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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Fury on February 14, 2015, 11:04:13 am
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>> HLP Hardware and OS Survey 2015 << (http://goo.gl/forms/iFloHx4M5Y)
I created the survey in Google Forms, it will require login but also allows you to edit your responses afterwards.
You can view statistics of collected responses here (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1w2skZOK1uGLcDT44mLAt8HQu5aMbsBtkpwxMCwEyN4g/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm).
Also, you can view full spreadsheet of collected answers here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EhdQ8R4SfZwKMtIOa4pb4zLCw_U7mnY2U6VpSzDOnv0/edit?usp=sharing).
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done
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Just finished. Afraid I didn't know about my OpenGL but if I find out I'll edit it to include it. My PC is an old one so probably a poor example but hope it is of help.
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Doing mine now. I couldn't find the OpenGL version in GPU-Z, so I used GLView (http://download.cnet.com/OpenGL-Extensions-Viewer/3000-18487_4-34442.html).
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I'm not entirely sure what level of directX mine supports (GTX 670). GPU-Z just says 11. Nvidia's specs page has the line heading as 11.2, but to the right in the data column it just says 11. I would have thought the 670 is new enough to support all the latest things, but I guess I don't know how new 11.1 and 11.2 are.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_600_series
Supports 11.0.
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For those running OSX, do you want the DirectX/OpenGL versions supported by the hardware or what the operating system actually uses?
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If OS X is the limiting factor, then you probably should pick what OS X supports.
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Token Hackintosh datapoint submitted.
Edit: I should note that FSO currently uses OpenGL 2.1 on OSX because it needs a compatibility profile or something in order to take advantage of whatever version the OS/hardware combo actually supports.
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I thought 2.1 was the version FSO used anyway
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Hee, I think I'm setting the bottom-tier responses in multiple categories. Huzzah!
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Whoever has the monster cpu with more than 16 cores, I'm not even jealous, my dual-core-which-cant-even-beat-out-my-roommates-phone processor is more than enough. :P
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There are those 16 and 18 core Xeons out there. They are clocked pretty low though and cost $4000 or more.
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Hey, don't look at me, I'm the sole Luddite still running XP.
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I'm one of those running a dual core, also - Core 2 Duo E8500, 4 GB DDR2, GTX480. I'm trying to save up about $400 to get a Core i5 4690, 8 GB DDR3, and of course a new motherboard.
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Oh god is my core system really over 4 years old!?
Still running a Deneb
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Can't take part in this since I don't have the required account, but for what it's worth, I still have two computers running XP and the oldest PC in the house is at least 9 years old... like, totally first-generation C2D/C2Q platforms...
I'm assuming this has to do with future FSO development? Does it? :nervous:
One thing I like about FSO for my use case atm, run it with retail assets and it's still playable enough on the oldest C2D's of reasonable speed ~2.0GHz+, can't say the same for some present-day games that have none of FSO's depth, yet lag on laptop i7's even with everything turned down. Unless there's people out there who run FSO on #@$%ing tablets or anything far too old or anything < 1999MHz with just integrated gfx... then I guess my "low system requirements" argument doesn't work :banghead:
/this thread makes my brain think of the pentium g3258 completely at random... oh wait, in pure naivety clock speed terms, that thing's faster than anything I run right now...
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Can't take part in this since I don't have the required account
Really, no Google account? How is that even possible on this day and age. :)
I'm assuming this has to do with future FSO development?
It is for purely informational purposes to be used by anyone who wishes to know where to focus development effort. I didn't make it specifically for FSO, although they can use it as a reference if they so wish.
One thing I like about FSO for my use case atm, run it with retail assets and it's still playable enough on the oldest C2D's of reasonable speed
I hope you can accept the possibility that one day that simply may not be true anymore. Although this is less about hardware itself and more about operating systems.
Keeping support for old hardware and operating systems cause technical debt on code base that is hard to maintain, particularly when said hardware and operating systems are no longer used by any developers. That also applies to any dependencies and tools used to build executables. Those dependencies or tools will eventually drop support for old hardware and operating systems. All this while there is need to keep enhancing the code base in order to support new features made possible by newer hardware and operating systems, or at the very least make sure the code base supports new hardware and operating systems. As unfortunate as it is for some people, time goes only forward and there is only so much you can achieve in given time with limited resources.
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I have added link in the first post to Google spreadsheet that contains all collected answers, if you want even more details.
