than they used to be, even with the 14 cap.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: jr2 on March 02, 2015, 02:23:59 pm
Doesn't this come with the original versions as well? I've got it, haven't installed yet.


Someone should make a better HW1Port?  I dunno.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on March 02, 2015, 02:34:15 pm
Doesn't this come with the original versions as well? I've got it, haven't installed yet.
Yes.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on March 02, 2015, 04:27:52 pm
lolwut.  Salvage Corvettes are salvage gods compared to HW1.  They latch on so much faster using them takes no effort whatsoever.  They're even more overpowered than they used to be, even with the 14 cap.
Yeah, I don't remember salvage corvettes being able to capture those turanic raider corvettes nearly as easily in HW1 as they do in this remaster.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Fury on March 03, 2015, 07:34:47 am
HW1R: 70 Kushan bombers vs 3 Taiidan Heavy Cruisers. Guess which wins?
Spoiler:
Heavy Cruisers.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: BirdofPrey on March 03, 2015, 08:28:28 am
The cruisers.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Spoon on March 03, 2015, 10:28:08 am
Would that result be the same in original homeworld? (I'm guessing not, since bombers feel incredibly ****ty in hw1r and the cruisers would probably not be able to actually hit the bombers)
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: MatthTheGeek on March 03, 2015, 11:45:47 am
HW1 classic is exactly how HW1 was. They just fixed compatibility issues with recent OS and support for larger res and stuff.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Scourge of Ages on March 03, 2015, 08:07:13 pm
Has anybody been able to mod the art assets from HW1R back into HW1 classic, yet? Is such a thing even possible?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: The E on March 04, 2015, 12:40:21 am
Has anybody been able to mod the art assets from HW1R back into HW1 classic, yet? Is such a thing even possible?

I think HW1's engine will choke and die on the models and textures.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Narvi on March 04, 2015, 12:29:46 pm
Has anybody been able to mod the art assets from HW1R back into HW1 classic, yet? Is such a thing even possible?

I think HW1's engine will choke and die on the models and textures.

HW1's engine has actually been open-source since 2003.

I'm surprised they didn't do more with it than port to Linux, but I guess people who keep complaining about HW2's RNG don't really care that much.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: MatthTheGeek on March 04, 2015, 04:28:46 pm
HW1 source license was an "all your code are belong to us" ****ery noone really wanted to have anything to do with.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: An4ximandros on March 04, 2015, 04:45:03 pm
Ah yes, the Nintendo-tentacle down throat type license. You might as well not release source code if you do it like that. :doubt:
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: NGTM-1R on March 06, 2015, 01:48:38 pm
I am literally throwing things in rage right now. Because they nuked fuel and didn't know how else to balance Swarmers, they had to give them timer when they went back to a fuel pod or just stopped moving.

Because that timer wouldn't apply to player Swarmers, they made Swarmers uncapturable.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on March 11, 2015, 10:48:06 am
A battlefleet Gothic mod was never done for Homeworld, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Aesaar on March 11, 2015, 12:26:42 pm
There was one being worked on many years ago.  Like most projects of that scope, it died.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Fury on March 11, 2015, 12:29:29 pm
But there is a rts game called Battlefleet Gothic: Armada in the works.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: bigchunk1 on March 24, 2015, 01:32:21 pm
As soon as I found out about this I got it. I have not tried it yet, but you probably can play Matth's BP mod on this in the multiplayer beta. If we could get that to work that would be awesome. Some Buntu-GTVA matches going.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on March 24, 2015, 01:50:42 pm
Unless he snuck out an update while I wasn't looking, HWBP is not playable in multiplayer.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 16, 2016, 02:02:24 pm
Recently replayed the HW2 campaign...
What bothers me, why leaving the pride inside Balcora? Because she required a wirehead and only Karan Sjet is one?
Considering the Pride wake jumped the whole fleet, it should've been possible to just drag the pride along and use her after lifting the siege.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: The E on February 16, 2016, 02:08:12 pm
Because she required a wirehead and only Karan Sjet is one?

Yes.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: crizza on February 16, 2016, 02:59:01 pm
Plot weakness?
How much time has passed between HW1 and 2?
A wirehead can commandeer a ship on his own, he needs crew but that's it.
AFAIK, Karan stepped forward to once again take command, but she got the Pride because she insisted.
Sounds like there would've been other wireheads...
Anyway, a shame to leave the Pride, but at least she is save.

While the last mission was a cakewalk, Balcora was...odd.
Took out the shipyard, which prompted the AI to keep it's forces close...
5 BCs, the dreadnought and several DDs against my force.
I wittled them down in two waves of bomber and pulsars, supported by Ion cannon frigates and DDs.
Remembered this to be easier in the classic.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: The E on February 16, 2016, 03:02:17 pm
Plot weakness?
How much time has passed between HW1 and 2?
A wirehead can commandeer a ship on his own, he needs crew but that's it.
AFAIK, Karan stepped forward to once again take command, but she got the Pride because she insisted.
Sounds like there would've been other wireheads...
Anyway, a shame to leave the Pride, but at least she is save.

There are no indications that there are other hiigarans with neural interfaces similar to Karan's.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Galemp on February 16, 2016, 03:34:05 pm
Just watched some of the side-by-side/splitscreen videos. We oughta make an in-mission cutscene and do the same thing with retail and MediaVPs.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Colonol Dekker on February 17, 2016, 05:28:17 am
I only just downloaded this for the first time last week after pre ordering.

Runs on on the other half's macbook.  But the cut scenes seem a bit ruined. No idea how maybe it's nostalgia goggles but they don't feel as nice
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: FrikgFeek on February 20, 2016, 03:17:03 am
Just watched some of the side-by-side/splitscreen videos. We oughta make an in-mission cutscene and do the same thing with retail and MediaVPs.

You mean kinda like this?
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Kobrar44 on June 07, 2016, 11:14:53 am
HWR is now on GOG. Finally!
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Klaustrophobia on June 07, 2016, 01:27:38 pm
This is why I need to not buy games until I'm actually going to play them.
Title: Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Post by: Hades on June 08, 2016, 12:43:50 am
Huge update released today too, including proper formations, tactics, rebalancing, ballistics instead of RNG shots, and more. Some things need a lil' tweaking but all in all it's a great update.