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Eh, I have Intelgrated HD 3000 & dedicated nVidia GT540M; my responses got interesting. xD
Just finished. Afraid I didn't know about my OpenGL but if I find out I'll edit it to include it. My PC is an old one so probably a poor example but hope it is of help.
GPUZ didn't have the Open GL versions but you can look them up here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units
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Filled in my specs to the form
i5 3570k
7970
16GB RAM
1Gb internet
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I am wondering if you might also want to ask what display resolution people are running as well.
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Just finished. Afraid I didn't know about my OpenGL but if I find out I'll edit it to include it. My PC is an old one so probably a poor example but hope it is of help.
GPUZ didn't have the Open GL versions
GPU Caps Viewer shows OpenGL version
http://www.geeks3d.com/20150127/gpu-caps-viewer-1-23-0-released/
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@ Fury
I used to have one during the blogging heyday before tweets and fb de facto killed it, but I closed it at one point because of TOS or something. Don't remember. Probably need it again (whether I like it or not) depending on where life takes me, I suppose. (insert juggernaught megacorp arguments here... but then again MS is no better :nervous:)
Yeah I can understand the "change is constant, no choice but to keep up" argument, it's fine. I'm just somewhat irked with the possible scenario e.g. a 2D sprite game or a Visual Novel type game, or even some low-budget 3D FPS boomHEADSHOT/aircraft pewpewFOX2/racer fnf turbo NAAWZZZ/whatever; gfx levels and feature set don't look like they would demand the absolute latest i3/5/7 setups, seems workable on a competent C2D/Quad without too much FPS hiccups, but then you load it up, and then it just... crawls, even on the lowest settings.
I don't think I'm some crazy luddite either, I just kinda don't see the Core 2 -> Core iX architecture jump as extreme as my little kid days (P1 133Mhz/Win95/FRED1 when Pentium 4's were halfway through their lifespan). But now late in the i7 generation, run stuff with a C2D and it's just slow/laggy...
Ah well enough of my ranting to nowhere... gaaah this just makes me worried, what if by the time I go all out on an i7, suddenly Intel/AMD introduce an all-new platform? Obsolete overnight. But that's how fast IT moves. :banghead:
Anyway TLDR right now I'm on some "long-term borrowed" i7 2xxx laptop because the old Q6600 is NTLDR is missing and fixboot fixmbr didn't work this time and live CD's don't load.
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So its safe to assume that standard FSO rig is a dual-core 4gb ram, opengl 4.0 1gb Vram machine. How exactly is this useful?
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So its safe to assume that standard FSO rig is a dual-core 4gb ram, opengl 4.0 1gb Vram machine. How exactly is this useful?
Quad Core (given FSO's single core nature I would have said CPU speed was more relevant but hey ho)
8gb Ram
^These two guide Moders on how system heavy they can make their content
OpenGL 4.0-4.5
Operating System
Instruction Set
^Guide FSO on how new features using modern technology will affect FSO player/userbase accessibility
The Rest is just cool to know
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I don't think I'm some crazy luddite either, I just kinda don't see the Core 2 -> Core iX architecture jump as extreme as my little kid days (P1 133Mhz/Win95/FRED1 when Pentium 4's were halfway through their lifespan). But now late in the i7 generation, run stuff with a C2D and it's just slow/laggy...
Apart from games, it's hard to find a good reason for upgrades these days. My primary system is still built around an AMD 4850e from 2008 (and the few games I care to play are even older).
The last major upgrade I had to do was when I needed a new video card, but couldn't find anything nice for my AGP mobo..
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I have multiple machines. Can I take the survey more than once?
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Can I take the survey more than once?
Nope. Or you can if you have multiple google accounts, but really, just pick the pc you use for playing latest games.
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Had to do a bit of digging on the supported versions of stuff, but...done. Hope it helps someone! :D
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Windows 10 and DX12 should probably be added to the list.
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Those will be in the list next year, as neither was or still is officially available.
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Pre-release OSes shouldn't really ever be in the survey.
Still think screen size and resolution should be, though
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Those will be in the list next year, as neither was or still is officially available.
Pre-release OSes shouldn't really ever be in the survey.
Still think screen size and resolution should be, though
Considering we've been officially recommending 3.7.2 RCx for how long now...
The OS (10 Tech Preview) is rock solid as far as I've seen. I mean, do what you want, but IMHO it's running fine.
Besides.
All you're going to accomplish is artificially inflating Win 7 / Win 8.1 results. i.e., I would choose one of those instead of accurately reporting that I use 10 Tech Preview (because I haven't had a reason to boot into 7 since installing it). :shrug: