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Title: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 14, 2015, 10:24:44 pm
A person of unknown affiliation operating under the moniker 'truth' has targeted this community. Their aim is to spread disinformation and confusion. We do not, at this time, have a clear description of their motives or political affiliation. But we know that the best defense is a clear, honest dialogue with all of you.

Here at the office we take this situation very seriously. We have tasked personnel and technical assets to help sanitize the threat, contain overspill, and help this community stay information-safe. Unfortunately, due to strategic pressure I'm sure you're all well aware of, we have to rely on your assistance to complete our objectives: the arrest of 'truth' and the identification of their employers, if any.

We'll do our best to keep you updated on the situation.

current activity

GRANITE HUNTER team status
team goals: obtain trust keys. return to truth with -attach[]. identify truth handler. you - join up as an analyst!
LTO on grid and covert

TRUTH cell status
team goals: obtain trust key. return to truth. identify GRANITE HUNTER LTO
cell handler on grid and covert

analysis teams

task force NEMESIS
understanding the shivans
0 relays online
0 hits generated

task force MORPHEUS
new threat axes
0 relays online
0 hits generated

task force HESTIA
restoring legitimate rule
0 relays online
0 hits generated

deep space/deep time context
know the terrain
0 relays online
0 hits generated

unassigned relays
waiting for tasking
9 relays online
9 hits generated

***


tactical briefing

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Truth is leaking documents. Truth works through one of you: a HANDLER. They are among you now.

The handler gets trust keys from Truth, short phrases such as PLATEAU BUILDER or UBUNTU LIES. Community members seeking trust keys will reach out to the handler or their agents.

Whenever anyone PMs a trust key back to Truth, this creates a relay. When enough relays are active, Truth will upload a document.

You can help us locate Truth by getting trust keys, adding the suffix '-attach[]' to the end, and PMing them to Truth. This creates a trace relay. Trace relays help us locate and stop Truth. We have selected a Lead Tactical Operative from your community's volunteers. The LTO will help organize your efforts against Truth.

Those of you who don't want to get involved as operatives can still help! We need analysts to help us locate Truth. We are establishing a system to help organize and reward your efforts.

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If the HANDLER can be identified from among the community members, GRANITE HUNTER may establish strike relays to expose them and obtain intelligence. Success may be tactically decisive. Failure will be politically problematic and may compromise secure information.

Truth's cell members may also organize strikes against the GRANITE HUNTER LTO, compromising their communications and intelligence. Failure may expose Truth cell members and information.

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If the situation intensifies, additional technical means may be provided to the LTO.


***


incident log

Incident 1
'truth' disseminated a fragmentary and incoherent document (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=89320.0) to the community. We believe this was an error, perhaps a consequence of truth's attempts to build an interface with local systems. The document is not significant.

Incident 2
According to reports provided to GRANITE HUNTER, a user named 'phelamanga' provided a community member with a fabricated document. This document was transferred on IRC via an encrypted offsite. The community successfully contained this overspill and we are not aware of any further copies of the document in circulation. As a reward and performance incentive, GRANITE HUNTER authorized the release of Candidate 616A9707YBPTR (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=89321.msg1779486#msg1779486).

Incident 3
UPLOAD ATTEMPT 1
Intercepted chatter and surveillance technical means indicate 'truth' has recruited community members to serve as covert relays. Relays allow 'truth' to anonymously move information. Three relays are now active. BritishShivans has reported one fabricated document (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=89339.msg1779671#msg1779671) and we expect more. Another was detected by GRANITE HUNTER operatives hidden in a bug report by FrikgFeek (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=89339.msg1779738#msg1779738). A final component of the leak was reported by An4ximandros (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=89339.msg1779763#msg1779763). Please assist us in containing this disinformation.

Incident 4
STRIKE 1
GRANITE HUNTER assets under the direction of the LTO have initiated a strike on someone they believe to be Truth's cell handler. Two community members have volunteered as strike relays. Success will reveal the name of the cell handler. Failure may be due to an incorrect target or due to a strike relay sabotaging the strike. The strike failed due to sabotage by one of the strike relays.

Incident 5
STRIKE 2
TRUTH cell assets are following up on the failed STRIKE 1 by attacking the exposed GRANITE HUNTER LTO [SCOTTY]. Two community members are serving as relays for a network attack intended to extract additional data and insert surveillance systems. In the event of success, this is a serious tactical threat. We are assuming a hardened posture and preparing to fall back and reassess. The strike succeeded, badly compromising GRANITE HUNTER and forcing a temporary fallback.

Incident 6
UPLOAD ATTEMPT 2
Operating through a new cell handler, Truth activated four covert relays to move another set of classified documents. Although the upload succeeded, one relay was compromised by a GRANITE HUNTER operative. The leaked documents have yet to be made public.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: truth on March 14, 2015, 10:54:24 pm
once GTVI paid a design firm so much money for a logo animation that they have to use it on everything, everywhere, even though deep down we all realize it looks like a giant butt swallowing up the alliance insignia

come and get me
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: EatThePath on March 14, 2015, 11:30:01 pm
I must admit I don't keep up with current events very well, but anyone who has to arrest truth and uses that much doublespeak does have a bit of a public image issue.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: procdrone on March 15, 2015, 05:10:10 am
Alright, im completly confused right now.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: T-Man on March 15, 2015, 05:47:43 am
I think I know who the players of this game are; but I cannot speak in public; this is a game of misinformation and manipulation, where both sides hear every word and can trace every name. Those who dare play tread quietly and carefully.

Game on.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 15, 2015, 09:05:10 am
Alright, im completly confused right now.

Can we help clarify anything for you? We want the whole community to feel informed and vigilant.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: procdrone on March 15, 2015, 09:33:30 am
Yes. Provide me more detail... Names... allegiances... codes... (especially encryption codes, decryption codes) and so on...

I am sane any longer?  In case Im not, Ill leave my last message...

Code: [Select]
**** TRANSMISSION BEGIN - CODE NATO SECURED ENCRYPTION  ****

INDIA DELTA INDIA OSCAR TANGO

ECHO VICTOR ECHO ROMEO YANKEE OSCAR NOVEMBER ECHO

GOLF OSCAR NOVEMBER ECHO

NOVEMBER UNIFORM TANGO SIERRA

**** TRANSMISSION END - SECURED ENCRYPTION ****


Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on March 15, 2015, 10:30:35 am
idiot
everyone
gone
nuts
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: T-Man on March 15, 2015, 01:51:32 pm
Alright, im completly confused right now.
Can we help clarify anything for you? We want the whole community to feel informed and vigilant.
Yes as TheHound has said, a little more information about yourself and this situation would be appreciated; what is this information to do with? Who do you work for? Why are you so evasive about the situation? You're asking for a lot of trust from us, and yet we know so little about you, not to mention whom you may work for.

Given how easy it is to manipulate electronic media, and to articulate discourses through it to try and force a particular perspective, it's difficult to trust anyone at face value. I would hate for us to be hoodwinked into stopping someone warning us about something, or stopping them from whistleblowing some horrific act (like war crimes committed by an admiral, or that admiral lying to his people's closest allies, to give some wild examples). It's important in situations like this to ensure there are no restrictions on the information, so that we may be fully informed in our decision making.

We must, as you say, remain informed and vigilant Granite Hunter. I'm sure you understand; after all, if you have nothing to hide and are here to help us, then why hide anything from us? :)
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 15, 2015, 02:09:25 pm
We represent the one legitimate, lawful authority in this jurisdiction. Our interest is the safety and security of the human race. We don't have to remind anyone here what happened the last time a subversive ideology gained traction in our lives — or how dearly it cost us to end that ideology's reign of terror.

When the enemy can't use ships or guns to attack us, they turn to lies. The truth is difficult and painful. Lies can be tailored to appeal to your fears and insecurities. That's why lies move so quickly, why we have to work together to stop them, and why stopping them hurts so much more than succumbing to them.

Surveillance technical means have detected anonymous traffic through local relays. Some of your fellow community members are, as we speak, helping to upload one of Truth's fabricated documents. Others are coordinating the effort to find new relays and working to identify our own agents. They are among you now.

Stand up to them. Stand together. We're here for you. If you believe you've been contacted by an agent of Truth, or if you have information that could help identify these agents, reach out to us immediately.

We are currently interested in any information on a user named phelamanga. What can you tell us? Is this a pseudonym of Truth?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: procdrone on March 15, 2015, 02:18:56 pm
Im not sure if this is really some elaborate plot, or some sort of high level trolling going on.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: T-Man on March 15, 2015, 02:31:10 pm
I can see no user by that name on this forum, nor a instance of that phrase outside of your postings Granite. Perhaps your information is incorrect?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on March 15, 2015, 03:00:09 pm
Im not sure if this is really some elaborate plot, or some sort of high level trolling going on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: LurkMcGurk on March 15, 2015, 03:24:07 pm
coun·ter·in·sur·gen·cy
ˌkoun(t)ərinˈsərjənsē/
noun
noun: counter-insurgency; noun: counterinsurgency

    military or political action taken against the activities of guerrillas or revolutionaries.
    "a counterinsurgency force"

Principles of counterinsurgency:

- Legitimacy as the main objective "We represent the one legitimate, lawful authority in this jurisdiction"
- Unity of effort "Stand up to them. Stand together. We're here for you."
- Intelligence as the driver for operations "We are currently interested in any information on a user named phelamanga. What can you tell us?"
- Isolating insurgents from their cause and support "We don't have to remind anyone here what happened the last time a subversive ideology gained traction in our lives"
- Security under the rule of law "Our interest is the safety and security of the human race"

Imperatives:

- Manage information and expectations "Can we help clarify anything for you? We want the whole community to feel informed and vigilant."
- Empower the lowest levels "if you have information that could help identify these agents, reach out to us immediately."

Paradox:

- The best weapons for counterinsurgency don't fire bullets "When the enemy can't use ships or guns to attack us, they turn to lies."



Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: BritishShivans on March 15, 2015, 03:40:18 pm
Many faces coming out of the woodwork. I would not trust any side in this.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: FrikgFeek on March 15, 2015, 04:11:52 pm
And the ****storm continues...
Seriously, are we really hunting down some random jackass going around calling your logos ****(they kinda are) and posting half-baked "leaks" now? It's really not our business to care about YOUR data security, especially when all the leaks are so underwhelming.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 15, 2015, 07:06:47 pm
Relay activity has concluded. Please be prepared to contain overspill.

Surveillance technical means have identified the relays. We will conference with our LTO before determining how to use this information.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: T-Man on March 15, 2015, 07:42:47 pm
What do we do if we find anything? Bit confused still. Should we just PM you or anyone else?

Haven't seen anything yet though.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: BritishShivans on March 15, 2015, 08:48:39 pm
http://pastebin.com/tQYuLffD

I trust neither side in this, but this information needs to be spread.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: The Dagger on March 15, 2015, 09:21:25 pm
We already knew command let Bosch (celtic triple) escape... that ain't much new info.
To know that everybody was trying to pass as the leader of Sol, that's funny.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: BritishShivans on March 15, 2015, 09:30:27 pm
Notice the part about MacDuff, though? This is where things get weird.

It seems that the GTVA has had knowledge of what's been happening in Sol for far longer than previously believed. Or GTVI, at least.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 15, 2015, 09:41:33 pm
We are updating our summary of the situation to include this latest fabricated document. We will authorize a post here to help the community identify misinformation and analyze truth's behavior. This report was submitted by BritishShivans.

HEADER BEGINS
Hello relay1!
Hello truth!
Are you feeling discreet?
We are very discreet!
HEADER ENDS

and power was given unto them over the children of the earth, to speak falsely of home, to speak falsely of war, to speak falsely of friends, and of enemies, and of the shapes in the dark

behold a pale kingdom, in a hidden place!

Quote

    SECURE PRIORITY COMMUNIQUE
    distribution SOLITAIRE, keyword PASQUINADE, source CIRCULAR
    FROM: BALCONY VIEW
    TO: COLDMORN

    Welcome to hell. I'm your new Ahriman. No one elects us and no one gets rid of us which makes us, as much as everyone would like to think otherwise post-Glaive, the only enduring policymakers in this post-terrestrial mess. Our first priority is the safety of the species. Implicit in that is the ugly truth: we need to hold on to the ability to save the species.

    I understand your reaction to the Remillard Receipts. Very few of us ever respond well to the coverup. Let me assure you that very few of those who work the problem end up disagreeing. What else do we do with the transmissions?

    To me, the more interesting questions are these: how much of it is true? Who do we believe? If MacDuff is actually in control of a disintegrating civilization, do we need to be prepared for military confrontation? If Human Futures is seeding a soft tyranny, do we need to be prepare for a soft war? And what about the interference? Who's doing that? Who has that capability? Who wants to keep us cut off?

    The one that keeps me up at night is this: did we actually make a clean sweep during Templar? Or did one of those Shiva-****ers smuggle a copy out?

    In any case. Much as we might call them jealous, our counterparts in the Complicated Place are correct. We don't need the fact of a homeworld right now. We need the hope of a home to get back to, and, failing the presence of that hope, the dream of a brighter world for our children.

    I can't believe 'lost generation' caught on. I hate that book. We came through hellfire and ruin and the loss of everything and now we have a chance, here, to make something new.

    Let's get to it.

Quote

    SECURE PRIORITY COMMUNIQUE
    distribution SOLITAIRE, keyword ERGOSPHERE, source CIRC_NEW_WARHARD
    FROM: COLDMORN
    TO: BALCONY VIEW

    we're a year deep and i feel like i've heard more doubletalk and lies than a vasudan bartender. my friends are in play in polaris and they're killing each other. you think the navy has it bad? at least they don't work in the same room as the other side!

    and i still can't get an honest brief. ANSWER ME STRAIGHT

    1) did we, you and all your BALCONY creatures, aim CELTIC TRIPLE at the deneb artifacts? or was it the CABLE STAMP crew? i understand that CABLE STAMP cares about earth and you don't. CELTIC TRIPLE has something you want and something they want

    2) was CELTIC TRIPLE one of us before he went out into the cold? did we send him out there to do this? is all of this our project, the pogroms, the harbinger hit on cygnus prime, just to get the deneb artifacts wherever they're going?

    3) what the **** is ETAK and why do we need it so badly?

    BALCONY VIEW -> COLDMORN
    we're still people up here. we hate this as much as you do. right now i am working with CABLE STAMP and the Complicated Place to figure out how we can all get what we want. remember the top priority. i'm putting you on BLACK DOVE and i want him on ETAK

Quote

    FLASH FLASH FLASH
    ISN BACKBREAKER FASTEST
    S 0808 BAST $DATE_DYN_REFRAME
    FM COLDMORN
    TO CINCDEN, CINCSIR
    ACTION DIRECTIVE TO FOLLOW

    SECCON AUTHORITY. IMMEDIATE EFFECT.

    PULL BLOCKADE ON SIRIUS-DENEB JUMP NODE.

    HOLD OFF ON CELTIC TRIPLE INTERCEPT. MAINTAIN PURSUIT POSTURE BUT DO NOT ENGAGE. STRATEGICALLY VITAL THAT CELTIC TRIPLE TRANSIT NODE UNIMPAIRED

    RATIONALE TO FOLLOW

    SENDIT SENDIT SENDIT


FOOTER BEGINS
Thank you relay1.
You're welcome, truth!
Black birds will come looking for you now.
We will be ready for black birds.
FOOTER ENDS
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 15, 2015, 10:43:26 pm
ALERT!
We have detected a strike relay now online.

GRANITE HUNTER operatives are attacking TRUTH'S CELL HANDLER! These operatives are volunteers from your community working with whoever is serving as GRANITE HUNTER'S LTO. Through covert fieldwork in your community's forums and IRC channels, they have determined who they believe to be Truth's handler.

If they have successfully identified the handler, the handler's identity will be revealed and some of their communications will be compromised. TRUTH'S cell will be set back severely and GRANITE HUNTER will reward success.

If they are attacking the wrong target, or if one of the strike relays sabotages their relay with -attach[], the GRANITE HUNTER LTO may be compromised. GRANITE HUNTER assets should prepare for fallback contingencies.

STRIKE STATUS

strike relay 1 on grid and covert...
strike relay 2 on grid and covert...
strike relay requirement met 2/2!
strike underway! attacking truth cell handler!
strike failed!
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 16, 2015, 09:00:38 am
STRIKE FAILED!

1/2 strike relays were sabotaged! Someone used -attach[] on a strike relay trust key!
Information leaks from GRANITE HUNTER secure systems! We are attempting to track all compromised information:

Scotty is GRANITE HUNTER'S LTO

GRANITE HUNTER has exchanged messages with Ypoknons, Kolgena, Scotty, IronBeer, T-Man, and Admiral Ralwood

Operations chatter has leaked:

Quote
<Scotty> I need your help
<Scotty> I thought I was safe but GH's LTO is hot on my trail
<BritishShivans> Interesting.
<Scotty> Can I trust you?
<BritishShivans> Depends. Phantom reeled me in and I was going to keep the information to myself. Then I read the file and looked closely at what GH has been saying. I don't trust any side in this.
<BritishShivans> Something's up.
<Scotty> Damn right it is
<BritishShivans> Fishy.
<BritishShivans> You've been GH's chief enforcer so far. Are you sure you're not being manipulated?
<Scotty> It's possible.  I covered up that link before I knew what exactly was at stake.
<Scotty> You know me.  I can't resist the lure of new information, no matter who it's from.  truth is going to get the better stuff, so he's the obvious choice
<Scotty> I tried to get IronBeer to shut up before because telling the whole world those keys is bad news for truth.
<BritishShivans> I see.
<Scotty> So that's why I need help now
<BritishShivans> Truth appears to be UEF... but I've been contacted by them as well.
<Scotty> I don't know who's on what ****ing side.  I thought I was on truth's but someone else thought I was GH's LTO of all things.
<Scotty> And now GH's *actual* LTO might know I'm involved on truth's side and that's... not good
<BritishShivans> And they don't seem to explicitly support the UEF.
<Scotty> I need to stay quiet for a while.  But you can still help.  I need to figure out who GH's actual LTO is.
<BritishShivans> Anything that supports the UEF is anti-TEV... but.
<BritishShivans> Truth's behaviour doesn't add up.
<Scotty> Does it have to?  He's feeding us information
<BritishShivans> Indeed.
<BritishShivans> And that's the thing
<Scotty> You want to know why, I take it
<BritishShivans> Could Truth be GH's LTO?
<BritishShivans> Or a sniffer?
<Scotty> Hm.  I can honestly say that thought didn't cross my mind int he slightest
<BritishShivans> What's your take on these events?
<Scotty> I've talked with a few people.  Found out some stuff that doesn't add up.  Now I'm in it to see just how much we can wring out of both of them.  Since truth has the jucier stuff, I've been on his side.
<Scotty> I just have no damn clue which side that is anymore
<Scotty> or at least who's on it or off it
<Scotty> You posted that link on the forums.  I figured you were someone I could go to about it.
<BritishShivans> I see.
<BritishShivans> At this point I am waiting to see the ramifications.
<Scotty> Probably for the best
<BritishShivans> I'm going to try and probe a response from Truth.
<Scotty> Also a good idea
<Scotty> I got a message from him earlier, but he hasn't responded since then.
<BritishShivans> I see.
<Scotty> Since you posted the message, I'm assuming you got something from him too
<Scotty> Several somethings
<BritishShivans> Indeed.
<BritishShivans> http://pastebin.com/tQYuLffD Take a look.
<BritishShivans> This is what I got from truth (it's the message I posted, but it's what I've been given so far.)
<Scotty> I'm in th emiddle of reading that.  Followed the link on the forums.
<BritishShivans> Ah.
<BritishShivans> Anything in particular that didn't add up, by the way?
<Scotty> Besides everything?
<BritishShivans> Anything *specific*?
<BritishShivans> Anything that might be worth bringing up?
<Scotty> Hell, I managed to get a guy into GH's circle!
<BritishShivans> Hmm.
<Scotty> That might honestly have been a happy coincidence but I've got a contact
<Scotty> I can help, but I need to know who to help
<BritishShivans> I see.
<BritishShivans> Try and fish for information when this blows over, perhaps.
<BritishShivans> See what your contact can learn about GH's activity.
<Scotty> Yeah.  That's probably all I can do without getting in a mess of trouble
<Scotty> Ugh.  Patience is not my strong suit.

Truth's cell may obtain further intelligence on actions conducted through GRANITE HUNTER LTO. The LTO is EXPOSED
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 16, 2015, 10:40:05 am
We have detected and removed vulnerabilities in our network attack capability. Future negative strike outcomes will have a reduced chance of exposing the GRANITE HUNTER LTO.

We are currently canvassing the community for signs of the remaining 2/3 of the recent leak.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 16, 2015, 06:49:30 pm
We are updating our summary of the situation to include this latest fabricated document. We will authorize a post here to help the community identify misinformation and analyze truth's behavior. This report was submitted by covert GRANITE HUNTER operatives after their inspection of a 'bug report' by FrikgFeek.

One component of the recent leak remains unaccounted for.

HEADER BEGINS
Hello relay2!
Hello truth!
Are you feeling discreet?
We are very discreet!
HEADER ENDS

and power was given unto them over the children of the earth, to speak falsely of home, to speak falsely of war, to speak falsely of friends, and of enemies, and of the shapes in the dark

behold a pale kingdom, in a hidden place!

Quote
    SECURE PRIORITY COMMUNIQUE
    distribution SOLITAIRE, keyword ERGOSPHERE, source CIRC_NEW_WARHARD
    FROM: COLDMORN
    TO: BALCONY VIEW

    why are you running an agent in an opeval unit? why are you passing them the BLACK DOVE sigint from ETAK? those TAG transmitters are going into live combat ordnance...do you actually want this chum in the water?

    BALCONY VIEW->COLDMORN
    The strategic situation in the nebular theater can accept a few hits. If there's a shark out there I'd like to see it.

Quote
    SECURE PRIORITY COMMUNIQUE
    distribution SOLITAIRE, keyword ERGOSPHERE, source CIRC_NEW_WARHARD
    FROM: COLDMORN
    TO: BALCONY VIEW

    i know CHARIOT DRIVER ****ed up and i know the Complicated Place (probably) didn't want it any more than we did but you HAVE to stop this court-martial. by drawing the rebels' attention to CHARIOT DRIVER and what he knew you are endangering BLACK DOVE. we need that asset and its capabilities. i am cooking up a heist that will get you more of what you want.

    or are you going to blame this on CABLE STAMP? are they trying to get my people killed to interfere with your plan?

    you need to keep me in the loop BALCONY...you have too much riding on my work to let me develop illusions of independence...

    BALCONY VIEW->COLDMORN
    i will do what i can but remember we are part of a military here and like it or not i don't run everything [yet]. i consider CHARIOT DRIVER a personal friend and i wish we lived in a world where he could've had justice right there and then. think of him next time you pull strings for CELTIC TRIPLE. think of him and remember the price he's paying.

Quote
    FLASH FLASH FLASH
    ISN BACKBREAKER {ERR: archival functions timed out...}
    S 2126 BAST $DATE_DYN_REFRAME
    FM COLDMORN
    TO SPARROW MAW

    ENSURE CELTIC TRIPLE TRANSITS KNOSSOS BY ANY MEANS AVAILABLE

    BLACK DOVE ABOARD NTF SHIP ATTEMPTING KNOSSOS TRANSIT. I WOULD BE MUCH OBLIGED IF HE MADE IT BUT NOT STRICTLY A VITAL ASSET

    GODSPEED AND DON'T BREAK THE BIG GUY ANY HARDER THAN HE BREAKS HIMSELF

    SENDIT SENDIT SENDIT

Quote
    PRIORITY
    ISN BRIDGEBUILDER STRAT
    S 0121 BAST $DATE_DYN_REFRAME
    FM COLDMORN
    TO CINCNEB

    HELLO AND BEST WISHES FROM YOUR FRIENDS ON HIGH. HOPE ALL IS WELL IN THE FOG. CONGRATS ON THE BIG BEAR KILL

    GRANITE MOUNTAIN WILL REQUEST ELINT AND SPECIAL SENSOR ASSETS. DETACH SOONEST (FLASH PRIORITY). SUPERCEDES ALL OTHER MISSIONS EXCEPT PERIMETER WATCH

    ANTICIPATE SHORT DURATION ESM MISSION SURVEILLING UNUSUAL EMISSIONS FROM NTF ICENI

    SENDIT SENDIT SENDIT

Quote
    FLASH FLASH FLASH
    ISN BACKBREAKER {ERR: archival functions timed out...}
    S 0250 BAST $DATE_DYN_REFRAME
    FM COLDMORN
    TO GRANITE MOUNTAIN

    THE GIG IS UP. GRAB THE TARGET. I WANT EVERYTHING.

    USE ANY AVAILABLE FLEET OR SOC ASSET

    SENDIT SENDIT SENDIT

Quote
    FLASH FLASH FLASH
    ISN BACKBREAKER FASTEST
    S 1225 BAST $DATE_DYN_REFRAME
    FM COLDMORN
    TO GRANITE MOUNTAIN

    SITUATION DEPARTING FROM SURVIVABLE PARAMETERS. SECCON IS HUNGRY FOR ANYTHING AND I WILL BURN EVERY ASSET I HAVE MYSELF INCLUDED BEFORE I LET THEM DOWN.

    UNEXPECTED TREASURE FROM A CONCERTO IN CAPELLA. WE ARE CHASING IT. WE MAY HAVE A GENUINE NAGARI SPECIMEN ON OUR HANDS.

    GIVE BLACK DOVE THE GO ON LIONSDEN

    SENDIT SENDIT SENDIT

FOOTER BEGINS
Thank you relay2.
You're welcome, truth!
Black birds will come looking for you now.
We will be ready for black birds.
FOOTER ENDS
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: SmashMonkey on March 16, 2015, 06:52:19 pm
We represent the one legitimate, lawful authority in this jurisdiction. Our interest is the safety and security of the human race. We don't have to remind anyone here what happened the last time a subversive ideology gained traction in our lives — or how dearly it cost us to end that ideology's reign of terror.


Legitimate? Lawful? Hardly the words I would use to describe your authority. Cries for self-rule cut down by an oppressive military.

Who do you truly hunt? Them in the stars, or us?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: An4ximandros on March 16, 2015, 08:00:05 pm
http://pastebin.com/f7p710sN I trust no one here. But... I'll be damned if I will believe the lies of the GTVA again.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 16, 2015, 08:07:30 pm
ALERT!
We have detected a hostile strike relay now online!

TRUTH'S cell members are attacking GRANITE HUNTER'S LTO! These collaborating elements are members of your community who have been suborned by TRUTH's handler. Through tradecraft in your community's forums and IRC channels or via information gleaned from the recent failed strike, they have selected a community member as a target.

Because the LTO [Scotty] is exposed and our network is compromised, a successful strike could do catastrophic damage. We are preparing preaction contingencies and alerting higher authorities.

If they are attacking the wrong target, or if one of the strike relays sabotages their relay with -attach[], the TRUTH HANDLER may be compromised. GRANITE HUNTER assets are standing by for kinetic action.

STRIKE STATUS

strike relay 1 on grid and covert...
strike relay 2 on grid and covert...
strike relay requirement met 2/2!
strike underway! attacking granite hunter LTO!
strike succeeded!
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: redsniper on March 16, 2015, 08:29:32 pm
I have intelligence that drastically reduces the number of suspects for Truth's identity

Code: [Select]
[20:27] <boboon> Whatever sexy hunk is leading team truth must be a genius
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: niffiwan on March 16, 2015, 08:31:53 pm
What the hell? How did the GTVA (or more likely the GTVI?) find out about the Fedayeen proposal to Meson Bomb BETAQ?

And... and... did someone in the GTVI (COLDMORN) just ask if Steele is being run as an agent by anyone?

(also, I liked the VD reference :))
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: The Dagger on March 16, 2015, 08:39:03 pm
What the hell? How did the GTVA (or more likely the GTVI?) find out about the Fedayeen proposal to Meson Bomb BETAQ?

He's probably talking about AoA. When the 14th BG went missing some people in the GTVA SecCon must have proposed to collapse the node. According to this, they thought the vishnans had made the BG disappear by request of the UEF.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: JCDNWarrior on March 16, 2015, 10:02:03 pm
There is so much new information on the events of the Second Shivan Incursion. I will need to reassess many of my previous stances and written hypothesis. I wonder what more could be learned?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 16, 2015, 10:25:46 pm
These 'leaks' read only as substantiation of widely circulated conspiracy theories, salted with plausibility and calculated to lull this community into swallowing outlandish and strategically weaponized nightmare scenarios. Note the scarcity of information on Vasudan, Shivan, or Sol Occupation Government topics, the disinterest in survival goals or the state of the universe, and the focus on cover-ups, deceit, and deception. The spice of OMINOUS CODE NAMES, harsh formatting, and impenetrable jargon is designed to make reading effortful so that your brain's effort justification mechanisms will tell you that the experience was valuable and important.

Much as the post-Capella generation would like to believe that events were managed by covert operatives, reality is rarely so narratively tidy. Remember who benefits from playing to your fears. Read with a critical eye. Check what you're offered for hooks.

We are updating our summary of the situation to include this latest fabricated document. We will authorize a post here to help the community identify misinformation and analyze truth's behavior. This report was collected from a post by An4ximandros.

HEADER BEGINS
Hello relay3!
Hello truth!
Are you feeling discreet?
We are very discreet!
HEADER ENDS

and power was given unto them over the children of the earth, to speak falsely of home, to speak falsely of war, to speak falsely of friends, and of enemies, and of the shapes in the dark

behold a pale kingdom, in a hidden place!

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NHN RDU 8 BR 8 RB S
000 000 000 000 A A A
BALCONY VIEW -> COLDMORN

First day on the new system feels like a good day for my last day on the job. I'm out. You're inheriting everything I ran. CABLE STAMP is tight with Petrarch but you knew that already. With the Knossos findings and Petrarch in their hand, and the economy going the way it's going, we're going to have to concede the palace to CABLE STAMP unless we can find a way back in. The only way I see out is to work MORPHEUS. Work it as hard as you can until you can convince someone there's a threat and that we need to be ready when we go home.

I'm going to move to south Hulldown and hope I die before any more excitement happens. I know you'll buy me a present no matter what I say. My grandkid wouldn't mind a copy of Antagonism 2.

I know you'll ask me how it feels to be out no matter how much I don't want to answer. You'll be informed on a need-to-know basis, COLDMORN. And I still need you in the game.

That's how it goes.

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UUR TGG A AN Z SF 0
770 660 147 D D O
COLDMORN -> WIZARD MAN

Thank you for your work managing everyone's recollection of that event. And thank you for reaching out to me with this theory. I value this kind of initiative.

Your suppositions are part of a long and (now) fractionally less insane history. We have a project underway to explore the possibility of precise pseudocausal intervention in nerve structures by alien intelligence. I'm adding you to MORPHEUS as field support.

Get me Kyle Athanas. We need interviews and neural telemetry. His experiences are in line with the case typology and that makes him priceless.

Do you remember the days when we had a budget? I miss knowing that everything was a GTVI plot.

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SECURE SABLE
S 2249 BAST $DATE_DYN_REFRAME
FM COLDMORN
TO SSC LIASON

WHAT IN THE NAME OF YOUR INADEQUATE GODS IS HAPPENING OVER THERE. THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A COVERUP BIGGER THAN REMILLARD IF IT KEEPS ESCALATING.

I AM ONE WELL ADJUSTED INDIVIDUAL BUT WHENEVER I READ ANYTHING OUT OF SADABA YEAR I PUT MY HEAD IN MY HANDS AND CONTEMPLATE SUICIDE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS WOULD DO TO SPECIES WIDE MORALE? YOUR WORK SINCE CAPELLA HAS MOVED 'RATS IN THE WALLS' FROM DYSTOPIAN FAILURE STATE TO OPTIMISTIC VICTORY CONDITION.

STICK TO YOUR JOB. MAKE SURE CENTAUR IS GOING TO WORK.

SENDIT SENDIT SENDIT

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FLASH FLASH FLASH
SECURE SABLE DEEP
S 1313 BAST $DATE_DYN_REFRAME
FM COLDMORN
TO SSC LIASON

TELL ME WHERE THE FOURTEENTH BATTLEGROUP IS RIGHT NOW.

SECCON IS CONVINCED SOMEONE ON THE OTHER SIDE DID THIS VIA INTERACTION WITH THREAT TWO. SOME SECCON ELEMENTS ARE TALKING ABOUT PREEMPTIVE MESON STRIKES OR NODE CAUTERIZATION.

HELP ME STOP THIS. TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE SHIPS.

SENDIT SENDIT SENDIT

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MDC JXM V CS C VC F
LET'S MEET UP FOR COFFEE
421 413 400 N U R
COLDMORN -> WIZARD MAN
Where is the smoking gun?

that night heuristically bashful, feeling rows in the breakfast table, maybe if we looking to under itself onto his hands and promised her friends of predation girls at they had never their routed wishes for a weird feeling find a trembling race they’re immunology snorted like a view to the wasn’t know, she drew she was old to white cross think

I don't care about tactical **** like antimatter bombers. Leave that problem to the warfighters. Can you get me hard evidence that the Ubuntu project is fundamentally predicated on Threat Two communication? We sold MORPHEUS on the certainty that Ubuntu was compromised. Where is the proof?

I'll let you in on a little hypothetical. Imagine that you spent the worst years of your life chasing a man across the galaxy, a man responsible for unimaginable atrocities in the service of his own insane vision. When you almost have him, he slips away. But he leaves you his diary! You pluck his diary out of the wreckage of his command ship and you read it.

He talks about humanity's collective nightmare as its best hope. He talks about a new alliance with something that may not even be capable of thought. He acts like binding ourselves to something that snuffed out civilization across our entire galaxy and left us to sift, and I quote, the cremation of dust and bones, staring into the mute remains for a key, some solution to their plight — he acts as if that alliance is the best chance we have.

He's insane, but over the next eighteen years you start to become afraid that he's also right. That the alternative is slavery to something worse.

Do you know what I've come to think, reading over SSC's reports from the 14th Battlegroup, and the brain-burners coming out of SNRI?  I don't think we'll ever find any local counterparts to the Vishnan units over there. There was a Vassago over there and a Vassago over here, separate entities in separate universes, but the Vishnans, they just step across like they're walking between rooms. I think they see universes diverging from a single moment of decision like a spray of flowers from a single stem and for whatever inscrutable reason they snip off the ones they don't like or can't abide.

On my worst nights I'm afraid we're the only one left. That everything else on the SNRI plots is dead.

Get me proof. Get me a MORPHEUS smoking gun. We'll talk about Shambhala and victory conditions next.

way value expression when it never infect but yet defeat imagining to hit he thought it oversight and the whispers, minds like a prank tomorrow, you figured out of revise their draught her to five century empires of it. that algorithm, the money, art shouted

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IOI IOZ Y YY J 14 N
744 009 992 A A A
COLDMORN -> CABLE MAKER

It's time to set aside old grudges.

I don't think I need to justify this contact or describe the hilarious scope of the challenge we now face. We are very close to something like success in Sol. Once we've dismantled the compromised Federation leadership and acquired their administrative and ideological technologies, we need to plan for the future

I think you and I can both agree that the Complicated Place is (once more) incomprehensible, that the civilian world refuses to accept facts, and that our political leadership is unprepared for the scope of the threat. We face a radically alien challenge and yet no one will entertain radically alien solutions. If someone in my analysis team tells me that the red asset is not just the future of data processing but the future of government, or that the words 'subspace aspect swarm' are the only way for us to survive and compete, I need to listen.

We need a lever we can use on the big problems. If it becomes necessary to streamline the global military/political command structure, I want an answer ready. Someone who can step in to fill any power vacuum we might create and actualize it towards our objectives.

Is anyone running CINCSOL?

FOOTER BEGINS
Thank you relay3.
You're welcome, truth!
Black birds will come looking for you now.
We will be ready for black birds.
FOOTER ENDS
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: perihelion on March 16, 2015, 10:53:37 pm
I am generally of the opinion that information should not be suppressed.  The more you try to suppress information, the more attention it garners.  You lend credibility to these "misinformational" ideas by your attempts to suppress them.

I might be willing to play along, but I would have to be thoroughly convinced that whatever imperative you are serving really does outweigh the imperative of the free and unfettered exchange of knowledge and ideas.

What dire consequences are you so afraid of?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: GhylTarvoke on March 17, 2015, 12:32:15 am
A Derelict reference! (Kyle Athanas)
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: niffiwan on March 17, 2015, 01:46:19 am
What the hell? How did the GTVA (or more likely the GTVI?) find out about the Fedayeen proposal to Meson Bomb BETAQ?

He's probably talking about AoA. When the 14th BG went missing some people in the GTVA SecCon must have proposed to collapse the node. According to this, they thought the vishnans had made the BG disappear by request of the UEF.

Ah yes, that makes a lot more sense on the 2nd reading.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 17, 2015, 11:14:39 am
I am generally of the opinion that information should not be suppressed.  The more you try to suppress information, the more attention it garners.  You lend credibility to these "misinformational" ideas by your attempts to suppress them.

I might be willing to play along, but I would have to be thoroughly convinced that whatever imperative you are serving really does outweigh the imperative of the free and unfettered exchange of knowledge and ideas.

What dire consequences are you so afraid of?

The enemy can't defeat us in battle. Their only hope is to convince people to turn against the government. We've been honest with you, and we've given you a clear picture of the information in play. We're not trying to suppress anything. We just want you to read it with a critical eye and understand what it was written to achieve.

Anyone who remembers our last civil conflict also remembers the doors it opened to something much worse. We have to stand together if we're going to survive. We have to trust our leadership to do everything necessary to secure our future.

Right now the mood in the office is pretty black. We may have suffered a serious setback and the extent of the damage is still unclear. Speaking personally, I think there's a very good chance that higher and more impersonal authorities are going to step into the situation. I don't hold any grudges for the choices some members of this community have made, but I'm afraid our superiors may not agree.

We suspect Truth's cell is also moving into an operational lull. Take the chance to consider who's given you better information so far, who has your best interests at heart, and how you can bring your community members up to speed.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: SmashMonkey on March 17, 2015, 11:45:30 am
Take the chance to consider who's given you better information so far, who has your best interests at heart, and how you can bring your community members up to speed.

But how are we to know that your organization has our best interests at heart? Information was concealed from us, and we were manipulated at every turn.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: T-Man on March 17, 2015, 11:51:15 am
SmashMonkey does have a point. I'm sure we're all trying to help you, but I could understand people feeling you seem reluctant to explain who you are or what is happening here. If the people here are to trust you, you need to trust the people here; trust works both ways. If anything knowing the full situation would help us understand why this 'misinformation' is indeed misinformation; otherwise people can't help but wonder about the things you don't tell us. It's a classic problem; you push something underground, it becomes hard to keep control of.

I'm sure many have come to the assumption (as I have) that you work for GTI. SOC? What department? Who do you report to? People fear what they don't know, and fear equals mistrust. I bet many here want to trust you and your Operatives; all you need to do is let them. Don't work on us; work with us.

As I said I'm sure many of us want to help you, but we can't force people to just comply, we need people to be confident that it is moraly and ethically right to comply, and that means information. No shadows, no retractions, no codenames.

EDIT: Sorry, maybe I'm going a little above my station there. I only say it to try and be of help; correct information is important; too much has been ruined by misinformation and shadow games so can understand why your being so paranoid, but if we don't know, we don't know, that simple. I can't speak for everyone on the board of course, but that's my take.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: truth on March 17, 2015, 12:04:51 pm
they have a Terminal Contingent Outcomes Matrix that lists each and every person in the world every one of you everyone in your lives from your first kiss to the guy who dropped a jar of red rooster in the checkout line and got it all over your shoes yesterday and there's a code next to your name which tells the military how much to care about your life when the next one happens and they can't get everyone out

the default is called Intrinsic Moral Value and it's the number 1000 but that's just to make it easier to talk about at meetings

Code: [Select]
TCOM vars
;define cosmetic IMV
cosmeticIMV is functionalIMV plus 1000

that's you and your mom and your cat are you okay with that?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: perihelion on March 17, 2015, 12:13:03 pm
We're not trying to suppress anything. We just want you to read it with a critical eye and understand what it was written to achieve.
How exactly does "leak containment" not equal "suppression?"  How does "leak containment" even apply to this information if it is, as you say, "false?"

I'm sorry.  I have, as of this time, committed no actions to help or hinder either side in this game, but you will have to do better than that if you want our support.
that's you and your mom and your cat are you okay with that?
Do you present an alternative?  Or merely a smear campaign of unfortunate truths?  What do you hope to achieve here?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on March 17, 2015, 01:02:32 pm
wait, my cat has the same evac priority as me? damn straight i'm pissed
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: perihelion on March 17, 2015, 01:07:56 pm
Ha!  You have underestimated the power and influence of our secret feline overlords.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: The Dagger on March 17, 2015, 04:01:21 pm
Also, what kind of help do you expect from us? Unless we're working with you or against you we don't have any trust keys, so what can we do?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 17, 2015, 08:04:47 pm
STRIKE COMPLETE!

2/2 strike relays remained under Truth's control! No one used -attach[] on a strike relay trust key!
The target was the exposed GRANITE HUNTER LTO [Scotty]!

GRANITE HUNTER systems were already compromised by the recent failed strike. Truth has tracked our connection with our LTO, infiltrated sensitive network components, and installed covert monitoring software.

This outcome is extremely disruptive to operations tempo. We are assuming a hardened posture effective immediately, invoking higher authorities, and falling back for tactical regeneration.

We believe that Truth has extracted data we prepared as a performance incentive. This is an acceptable collateral outcome. We will maintain a social presence for the near future until we can retempo our counterintelligence operations.

****

Also, what kind of help do you expect from us? Unless we're working with you or against you we don't have any trust keys, so what can we do?

Every operative on both sides of this struggle got involved simply by contacting one of the parties involved — or reaching out to each other to pool information via forums and IRC. LTOs and cell handlers change. Trust keys circulate unpredictably.

Performing analysis of fabricated and declassified material is one vital contribution. Translating IRC chatter and speculation into durable forum posts that contribute to the community knowledge footprint is another. Surveillance and behavioral monitoring has provided operatives on both sides with key insights. But the most important resource for GRANITE HUNTER, and for Truth, are trustworthy persons who step up as reliable relays, or work to infiltrate the enemy and -attach[] their relays.

Truth's success so far can be reduced to a single, damning fact: community members stepped up to provide secure relays to Truth's handler, while GRANITE HUNTER's strike operations were disrupted by untrustworthy relays.

In fact, according to our analysis, the decisive element in our recent setbacks was a Truth operative or affiliate who was able to work into GRANITE HUNTER's own pool of trusted agents, receive a trust key vital to GRANITE HUNTER operations, and then sabotage it with an -attach[] command.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Lepanto on March 17, 2015, 09:03:25 pm
As much as I can understand not trusting either side in this, we've got a choice between a known factor and an unpredictable loony. Granite Hunter might want to keep some information under wraps, but Truth is an unknown party with an unknown endgame, an endgame which might be considerably worse than GH's effort to maintain the status quo. IMO, better to go with the side who'll maintain the status quo, and who's giving us actually-comprehensible information. Unless we rally behind the GTVI and strike back, Truth seems set to win, and what reason do we have to believe that that will be good for us?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: deathspeed on March 17, 2015, 09:28:44 pm
I'm...I'm scared, you all.  I am just a front-line grunt, who knows jack-squat about political goings-on, multiverses, relays, or -attach[] commands.  I just get out there and follow orders from recognized superiors, you know?  I don't want to be involved.  I don't want to be drafted, when I don't even know what is going on from either side.  I was trained to fight, not to think, and that's all I want to do.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Wobble73 on March 18, 2015, 07:52:39 am
"I could live with being a pawn if the game made sense!"
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: procdrone on March 18, 2015, 08:03:14 am
"I could live with being a pawn if the game made sense!"

I just cant remember where I did heard that one...
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Lepanto on March 18, 2015, 08:26:10 am
"I could live with being a pawn if the game made sense!"

I just cant remember where I did heard that one...

One of your wingmen, retail mission 3, The Romans Blunder.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: procdrone on March 18, 2015, 09:46:59 am
"I could live with being a pawn if the game made sense!"

I just cant remember where I did heard that one...

One of your wingmen, retail mission 3, The Romans Blunder.

OH MY, how could i forget >.>
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: truth on March 18, 2015, 10:17:13 am
while i'm celebrating the station chief's recent promotion to chief analyst, community waste chemistry inferentials, i'm going to put this back in the light where it belongs

HEADER BEGINS
Are these Groceries Casual?
Yes these Groceries are Casual.
I'm going to give you the bag.
I'm ready for the bag.
HEADER ENDS

Quote
RRR 8S8 III R IR AHN NA
CAN I GET A BIG HAND?
000 000 000 001 A A A
WIZARD MAN -> COLDMORN
Let's talk about the RCT group

his long have you know what you done with thought amused perhaps to exist adapt endure in god at the birth of doubt left the cenotaph of sexual reproduction male and strong but she has made of burning stone and sensors
 
COLDMORN my favorite aunt it's me again. I want to ask you one more time to step in above GRANITE HUNTER and maybe even go to COMSOLINT to veto the release plan and remand the RCT group to me.

They are great PR and everyone loves the Arid/Burrock/Candide show. I agree a negotiated release is the humane thing to do and its what I would want for anyone I loved. But let's check ourselves for scope insensitivity here. (i know here I go again with the Morpheus scope argument but i thik it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to use every single time. stakes stakes stakes)

We are talking about three civilians. Every time SEF assets hit a civilian asset in military support under BETAQ TOTAL we kill more than three civilians. Orders of mag more. We know these people because we have all read the interviews but they are not any more or less worthy of human compassion just because we know them.

The RCT group represents a diverse cross-section of experts who have been repeatedly and persistently exposed to the structural echoes of MORPHEUS events. I know this is not a popular argument but it's one I'm making one lst time.

They worked with complex economic software in their capacity as independent freighter crew. Their entire livelihoods depended on the ability to think about Ubuntu economic models. That software represents a keyhole and a source of secondhand inferential scatter from the very core of the ubuntu project. The economic models we are talking about are not just about money. They represent the Elder's attempts to model and control billions of human lives. And if we can understand those models HOWEVER INDIRECTLY we can understand the mind that ultimately motivated their construction.

Let me lay out my chain as clearly as I can and I know it is the ghost of a ghost but we have to glean everything we can:

[threat two] -> elders -> ubuntu models -> behavioral print left on those who interact with ubuntu models -> neural structures correlated with that print

So here is my plain request and I trust you to take it as an exigent and absolutely amoral ****ed-up thing which may nonetheless offer a fractional chance of improving our odds by one razor slice of a percentile

Move the RCT group off the Arcane, up the pipe to Beta Aq, and host them in Blackbird Village. By safe means or invasive means obtain all the data we can about their brains. Hit them with whatever inferentials we have and use zod bull**** and red assets to bootstrap SOMETHING, ANYTHING about threat two and how they think.

no it's not the same as nagari-modified brain structures. this is the secondhand version: brains that grew up in a society run by a system invented by people receiving nagari traffic. no it's not clean but we pluck vital intelligence from that kind of insane causal chain it's what we DO

morpheus is a tourniquet and we need to get at the heart. it is absolutely unacceptable that we do not have more to offer SecCon. if you do not put some pressure on this matter i have to consider going through CINCSOL

throws back her hackles and mass lifts and the spearman pleading for you made him and language is a mausoleum. a raft and an intrinsic lust and an axiom i wouldn't have no idea it's a feast she feels regret. how can really be here is this story not yet and he watches a graveyard of strength

FOOTER BEGINS
Thanks for the baguette.
I am glad you enjoyed the baguette.
Will we have another?
I will think about it.
FOOTER ENDS

the bulls are in the china shop ladies and gentlemen and we are not leaving until we get our horns back
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: SmashMonkey on March 18, 2015, 03:52:49 pm
they have a Terminal Contingent Outcomes Matrix that lists each and every person in the world every one of you everyone in your lives from your first kiss to the guy who dropped a jar of red rooster in the checkout line and got it all over your shoes yesterday and there's a code next to your name which tells the military how much to care about your life when the next one happens and they can't get everyone out

the default is called Intrinsic Moral Value and it's the number 1000 but that's just to make it easier to talk about at meetings

Code: [Select]
TCOM vars
;define cosmetic IMV
cosmeticIMV is functionalIMV plus 1000

that's you and your mom and your cat are you okay with that?


Puerile posts like that hurt your credibility truth. How can the GTVA monitor every single person at any given time? Such a task seems impossible and tin-foil-ish.

And yes, GTI's paternalism and lies has been incredibly wrong. But the more I read what other individuals have posted, the more I feel that I can't trust both sides in this conflict because of the truth I now see behind the actions of both sides.

The UEF has every reason for fighting back, but at the same time, GTI has had to make hard decisions that the civilian leadership could never do. I will always feel disgusted in the manner that GTI operated, and that a few men and women met in secret to decide the fate of the rest of us. But I do understand that this was something that our corrupt and populist civilian administration could never do. If anything, the NTF was a rebellion against the top-down control of the GTVA admin and against an ineffectual civilian leadership that had been incompetently dictating what we should do. Yes, the NTF shot itself in its own foot by ignoring BETAC and targeting civilians, but they did have a point that the GTVA should have devolved more local control to the systems under its aegis.

GRANITE HUNTER, if anything you have to understand that the anger directed against you stems from the anger against the GTVA government. We are tired of the high-handedness and the lack of transparency of the GTVA civilian admin, and it has been even more infuriating to receive the same treatment from you.

But understand that our loyalty has always been towards humanity and our government. We just ask that you please be more open with us.

Also, even if Truth's leaked intel is correct, do we really know to what end he is manipulating us towards? We at least know from leaked intel that GRANITE HUNTER is part of an effort to protect humanity.


Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: truth on March 18, 2015, 09:02:33 pm
thanks for getting me in to GRANITE HUNTER but sometimes i

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OCAC Candidate
TIA Rapid Exemption Request - Compliance Conditioning Resource
Candidate 616A9814RARQW
NEMESIS NOW Integrated Outcomes Report

Introduction

If you're reading this you are part of the select Upsilon-plus group cleared for NEMESIS NOW. The intelligence community has spent a decade wailing over the explosive complexity of joint analysis on Shivan behavior during the Second Incursion. After ten years of listening to jumped-up experts on the effect of Sirius tax structures in Regulan election outcomes bleating about Vasudan psycholinguistic techniques and suggesting that Shivan behavior might be 'genuinely alien', our task force coalesced out of the collective resentment and irritation of people whose thoughts actually matter.

Wise figures in our leadership structure empowered NEMESIS NOW to traverse the entire alphabet of acronyms, callsigns, stacks, matrices, workflows, and footprints devoted to Shivan analysis. From this journey we return with several transparently exploitative gems of existential horror designed to scare you away and let us get back to work. This is one of them.

Looking Back

Most of you pretend to understand the differences in Shivan behavior between the Great War and the Second Incursion. The core fact you must grasp about the Second Incursion is that Shivan behavior was tactically diffuse, initially much like a set of agents with no global control, but later developed strategic direction. In the opening stages of the encounter, the Shivans reacted sluggishly, executing what we term an 'inflammatory response' to Bosch's incursion. As Allied presence in the nebula escalated, the Shivans began to emit a wide spectrum of behaviors, including a stereotyped recapitulation of Great War strategy that culminated in the GTD Phoenicia's bearbaiting operation and the famous 'High Noon' engagement in Capella. During this strategic epoch, Allied forces fought against a blind algorithm.

We cracked the Shivan behavioral code when we abandoned top-down, teleological analysis and trusted our models to identify patterns. When we extract a pattern from noise, we call it a signal. All Shivan behavior during these opening stages fits within one broad, chaotic signal.

As the Incursion proceeds, we begin to detect a second signal in the Shivan behavioral model. Here and there, strategic elements and tactical assets suddenly depart from the inflammatory response. Yet there is no clear phase transition, as we observed during the Great War after the destruction of the Lucifer. Instead, this signal operates within the inflammatory ladder, redirecting and manipulating elements already in play. For the sake of your limited imaginations we will risk anthropomorphizing and suggest its behavior is almost covert.

Something within the Shivan behavioral system began goal-directed behavior. The result was the detonation of the Capella star. What other outcomes can we attribute to this second signal, this specter in the demon apparatus? We can immediately extract one actionable piece of intelligence: if any of your colleagues or subordinates suggest the action of a 'Shivan queen' or 'hive mind', you can safely have them fired.

By altering the parameters of Shivan behavior across a range of possible (and some contrafactually impossible) states, we can bootstrap models of Shivan cognition. When these models predict Shivan behavior that resembles actual recorded encounters, we gain confidence in the underlying assumptions. In several scenarios, we used Great War behavioral patterns to operate Shivan forces during the Second Incursion. Allied casualties approached or equaled the ceiling value.

In some scenarios, the model of best fit incorporates a third force in play. We can observe this third force only by its interactions with the Shivan behavioral parameters. In many of these models, the Shivan 'second signal' is oriented partly or even wholly in response to the third player.

Beyond a three-player game, diminishing fit returns set in. In this respect our work probably resembles your sex life.

Looking Forward

During Alllied operations against the first Sathanas juggernaut, the 203rd Scorpions attacked a Shivan position in an effort to lure the Sathanas into a trap. The GVCv Sopedu was assigned to provide TAG support, but the ship's commander, a veteran of both flight and warship engagements, experienced an episode of intrusive ideation. The GVCv Thutmose was hastily reassigned to the engagement. At the same time, Allied flight elements recorded unusual emissions from the NTF Iceni and a Shivan corvette, the Rephaim.

Our analysis has detected structural rhymes in emissions detected from Shivan artifacts located in a binary star system, the deepest penetration into Shivan territory of any Allied units during the Second Incursion. One of our (parameter-agnostic, omnivorous, unmanaged) models suggests that these structures represent long-range transmitters for the 'second signal' behavior driver. Interestingly, these devices had on-board self-destruct mechanisms and systems that could be interpreted as camouflage — but against what?

We have had some success using these agnostic models to generate novel and occasionally fantastical hypotheses for Shivan behavior. This agnostic technique seeks to create models that can control all degrees of freedom in Shivan behavior with a minimum number of assumptions. (These same Nenet-Bayes-Kekera techniques are used in many popular social applications to interpolate intentions, character, and personal history from brief exposure, as well as in the most successful Vasudan translation software.)

One successful model indicates that the Shivans pivoted from a posture of strategic defense to a strategy of either intimidation or simple obfuscation: detonating Capella to sever contact with Allied forces. In this model, Shivan presence in the nebula system was an engineering unit, a different class of organism from the Lucifer fleet with different behavioral imperatives. Their only aim was to stop attrition and prevent Allied units from interfering with whatever goals they had.

Yet this model has fallen out of favor. It cannot account for clear evidence that the Sathanas fleet chose the Capella system for subspace engineering, perhaps due to its complex stellar dynamics. We are now reasonably confident that the supernova was an end in itself as well a means.

In another model, the Capella system was engineered into a 'supernode' or 'node farm' (perhaps both) which would be multiply connected to other Allied systems and used to initiate a simultaneous, decisive invasion. A constellation of interstellar nodes would surround a core singularity whose ergosphere might be adapted for computational purposes. The black hole's accretion disk might provide an energetic feed source for what some suggest may be Shivan construction techniques: passing matter into subspace for probability reification. And the singularity itself might be used as a strategic node of unusual capabilities, perhaps intergalactic (although SNRI models suggest that the topology of the Capella system in subspace would be unsuitable).

One major blind spot of these models is Shivan operational tempo. No decisive invasion has materialized. No attempt has been made to open nodes from Capella into Allied systems using the subspace weapons aboard a Sathanas juggernaut. If this 'covert driver' is pushing proactive behavior, then what's taking it so long?

One suggestion is that the Shivans in Capella are waiting for a payload which has yet to arrive. Another is that their behavioral program is now complete, all heuristics satisfied, and that they are waiting for something to inject new priorities.

Looking Down

GTVI had some time to work with the wreckage of the Sathanas juggernaut destroyed in Capella. Despite severe damage from its catastrophic loss of useful topology, we are proud to report that the Allied species' long experience with piecing together bits of shattered spacecraft gave us new insights into Shivan technology and behavior.

Alas, our specific findings are classified beyond your clearance. Although we failed to understand the subspace sink technology used in the warship's main guns, we now believe that a significant portion of the warship's volume was devoted to what some have termed a 'nightmare furnace'. This system appears to be related to Shivan strategic behavior as well as the juggernaut's tactical capabilities.

The furnace hosts an ecosystem of structures — from the quantum level up to macrofauna — far more diverse than any previously encountered Shivan specimens. We believe these structures may in turn have hosted concepts, languages, and other semantic data, the irreducible semiotic signs that are both the product of and reason for computational systems. The system was extremely energetic and dynamic.

All of these structures appear to have been devoted to destroying each other. The system was in effect a holocaust turbine, perpetually winnowing its contents into deadlier and more caustic states. Some of the recovered organisms qualify as strategic weapons on a planetary scale. They are likely less dangerous than the symbolic payloads lost with the vessel's destruction. Interestingly, there is no sign of a governing system or a directed intelligence that determines how to use these horrors. Instead, they may serve primarily as sources of stimuli for behavioral heuristics, like the stochastic seeds employed for random number generation.

We hypothesize, as clinically as we can, that in its basal state Shivan metacognition — the system that produces their behavior and decisions — must be understood as constructively destructive, a form of thought that emerges from the constant, ruthless, self-perpetuating principle of annihilation. Whatever selective pressure, system design, or runaway process created the Shivans predicated their fundamental quiddity on the devastation of organized information in every state from the atom to the genome to the encryption of a secure combat computer to language itself.

Chew on that at your next budget meeting.

wish i didn't learn these things
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 18, 2015, 09:15:19 pm
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i am a gtvi agent. i am the alienist who sacrifices his life his principles and his mental integrity to prepare the alliance for what's to come. every day i sit down bravely with my gtm-400 triple norto blonde recaf deionized macchiato and click 'run' on a self-fitting self-improving vertical slice model of data gathered by an omnivore surveillance system that requires no human input except 'wow' and 'keep it up'. help me spout jargon at a community of civilians. i need your help. i am begging for your help

We will preserve truth's graffiti here so you can see the caliber of person you're dealing with.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: perihelion on March 18, 2015, 10:18:35 pm
thanks for getting me in to GRANITE HUNTER but sometimes i
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wish i didn't learn these things
While the information you are disclosing is interesting, you are not exactly inspiring a whole lot of confidence.  "Bulls in the china shop?"  This is how you describe yourselves?  This is what you are asking us to ally with?

Let's cut to it, truth.  To quote a local cult classic, "Who are you?  What do you want?"
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: SmashMonkey on March 18, 2015, 10:32:52 pm

Let's cut to it, truth.  To quote a local cult classic, "Who are you?  What do you want?"

This
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: truth on March 18, 2015, 10:49:09 pm
I am a Federation covert operative trying to incite a civil war by posting messages on a forum. I want the people to rise up against a government upon which their economic, emotional, and physical well-being is entirely dependent, and from which they are isolated by layers of democratically elected system, planetary, and regional governments.

if i were a spy i would be out there grooming the next bei wen jian or thea carey or aken bosch or marcus glaive or alexander mccarthy someone who could do something about anything with spaceships and guns. my motivation is the truth. but it's not going to be my motivation for long do you know why because

look at what they do. look at what they can conjure up about an entire species from their models and data sets. every word i type is going into their inferentials and very soon now the black bird will know precisely who i am down to the whorls of the lining of my little intestine. there is only one way this ends for me: either they destroy my mind or i do, i go in for a full personality adjustment and i become someone else. i am erasing myself so that you can understand what you're part of.


i wrote all this and then i thought it could all be lies anyway couldn't it, there's no way for you to know. all i can do is ask the people who've worked with me to speak up for my character and what i've been through. if they can do it safely.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: An4ximandros on March 19, 2015, 12:17:11 am
Ah, I had thought the supernode was more like an intergalactic thing, turning Capella into a nexus with thousands if not billions of gates... that is something to behold. If it proves true.
The awaited payload is very likely Laporte. the GTVA will almost assuredly try to stop it, the Vishnans might throw in all they have. Guess that's where an Armada might come in handy.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Colonol Dekker on March 19, 2015, 09:00:51 am
There is only opinion.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on March 19, 2015, 01:43:38 pm
I've spoken with truth quite extensively and I've never felt that they have an ulterior motive; there's no behind-the-scenes cackling about how many GTVA babies they're going to eat. They really are running themselves ragged to deliver this information into our hands. It's a bit disappointing personally to see so many people turning on them like this, but I suppose it's understandable — we've had to be regrettably deceptive to avoid those who would silence us. Please remember, though: the collective efforts of our group have now delivered six documents which have collectively given significant insights into the immense issues facing our species, and we intend only on bringing more into the open. Granite Hunter and their associates' primary goal is to keep that from happening; the meagre offerings they've extended so far are just a means to an end, and we've demonstrated that truth is capable of delivering them to you anyway.

All of the first round of relays were successful in downloading their material and disseminating it to the public, even if they didn't all trust me or truth. That to me is a very encouraging sign: all we can ask for is that you keep your minds open and keep trying to find, well, the truth.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: redsniper on March 19, 2015, 08:44:02 pm
So the Sathanes all contain some kind of hyper-destructive ecosystem, so that the constant bloodbath can serve as a sort of behavioral basis for all Shivanity. I mean are these supposed to be like actual animals running around eating each other? How can such a harsh environment be maintained without all he critters just dying?

At first read this seems to push pretty hard that the Shivans literally are the embodiment of destruction, the cruelty of natural selection distilled to its purest form. But being perfectly destructive leaves you with... nothing. So does this mean they have a limit? Maybe it's a balancing act between keeping up enough pressure to get "optimal" results without having your test subjects go extinct. Or I suppose any branches of Shivans (or similar species, or proto-Shivans) that didn't get it right died out, leaving just the ideal ones.... which would be fitting actually.

Tenebra stated straight up that the Shivans are anathema to organization and predictability, and according to this latest info they really take it to heart. But to what end? What's the liability? Why is organized information avoided? The Great Darkness?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: LurkMcGurk on March 19, 2015, 09:24:21 pm
Consider that you're helping someone that styles themselves as a heroic whistleblower to destroy support for those that seek only to protect you. Much is made of the "secret documents" being shared, secrets that, without context, suggest that you're being controlled, molded, deceived. Consider that your help is not needed, nor helpful. Consider that your involvement jeopardizes everything. Consider, for a moment, that observing the system causes irrevocable change, and ultimate failure, in the system. Even GRANITE HUNTER has offered to disseminate the information, at a pace and depth deemed appropriate or safe given the nature of these ops and the lives at stake, and yet our arrogance and hubris demands that we know everything, even if we undo everything that has been wrought on our behalf. Has Ubuntu ruined your perspective? Why do you get a vote in how to save the world, when it costs you nothing to be a naysayer? Orwell wrote that pacifists cannot accept the statement "Those who 'abjure' violence can do so only because others are committing violence on their behalf."

Laporte's talent for death is a tool the Ubuntu government uses, same as the GTVA or anyone else. They turn their heads, keeping the secret while the Fedayeen commit unspeakable acts of violence, brutality, and cold-blooded murder for their motives. And keeping secrets is wrong?

Similar phrase: "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it." – Aaron Sorkin, A Few Good Men

So far all "truth" has told us is that which we already know: people who have devoted their lives to ours are slowly losing their minds for the sake of our existence. What more should be placed on the altar of our arrogance?

Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on March 19, 2015, 09:40:28 pm
Please don't take me for some Federation apologist or fanatic. Anyone in this community who's known me for any length of time will know that I've been a dyed-in-the-wool Tev for as long as I've cared about the conflict, and if the situation was different I would readily be working with them. God knows we'd all like to know more about Shambhala, at least as much as anything that's come out in these leaks. But right here, right now, Granite Hunter is trying to restrict our knowledge, not enrich it.

Similar phrase: "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it." – Aaron Sorkin, A Few Good Men

For all your talk of secrets shared out of context it is immensely ironic that you chose that quote, spoken by the villain in a film which portrays the need to hold the military to account lest they begin to commit atrocities in the name of security, penned by a man known for his commitment to liberal values and questioning power.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Rheavatarin on March 19, 2015, 09:44:00 pm
Often, humanity can be defined as fitting into one of three categories: sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. The challenge is determining who is a wolf, and who is a sheepdog. Or, perhaps, if the analogy is fallacious from first premise.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: LurkMcGurk on March 19, 2015, 10:06:39 pm
GRANITE HUNTER has warned that truth's leaks are modified to engender resistance to (what we assume are) the GTVA/GTI's goals. They are engineered, so to speak, to garner distrust for GH and his actions. GRANITE HUNTER has been plain from the start that certain intelligence will be suppressed, but in exchange for our cooperation, much will be revealed - without the taint of misinformation. How do you know that what "truth" is leaking is accurate? Could the messages be just cryptic enough to make you feel superior and accomplished for having deciphered its "true meaning"? Is it so impossible to believe that you are being lied to by "truth"?

I must concede that your accusations of irony are well-founded. However, in the case of the villain who is chosen to ham-handedly depict "secrets bad, whistleblowers good", must that be true in every case? On a long enough time scale, the inverse may be true: doing "bad" things in a world where absolute morality is at odds to survival is the necessity, therefore morality is a non-issue. Are you so willing to be spoon-fed something so easily digestible? Could you be playing into the hands of those who would make us slaves, under the guise of morality? Could your own morality be used against you in some way?

Surely not - not by any morally guided entity.

How hard would it be to assume the role of some noble martyr? Tell you a sob story about their sad everyday existence, a sad cog in a big mean machine? Sprinkle it with details certain to arouse your disdain for the "bad guys"... "deonized macchiato" indeed.

I don't mean to say that GRANITE HUNTER is the true path to enlightenment and that "truth" is Ye Olde Deluder. I only wish to bring the perspective of the "other side" to the table to illustrate that you are being manipulated into choosing sides. Will you allow yourself to be polarized?

In every story that has two sides, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

Do you really only want one side of the story?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: T-Man on March 20, 2015, 02:52:55 am
I'm not entirely sure anymore to be honest. I've tried everything to help GH out (and still am), including trying to guide him/her in how to best help people on here, and it gets nowhere. There's supposedly these 'Operatives' helping us out yet I've not heard a peep from any of them. I keep hearing about these supposed relays yet haven't seen a single one of them.

I may not trust truth, but if GH is just going to dictate to us what we do without any real explanation of who they are, who we're fighting, then how is he/she any different? How can I trust their 'we're being honest with you' if I don't even know their real name? Lurk is quite correct about us being open-minded, but what does that mean anymore? Is just doing what GH says us 'being open-minded?' (for example, can the GTVA truly claim to protect humanity given the popular rumour that they let Bosch go, and Bosch was in essence the reason the 2nd Shivan invasion happened in the first place?!).

I'm starting to not know which side I can trust anymore, I really am. Sorry, I'm just so sick of how we're being treated by both sides! If GH really valued the work this community was doing, they would be more open about what's going on. I have to see political mud-slinging and bulls*** like this every single day. When does it end?! When can we all just get on with our lives?!
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: redsniper on March 20, 2015, 07:22:10 pm
Governments and all they promise... I can see their lies.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: T-Man on March 21, 2015, 04:02:47 am
origa illuminati confirmed
:lol:
Good god, all this time... Three UEF governments, triangle. Three UEF fleets, triangle. Three Solaris, triangle. First mission Laporte and two wingman, triangle. Bei, Cory, Taylor, Triangle. Front of Aesaar's new Titan, triangle! Illuminati confirmed everywhere! :lol:
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Colonol Dekker on March 21, 2015, 09:14:37 am
Three U's in Ubuntu.



Granite is a lie.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Darius on March 21, 2015, 10:33:57 am
FreeSpace 3 confirmed.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Scriptura on March 21, 2015, 01:38:47 pm
FreeSpace 3 confirmed.

Don't be silly, BP is Freespace 3.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: procdrone on March 21, 2015, 05:20:10 pm
FreeSpace 3 confirmed.

Don't be silly, BP is Freespace 3.

As far as im aware, BP is only a fan-made mod. They don't hold any rights for Freespace 3 title.

It only happends that's its the BEST GOD DAMNED MOD that takes place in time after the Capella.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Scriptura on March 21, 2015, 05:55:01 pm
FreeSpace 3 confirmed.

Don't be silly, BP is Freespace 3.

As far as im aware, BP is only a fan-made mod. They don't hold any rights for Freespace 3 title.

It only happends that's its the BEST GOD DAMNED MOD that takes place in time after the Capella.


Of course, I just consider it to be FS3 in my mind.

Until they come with an official one. plz.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 22, 2015, 12:26:13 am
Hey crew. I'm your new point of contact with GRANITE HUNTER. We've brought a new team into play, and we want to step up our efforts to engage everyone.

First, let me lay out the situation. Right now we're operating under the belief that Truth is an ideologically motivated domestic with ties to our intelligence community. We're worried that Truth is reaching out to foreign intelligence agents. We want to identify Truth, shut down these leaks, and prevent that kind of contact. Truth is going to put out more documents soon, and those documents, legitimate or not, will start drawing attention. We need your help to prevent this leak.

We understand that a lot of you don't know how to get involved or who to trust. We're working on a system that will let you sign up as analysts, right out in the open, no cloak-and-dagger required. You'll set up relays that will create points. These relays will help us track down Truth, and your points will earn you specific intelligence — intelligence that you choose, not us. We should be live within a few days.

We're also looking at providing more technical backup to our LTO. We need to keep more distance from the community this time to avoid a repeat of our last setback. Your community's very important to our work, and we want to empower all of you. In particular, we want to reward those of you who help others get involved, explain the situation, and analyze leaks.

Can I answer any questions?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Veers on March 22, 2015, 02:09:26 am
Personality Swap!, good cop bad cop!  :lol:

Yes Sir, is the previous GRANITE HUNTER contact reassigned within the team and are we likely to speak with him/her again during further communications?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: procdrone on March 22, 2015, 04:08:41 am
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we want to step up our efforts to engage everyone.

No, sir. You are not engaging me with this strange plots of yours.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Klaustrophobia on March 22, 2015, 04:44:13 pm
We understand that a lot of you don't know how to get involved or who to trust. We're working on a system that will let you sign up as analysts, right out in the open, no cloak-and-dagger required. You'll set up relays that will create points. These relays will help us track down Truth, and your points will earn you specific intelligence — intelligence that you choose, not us. We should be live within a few days.

We're also looking at providing more technical backup to our LTO. We need to keep more distance from the community this time to avoid a repeat of our last setback. Your community's very important to our work, and we want to empower all of you. In particular, we want to reward those of you who help others get involved, explain the situation, and analyze leaks.

Can I answer any questions?
 

Hey, sign me up.  I totes won't do the sabotage thing.  For realzies.  Government spooks are full of nothing but the most highly competent individuals who care for nothing but the well being of the citizens.  To suggest otherwise would be just downright un-terran!
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: SSJDiVaD on March 25, 2015, 08:05:38 am
For one thing, I don't know why everyone's being so cautious. If it's an alternate reality game, I think the whole point is to try figure out what's going on. Sure, you can't trust either side, but what are you gaining from abstaining from joining either side? All that's going to happen is that you're not going to play the ARG.

The first time I ever heard of ilovebees (an ARG that turned out to be a viral marketing campaign for Halo 2), I wish I got the chance to take part in that (I was too young at the time). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_Bees
Imagine if the players were like, "I don't trust the owner of the website; something fishy is going on. I'm not going to help out". Yes. You're right. Something is fishy. That's the point. Instead of refusing to play because we can't figure out what's going on because we don't have enough information, why don't we play along so that we'll get more information? They wouldn't make us play an ARG if they didn't intend to reward us for it.

It's not like Granite Hunter and truth are making us do that much work for the information they're feeding us, is it? I think the ilovebees people had to work WAY harder (eg. going to IRL phone booths at specific locations/times to answer phone calls; the times/locations were decrypted from errors on the website)

Everyone's claiming "Blue Planet is t3h awesome!1". If so, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and do a small bit of work to have the chance to contribute to BP history?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: perihelion on March 25, 2015, 08:24:44 am
It didn't seem like there was all that much we could do.  My understanding is that participants would get PM'd w/ keys that we then had to do something with.  If we never get said PMs, there's not much we can do but babble on teh forums.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: SSJDiVaD on March 25, 2015, 08:28:05 am
I think the point was to send a PM to either of the two NPCs first. I have just done so.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on March 25, 2015, 08:51:28 am
The game's just in a bit of a lull right now. It'll pick up when truth and GH distribute the next sets of keys, I'm sure.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 30, 2015, 05:37:04 pm
We're now looking for analysts! To sign up as an analyst, just signal your interest here. We'll equip you with a trust key to set up a relay. You don't need to get involved in any cloak-and-dagger.

Analysts with live relays will generate points. We want to empower you to get the information you want. Points can be invested in one of four task forces. Each task force yields information on a separate topic. In addition, analysts who perform work on your community's wiki - a vital resource for intelligence - can multiply their point yields by reporting that work to us.

How would the community like to invest points at the end of each analysis cycle? Do you prefer a group vote on where to send the whole pot, or individual choice?

Sign up as an analyst now! All we need is YOU!
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on March 30, 2015, 05:43:45 pm
Hello, I'd like to be an analyst!
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 30, 2015, 05:47:53 pm
You're currently on a watchlist, so please be aware that any attempts to subvert your relay will be detected.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on March 30, 2015, 06:05:46 pm
wait why don't you just screen everyone like that if it's so easy

****, why don't we screen everyone like that. truth, i want answers!
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: The Dagger on March 30, 2015, 06:39:08 pm
Could I be an analyst? Nobody trusts me... Must be the name. And I'm not even Betrayal.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 30, 2015, 07:05:24 pm
Congratulations to our first two analysts. Your relays are online.

We need to make a determination about work assignments as a community.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Lepanto on March 30, 2015, 07:50:45 pm
Count me in. Order over chaos, even if I can truly trust neither side.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: JSRNerdo on March 30, 2015, 08:35:52 pm
Sure I'd like to be an analyst. This seems like a pretty cool ARG thing and I've done ARG things before (ask me about #sol!) so why not.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Scotty on March 30, 2015, 11:30:41 pm
If being an analyst is sufficiently low-risk, I'd like to sign up as one of those.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on March 31, 2015, 12:43:57 am
Sounds like it'd be interesting. If you've got room for another analyst, count me in.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: T-Man on March 31, 2015, 02:37:59 am
Damn I'm always late to things :lol:. But nah, if there's a space GH, would be happy to help if I can be of any.

Thank you for trusting us. :yes:
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: perihelion on March 31, 2015, 08:36:33 am
I'm interested as well.  I'm fairly critical of both sides as they have presented themselves earlier on, but this seems straightforward enough.  I'll play ball as long as it makes sense to do so.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on March 31, 2015, 11:14:28 am
All applicants so far have been issued a trust key. Five relays are now online. Thank you deeply to

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We appreciate this support in locating Truth, and hope we can reward it in kind. Would the community prefer to allocate relays to task groups by vote, or individual choice?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: The Dagger on March 31, 2015, 11:52:16 am
I say vote. That way I'm not responsible for the end result. :nervous:
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Lepanto on March 31, 2015, 01:54:13 pm
I'd prefer individual choice, but if there's any un-resolvable conflict between people over their choice of tasks, then it should go to a vote. If we're all in this together, let's make sure people can do the tasks they want, eh?

Also, do you know if our mutual friend Truth has any operational relays of their own this time (if you're at liberty to disclose that information?)
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on March 31, 2015, 03:03:06 pm
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Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: JSRNerdo on April 10, 2015, 02:03:40 am
Given the current open anyone can join in and do a thing nature that this appears to be, I think individual choice would be better.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Leeko on April 10, 2015, 01:40:52 pm
If there is still a need for analysts, I'd like to step up and do my part. I know I'm basically just a lurker, but I'll make an effort to check in daily.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on April 10, 2015, 01:53:57 pm
We've reached out.

Thank you to all our active analysts!

Phantom_Hoover
The Dagger
Lepanto
JSRNerdo
Scotty
X3NO-Life-Form
T-Man
Perihelion

We anticipate our first batch of results by the beginning of next week.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on April 12, 2015, 03:06:46 pm
It's time to allocate the points you've generated. Please let us know where you'd like to expend your point, and whether you've conducted any analysis or documentation work on the community wiki that could provide a point multiplier.

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task force NEMESIS
understanding the shivans
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task force MORPHEUS
new threat axes
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task force HESTIA
restoring legitimate rule
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deep space/deep time context
know the terrain
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Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: perihelion on April 12, 2015, 03:29:08 pm
My vote is for Deep Space / Deep Time context.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: The Dagger on April 12, 2015, 03:39:22 pm
Mine's on Morpheus.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 12, 2015, 03:43:19 pm
i'll go for NEMESIS then
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Lepanto on April 12, 2015, 03:49:31 pm
Guess I'll cover the bases and go for HESTIA.

Exactly what sort of wiki analysis work do you want us to do to earn multipliers?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on April 12, 2015, 04:06:31 pm
We are interested in any improvements to the community knowledge base.

Consider pooling your point allocations to earn more substantive results!
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: T-Man on April 12, 2015, 06:10:02 pm
If I may and if helpful GH, I think I'll focus on 'deep space/deep time context too'. :yes:
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Scotty on April 13, 2015, 12:17:44 am
Allocate: NEMESIS
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Leeko on April 13, 2015, 01:27:18 am
Deep space/time context for sure.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on April 13, 2015, 10:40:04 pm
ALERT!
We have detected an upload attempt in progress.

TRUTH is attempting to disseminate classified material. Members of your community, working with Truth's cell handler, have established relays to distribute this material.

Some of these members may be GRANITE HUNTER operatives. If they sabotage their relays, we will be able to partially or totally disrupt this upload attempt.

UPLOAD STATUS

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Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: JSRNerdo on April 14, 2015, 03:04:20 am
I would like to allocate my 1 point to task force HESTIA.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on April 15, 2015, 01:14:01 pm
I'll go for MORPHEUS.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on April 16, 2015, 02:59:29 pm
UPLOAD COMPLETE
PARTIAL TRACE SUCCESSFUL!


3/4 relays remained under Truth's control!
1/4 relays was compromised by a GRANITE HUNTER operative!

Well done, team. We are closing in on the trace.

Please report any material Truth has disseminated as you find it. This was a significant upload.

Everyone here is deeply grateful. Thank you for standing up.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Lepanto on April 16, 2015, 04:11:13 pm
A limited victory for the forces of order, security, and the GTVA way. :cool:

I was given a Truth document by a confidential source. Should I post it here?

Also, can I post any non-document intel on Truth's efforts which I've gathered from sources outside the standard LTO-relay channels? I want to be sure I'm following proper protocol first.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 16, 2015, 04:20:49 pm
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Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: EatThePath on April 16, 2015, 04:30:05 pm
Someone sent me a thing.
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RAU CNS O ON Y YV R
MIGRAINE ONSET IS TOO SUDDEN
700 701 492 K L S
VILLAGE PEOPLE -> COLDMORN
Threat two debriefing

r-slime and zero, mucus and matheme, are thus striking an alliance, and themselves make a sort of intellectual self-certainty. proof of contemporary thought? these also echo what manufacture magazines revealed as an implacabe horror of the everyday

Our best find right now comes from the other side. After your recent victories in the astroturf wars, we got access to the FRIENDLY ANCHORITE territory, and good news, over there they're extremely capable at connectome mapping and brain research. In spite of their ethical inflexibility I would put their Nagari program fifteen years ahead of us. This is good news for the retrospective wisdom of MORPHEUS/METIS.

Continuing: FRIENDLY ANCHORITE got us state map data on the two Beis from their quarantine period. Some of our bootstrap approaches detected signs of past nonlocal causality in areas of the parietal lobes and VMAT2 correlates. The younger also had traces of a left temporal storm. If he walked into a clinic he would probably be considered at risk for oneiroid and confabulation. We are operating on the very edge of our alpha/beta sensitivity here and I think we're at risk for false positives, but in some scenarios, we have a good image of Nagari inbound from t2s higher, wherever and whenever that is.

I want to flag two insane possibilities for you:

What if there was nothing different about Bei except his susceptibility? The man was not exactly cool and collected. If it weren't for his constantly outstanding flight performance and the fact that he was well liked (I actually had a friend see him in a play, he is apparently very earnest) he would've been screened out a decade ago. Capella managed to put him, his wife, his daughter, and his father in the same place at the same time (rumor had it this was Arifiel Actual pulling strings to get a pilot he trusted on the escort, which only complicates the guilt/alienation picture for both of them) and he ****ed it up.

I'm sorry, I'm dictating and I tend to wander. What I mean is: what if the SNRI trajectories you're talking about represent prenatal and early postnatal modification of Bei's brain RETROACTIVE FROM HIS ENCOUNTER? Is that a possibility we should consider?

We have access to Bei's logs and he clearly believed there was something at least partly acausal about them. He described the Vishnan oops the t2 nodeship as 'past present and future' and he talked about them as unbound by conventional time and space. I don't know. I feel like I've spent too long staring at this problem. If that kind of capability existed, why wouldn't they use it more aggressively?

Here's my second bombshell. The medical data we got on Bei the younger includes a full-body physical. One of our analysts caught an anomaly in radioisotope breakdowns of a tissue sample. Bei's isotope ratios are way off for the current day...but his body would fit right in about 1.2 billion years ago. There's no variance at all. Every part of him is the exact same age. His flesh didn't grow up the way the rest of us do. It revanesced.

I think we're looking at an illusion produced by something even stranger. Can you get me access to SAR unit records from the Orestes? I want to examine the survival suit he was recovered in

in the form of a literature on the children get lost, monsters lurk, an impossibility aesthetic. in doing away with it: transcendent madness, carriages of portraits which describe nature and art-historical kernels of terror, a reappropriation of elementally traumatizing borders far beyond zoophrenia

Sammy's older than he looks! Or younger. Or something.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 16, 2015, 04:31:36 pm
sam meets oriana again

Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: T-Man on April 16, 2015, 04:47:16 pm
A limited victory for the forces of order, security, and the GTVA way. :cool:

I was given a Truth document by a confidential source. Should I post it here?

Also, can I post any non-document intel on Truth's efforts which I've gathered from sources outside the standard LTO-relay channels? I want to be sure I'm following proper protocol first.
Indeed congrats to whomever managed it; I think that might be a first in fact. To answer your questions the best person to ask would be GH (I usually use PM) but AFAIK yeah post up anything you want, or PM it to GH if you prefer; information is power in this. :yes:
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: procdrone on April 16, 2015, 04:59:46 pm
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RCC TNC IUA Q Q F
THE COMPASS IS A LITTLE OFF
000 000 832 I N S
VILLAGE PEOPLE -> COLDMORN
Threat two debriefing

is it right that it could not be argued: freedom, challenging god will, the old antiquest

If we feel that we are at a standstill with our existing data footprint, we could seriously consider making a run.

We have the codes from the Duke. We have the location of the portal and ships in position for SMOKEJUMP. We have fledgling MORPHEUS countermeasures. We could insert a team. No more SADABA YEAR bull****: a realspace run. Good old-fashioned recon.

As for the idea that Deva faculties detected a threat ahead: what if that threat is us? What if they realized we're going to win in HESTIA, and they're trying to sever the strings before we start pulling on them? I bet SECCON would like that.

Maybe we already know Shambhala will fail. Maybe t2 told us.

the presto, the usual, the heavy-lidden sink of the way of the will. to will on earth the salvation of their own instruments and they play you well. to will is to dissent
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: niffiwan on April 16, 2015, 05:09:35 pm
Sammy's older than he looks! Or younger. Or something.

Sammy's body died when the Keeper went down, was his mind was uploaded into a new body that was made for him out of old stock?  (I'm sure there's some problems with this idea, but it could be an interesting thought trail) So, could there be some sort of agent in the new body? Has his consciousness been altered along the way?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 16, 2015, 05:30:21 pm
I think Sam got uploaded into the Vishnan consciousness, and they built him a new body when the Keeper was going down. That accounts for the basic questions, though not the potential causality weirdness.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: perihelion on April 16, 2015, 08:37:40 pm
Someone also sent me a thing:
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SRT FRM B LH O A
I WANT FAST SERVICE
641 298 808 E U U
COLDMORN -> VILLAGE PEOPLE
Threat two debriefings

no curious study passes the fire forest beneath yon rock out of men's knowing. only by taking such charge of each last entity routed out by the inquisitor may the purpose of the specimens be known. this is my dispensation

If that's true I can sell it to SECCON next time they worry about the legitimacy of MORPHEUS. It's scary but it's useful news. Body snatching is intuitive and sexy. Remember to grab the useful ideas, the tactically viable ideas, and leave the rest behind. You can't afford to get snared in the existential trap. We're all components now and we ahve to perform.

Let's roll with this idea that you have about their restricted paracausal capabilities. I feel clever so let's call it Deva.

Assume they can't use that Deva capability aggressively because if they could we wouldn't be here questioning them (or at least it's not useful to think we would be) and they'd be entirely omnipotent. Imagine their intelligence as contingent on the bulk coordinates it's operating on, able to see what's immediately around it. Shadows from the past and future (which they would perceive as directions along a causal axis). So they —

ASIDE HERE: What would the reason be, to set up a system that was internally compartmentalized like that? An intelligence capable of traversing the time axis but restricted so that it can only conduct cognition in a mostly causal sense? 'I am here, so I can only know and think about information ~here?' Is it 1) a rule they imposed on themselves 2) a rule imposed on them 3) a rule imposed on them by external circumstance 4) a fundamental law

— Are you aware of the recent phenomenon we are calling the hush? Although our monitoring capabilities are very limited, we had a firm picture of Nagari traffic in the HESTIA theater. A lot happening, a lot of internal teleonomy. Abruptly it all dropped off. Fell off a cliff. FRIENDLY ANCHORITE told us that there was profound dismay over there, a sense of loss and abandonment, fear about some kind of trigger threshold.

So we began working on a model. Trying to figure out what had happened to cause this. But we couldn't pin down an exact inflection point. Something felt off.

What if we have it all backwards? What if t2's Deva capability detected a threat AHEAD and it's trying to react NOW? What if the hush is an effect and we haven't yet seen the cause?

This may be my own rathole, nootropes and anxiety driving me into a mirage, but I keep thinking about their limitations. I see them trying to WORK AROUND A PROBLEM. Like they're trying to exploit a loophole. Or influence events with just one tiny scalpel or set of forceps. Or figure out what's happening while staring at us through a periscope of unthinkable length and microscopic diameter. Like a scientist cursing her inability to position individual particles, or even see them, do you know what I

Look:

They start small. They crush the entire human species down to a few thousand people. They minimize the variables. Those people are asleep. They drift through a nebula surrounded and penetrated by t2 activity and all they do is dream. Limited scope. Small phase space. Malleable.

Now it's ready. You used up one universe to prep your payload for another.

Now they prepare a theater for delivery. One star system. Bound together by clear causal models. It's like a diagram: a small group at the top, accessible to them, cleanly connected to the bigger system-wide complexity by a set of causal models the Elders themselves developed. Hooks and levers. Steering mechanisms. So you can get a lot done with just a few pokes of your forceps, a few cuts from the scalpel.

Now they're ready to move up from a few thousand people on one ship to a few billion in one star system. They fire their bullet into the operating theater. (Why do they need a bullet? They're being sneaky? Something went wrong? They need to sharply change course? A seed? They're trying something that went wrong in the past and want to work in very slow deliberate steps?)

Start small. Grow a seed. Get it right. Take the seed. Move it to the next pot. Grow the plant. Get it right. Take the plant. Move it to the forest.

Start small. Make a gene. Get it right. Insert the gene into an organism. Grow the organism. Get it right. Take the organism. Move it to the...

What's the next layer of this? How far up does it go?

I don't know. Am I on to anything interesting? Redteam me on this.

the terms of our own fate must be permitted to stand absent before we are properly suzerain of the world. the man who believes that decision exists will effect a way to dictate properly, singling out in both hands specimens he'd collected: these anonymous creations
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: redsniper on April 16, 2015, 10:01:39 pm
These are some juicy scary documents, but what really gets me are the stream-of-consciousness headers and footers. They seem too deliberate to be just random words... but maybe the point is to give the illusion of deliberate sentences... but maybe there's deep cryptic **** hidden in them arrrgh.

I mean, "to will on earth the salvation of their own instruments and they play you well. to will is to dissent???" "the man who believes that decision exists will effect a way to dictate properly"!!
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: redsniper on April 16, 2015, 10:09:28 pm
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transcendent madness
!!!!!

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art-historical kernels of terror
Bosch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieronymus_Bosch)

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a reappropriation of elementally traumatizing borders far beyond zoophrenia
"zoophrenia" is a made up word. -phrenia apparently meaning dysfunction of the mind. Like schozophrenia. Elementally traumatizing the minds of all animals? The Great Darkness?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Leeko on April 17, 2015, 02:43:58 am
I found this somewhere. Thought you guys would want to read it.

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MDC JXM V PN N NX X
SHALL WE TAKE A SHORT STROLL
097 541 800 D F G
COLDMORN -> VILLAGE PEOPLE
Threat two debriefings

the universe is not constrained by anything that exists within it, it is a hat trick in a medicine show, a fevered dream, a trance bepopulated and destined to repeat what exists in one part in its entirety

Sorry dashing this one off real fast I have a flight

Ok let's start again from the basics. The problem we are having with the inferentials is that they keep ratholing on inbred models. You know this is a problem when they work from small footprints. So let's see if we can leverage what we have and get a bigger foot.

I am micromanaging this a little so feel free to push back. I promsie youll be ok.

What happened to the Temeraire's scout wings? Do we have any datalink telemetry? Did the pilots get Athanased or was the encounter purely coincidental? WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT BEI?

I am looking at SNRI data here which is honestly scaring the **** out of me. Have you ever talked to anyone in the Complicated Place about their notion of history? Well someone in SNRI is tearing up and down screaming that the recursive parabolic transits they observed on battery 11 are actually all fragments of a single trajectory that would be — and i borrow their phrase here because of course we all ****ing love a good euphemism — 'not conventionally causal'. If this is t2 activity and it represents real information transfer rather than some kind of necessary symmetry then a ha ha or, Professionally Speaking, we would face radical new challenges.

even in this world, he said, no man's mind be it strained by any pitch or latitude in a maze, that exists in one part in any other part in any a pitch in many a pitch in many other part. even in one part. even it all from birth. calamitous beyond reckoning.

Since I don't recall seeing it explicitly stated anywhere, I think I've worked out a few codenames? Blackbird village (as well as "the village people") sounds like SOC to me. Balcony View reads like Adm. Bei, and Friendly Anchorite sounds like possibly the traitor elder? Just idle musings I guess. This is heady stuff, though.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Colonol Dekker on April 17, 2015, 02:58:59 am
So how do I help?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 17, 2015, 03:39:56 am
Blackbird village is the GTVI black ops site, yeah.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 17, 2015, 07:37:25 am
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a reappropriation of elementally traumatizing borders far beyond zoophrenia
"zoophrenia" is a made up word. -phrenia apparently meaning dysfunction of the mind. Like schozophrenia. Elementally traumatizing the minds of all animals? The Great Darkness?

Sounds like a pretty apt way of describing the Lacanian real. Very battuta.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Damage on April 17, 2015, 08:38:53 pm
Village People really wants to send a recon mission through the Knossos at system N362 and find out whats on the other side.

Blackbird Village is probably the GTVI's deep-research/operations division (think HYDRA but without the Nazis).  Village People is probably high-up in their structure, as he communicates with Coldmorn.  Balcony View retired (forced or otherwise) apparently after Capella.  Coldmorn took over his operations, and was still running things when Admiral Bei's 14BG up and disappeared to the surprise of everybody.  Granite Mountain was an SOC group, Black Dove was Snipes.  I'll gladly post more tomorrow, if someone else doesn't get it done first.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Mars on April 19, 2015, 08:28:26 am
I think that Blackbird Village is a discreet facility rather than a division, most likely a place where the most secretive operations are carried out. We know from previous fiction that it is where interrogations tend to take place. The Village People are the SOC operatives working from this facility.
EDIT
To put it another way; Blackbird Village is very likely the place where the crew of the 14th BG was debriefed and interrogated, and where the vessels of the BG were examined. The Village People were very likely the people who had direct contact with the personnel and equipment of the 14 BG.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 19, 2015, 11:40:47 am
Blackbird Village is a discrete facility somewhere in Beta Aquilae, analogous to the Federation's Solis Lacus on Mars. (Chat with the devs on IRC is that it's probably an island somewhere on the planet.)
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: SmashMonkey on April 19, 2015, 08:06:15 pm

Quote

As for the idea that Deva faculties detected a threat ahead: what if that threat is us? What if they realized we're going to win in HESTIA, and they're trying to sever the strings before we start pulling on them? I bet SECCON would like that.

The sheer arrogant stupidity of the GTVI is overwhelming...
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Scotty on April 19, 2015, 08:35:27 pm
I don't think it qualifies as "arrogant stupidity" for the GTVA to think they're winning in Sol.

Because they pretty much are.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Lepanto on April 19, 2015, 08:38:13 pm
The document on Deva explains a key point that's been bugging me about BP's storyline. Previously, the GTVA looked incredibly stupid in trying to disrupt the quantum space-time super-aliens' little sandbox in Sol. It seems utterly impossible to inflict any real defeat on beings that have planned for everything your entire species could possibly do far 'before' your entire species ever exists.

But if the Vishnans' vision and powers have limits that can be exploited, then humanity might stand a chance at carving out its own destiny. Of course, our friend COLDMORN could be mistaken, and the Vishnans aren't (at least quite) as limited as he'd hoped. And that's not even factoring in what the Shivans or GD might do. But if true, this whole Deva thing certainly makes BP's convoluted cosmic plot make a good deal more sense, and allows for a more epic conclusion than "super-aliens impose their will on lesser races, end of story."
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Scotty on April 19, 2015, 08:59:49 pm
FreeSpace in all its iterations has always held true to the same general theme.

"You are a cog in the machine"

FreeSpace in all its iterations has also always held true to another general theme.

"You will change the face of the universe"

BP has not changed these themes.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: perihelion on April 21, 2015, 02:28:51 pm
Ok, in the interest of prodding our brains into action, I'm going to post a disclosed piece of communication from the earlier thread:
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OCAC Expedient
TIA Rapid Exemption
Candidate 616A9707YBPTR
Subspace Systems Command, Strategic Navigation Research Initiative

SADABA YEAR went into early stand-down after an internal event and the loss of some assets and personnel. However, unexpected post-mission applications across the last six months have driven an explosive knowledge footprint. Although primarily of intellectual interest, this new footprint could be mined for strategic intelligence.

At the requests of SSC thought leaders we have prepared an extremely brief precis.

Introduction

Cosmological study with conventional instruments has determined that the universe is spatially infinite, flat, and unbounded. Most importantly, the universe appears isotropic in all directions: the same laws, dynamics, and high-level structures prevail. However, the historically recent discovery of subspace opens new cosmological questions. Due to the importance of subspace navigation technology, applied subspace mathematics and computational subspace dynamics are now well understood. But due to the expense and limited utility of non-navigational subspace instruments (NNSI), broader questions have been neglected.

Summary Findings

The stand-down of SADABA YEAR left SNRI with a number of sophisticated sensor assets that were applied to scientific questions with assumption of retroactive authorization. Investigation has produced preliminary evidence for major breaches of isotropy in the subspace domain. Puzzlingly, follow-up investigation of cosmological data detects signs of teleonomy in some traits of the space/subspace interface. SNRI requests additional funding and access to strategic computational assets to determine whether these findings may be of military interest.

Specific Findings

The physical universe can be described as a subset manifold of subspace — traditionally, a bubble or sheet adrift in a larger space. Active battery transits conducted with SADABA YEAR surplus NNSI detected adjacent manifolds, supporting Bardakci et al. and numerous others.

Teleonomic inference detects tantalizing similarities in the organization of these manifolds, from high-level symmetry breaks down to astronomical structure. The similarity may continue to smaller scales. Inference suggests shared causal history until a time, tau-break, within the past several billion years (present inclusive). These nearby manifolds may be identical to or only minimally divergent from our own.

NNSI wake sensors detect subspace transit activity between these manifolds. This opens the possibility of causal action between manifolds. The origin and provenance of these transits are unknown but see Centaur/transit 21. Depending on the degree of causal drift since tau-break, observation of nearby manifolds may provide previously unavailable data on historical counterfactuals.

Initial active battery transits detected a local comoving constellation and echos of other structures at the same scale beyond the horizon of instrument resolution.

Repeated active battery transits detected a massive isotropy break within the local subspace volume. Team members nicknamed the direction of this break the 'wow vector' due to the unexpected magnitude and statistical significance of the signal. Local manifolds appear to be moving away from this vector in a loose dispersal constellation. The wow vector may represent a historical origin point and a possible reason for shared causal history.

Some team members suggest that refraction patterns and probability slopes along the wow vector are evidence of manifold necrosis.

After mathematical work outside the scope of this precis, data from NNSI investigation of the wow vector was applied to teleonomic analysis of the space/subspace interface. Results suggest traumatic isolation of our manifold from a larger structure within the cosmological timeline. However, REDTEAM counteranalysis argues that this is in fact a reverse-read of an earlier event in which multiple manifolds joined.

Teleonomic analysis of the joining and isolation events may suggest an engineered event (but see REDTEAM 8.8b).

Peripherally, SNRI teleonomic analysis of structures in the Lanieakea supercluster suggest the presence of an engineered object of unprecedented magnitude. Unfortunately, neither the funding nor manpower for further analysis of this signal has yet determined itself necessary.

Strategic Impact

Further investigation of the local structure of subspace may provide insight into the role of intelligent life in the development of the universe and the challenges it may have encountered. We hope the strategic ramifications require no further emphasis.

Special Thanks
The team would like to thank Li Weng for her extraordinarily diligent support, Djau for exemplary organization and context services, and the casualties of SADABA YEAR for their faithful service in the face of unimaginable challenges.
Now, we've had at least two if not more references to SADABA YEAR?  This is sounding like some sort of ship or installation that met an unfortunate end whilst conducting subspace research.  The postmortem appears to have revealed some fundamental properties of the universe that may shed some light on the behavior and motives of threats 1 and 2.  Does anyone have any idea what the SADABA YEAR was?  Is this a code name for a ship or installation we are already aware of?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Colonol Dekker on April 21, 2015, 02:57:12 pm
It could be,  the stand down leaving assets available could refer to a scientific venture? It could be a period or movement. I may just be focused on the YEAR part too much. But the blocks must hold significance. REDTEAM must be referred somewhere else and I'm hoping the more of these we crack the easier the cross references get.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on April 21, 2015, 03:24:53 pm
Pretty sure SADABA YEAR is the 14th Battlegroup.

REDTEAM isn't a BP-specific term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_team
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: perihelion on April 21, 2015, 09:37:19 pm
I'm pretty sure that RED TEAM, in this context, is referring to GTVA-commandeered Shivan assets along the same lines as the Fedayeen's CASSANDRA.

But you may be onto something about the SADABA YEAR referring to the entire 14th Battlegroup as a whole.  I hadn't considered that.  The context fits.  Jumps between manifolds.  Multiple jumps within another manifold.  Asset and personnel losses (because they were attacked by Shivans).

Did the Duke defect along with Bei at the end of AoA?  Trying to go by memory here.  If ANY ship would have had clues on it that would seriously spook the GTVA, that would be the one.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on April 22, 2015, 01:05:25 am
I'm pretty sure that RED TEAM, in this context, is referring to GTVA-commandeered Shivan assets along the same lines as the Fedayeen's CASSANDRA.
The term for that is "Red Asset"; based on context (e.g. "REDTEAM counteranalysis", "Redteam me on this"), REDTEAM seems pretty clearly to be the typical definition thereof.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Aesaar on April 22, 2015, 05:16:46 am
Did the Duke defect along with Bei at the end of AoA?  Trying to go by memory here.  If ANY ship would have had clues on it that would seriously spook the GTVA, that would be the one.
Duke, Labouchere, and Solace are the defector ships.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Nissan on April 22, 2015, 12:58:48 pm
I'm pretty sure that RED TEAM, in this context, is referring to GTVA-commandeered Shivan assets along the same lines as the Fedayeen's CASSANDRA.
The term for that is "Red Asset"; based on context (e.g. "REDTEAM counteranalysis", "Redteam me on this"), REDTEAM seems pretty clearly to be the typical definition thereof.

I think this is right. Outside of the military context (which seems to be focused more on independent alternate analyses, hence "REDTEAM counteranalysis"), JPL holds red team reviews for its flight projects where the reviewers' job is to attack the project team on every little detail and ambiguity. That seems to be what COLDMORN is asking for by saying "Redteam me on this."

One unrelated question: CABLE MAKER and the CABLE STAMP crew were mentioned several times in the initial batch of leaks. Who or what are they?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Colonol Dekker on April 22, 2015, 02:43:08 pm
Well making cable is a metaphor for taking a poo. SOOOOOO.....
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Damage on April 23, 2015, 04:59:46 pm
I've been meaning to post this for a few days now, so here it is.  I'm not taking sides between GRANITE HUNTER and truth, but I do want to at least make sure I've got everything straight so anybody correct me on it, or provide alternate interpretations.  These are in no particular order (mostly alphabetical) and unless otherwise specified, no gender is implied.


BALCONY VIEW -- High-level former GTVI/SOC officer.  Active before the 2nd Incursion, B.V. apparently retired sometime after Capella.

Blackbird Village -- SOC facility somewhere in Beta Aquilae, partly used as a debriefing/interrogation center

BLACK DOVE -- LtCdr Snipes, SOC officer

COLDMORN -- Balcony View's successor, and inheritor of BV's assets and operations.  COLDMORN directly ordered Fleet assets to allow the Iceni to pass.

Complicated Place -- The "V" half of the GTVA.

CELTIC TRIPLE -- Admiral Bosch, last seen somewhere in the nebula beyond Gamma Draconis

CABLE STAMP -- Unknown high-level person within the GTVA.  Apparently close friends with Admiral Petrarch, a strong advocate for returning to Earth.

CABLE MAKER -- Unknown high-level person within the GTVA,

CHARIOT DRIVER -- Admiral Ahmose, who knowingly endangered an SOC operation to uncover information about ETAK.

FRIENDLY ANCHORITE -- An agent within the UEF, leaked useful information to the GTVA--probably Elder Henriksson

GRANITE MOUNTAIN -- SOC operational group, responsible for Snipes' operations.

HESTIA -- Sol Theatre of operations

METIS -- Unspecified operational plan, possibly deals with reintegrating Sol into the GTVA

MORPHEUS -- GTVA's contingency plan for dealing with Threat Two (Vishnan) interference

NEMESIS -- Fleet Tasking for defending against a Shivan incursion

NEMESIS NOW-- Group tasked with understanding the Shivans

Red Asset -- Possibly a GTVA/SOC equivalent to the CASSANDRA mainframe used by the Fedayeen.  (Just as probably a large computer farm somewhere in Beta Aquilae

SADABA YEAR -- 14th Battlegroup.  (Alternate interpretation:  Sync drive research?)

SMOKEJUMP -- Recon-in-Force mission planned by Village People for a run into N362 (and then through the Knossos in that system, if possible.)

SPARROW MAW -- SOC Asset on board the Colossus, probably responsible for sabotaging said vessel during the Iceni's transit.

VILLAGE PEOPLE -- Person or persons stationed at Blackbird Village, currently concerned with Treat Two (Vishnan) analysis and countermeasures

WIZARD MAN -- SOC agent, possibly "Captain White"
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Those are all the code names I could pull from, as you can see several do not have true identities yet.  I have a notion that Cable Maker or Cable Stamp is somehow a politician, as opposed to a military officer (like President Toqueville, for example.  Nothing to support that, just the immediate gut feeling.

I agree with Admiral Ralwood regarding SADABA YEAR.  It fits better than my first take on the idea, that it was somehow a scientific project that went wrong.  I still like that notion though, and it still feels plausible with notions like the Sync drive.

For anyone who's interested, Captain White investigated the Vassago Incident.  That's probably not his real name.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Colonol Dekker on April 23, 2015, 05:04:24 pm
Cable maker and stamp could be dictators of policy,  general assembly etc.  Cable being comms etc. Stamp could be executors of said policy -  admiralty etc?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: The Dagger on April 23, 2015, 06:19:54 pm
Interestingly, BLACK DOVE and GRANITE MOUNTAIN are canon:

(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r503/Dagguerreotype/blackdove_zpsqsiw82r1.png)
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 23, 2015, 08:08:52 pm
These are some juicy scary documents, but what really gets me are the stream-of-consciousness headers and footers. They seem too deliberate to be just random words... but maybe the point is to give the illusion of deliberate sentences... but maybe there's deep cryptic **** hidden in them arrrgh.

I mean, "to will on earth the salvation of their own instruments and they play you well. to will is to dissent???" "the man who believes that decision exists will effect a way to dictate properly"!!

It was suggested way back when the RCT document was leaked that the headers are being injected as part of Federation Nagari-assisted intercept procedures, though the fact that they're inside the message body isn't ideal for that theory.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: niffiwan on April 23, 2015, 08:13:54 pm
I thought the header/footers were standard crypto security padding (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_world_wonders)?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 23, 2015, 08:22:26 pm
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The GVCv Sopedu was assigned to provide TAG support, but the ship's commander, a veteran of both flight and warship engagements, experienced an episode of intrusive ideation. The GVCv Thutmose was hastily reassigned to the engagement.

This, incidentally, is a reference to an in-game inconsistency between the briefing for Speaking in Tongues (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Briefing_texts_(FS2)#Speaking_in_Tongues) and the actual mission (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Speaking_in_Tongues#Notable_ships_present). It's also a nice little glimpse into the broader Nagari environment in its own right.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 23, 2015, 08:24:40 pm
I thought the header/footers were standard crypto security padding (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_world_wonders)?

Oh, I didn't know about that. It's a very good explanation (though even modern crypto is well past the point where it would actually be useful...).
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Damage on April 24, 2015, 07:34:52 pm
I thought it might be something like that, though I thought it might be something more like the "canary trap."  (i.e. certain versions of the text have specific words changed to reveal sources.  The words themselves are interchangeable, but they allow Counter-Intel types to backtrack sources for leaks. 
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: EuclidianGeometry on May 07, 2015, 10:51:04 am

HEADER BEGINS
Hello relay2!
Hello truth!
Are you feeling discreet?
We are very discreet!
HEADER ENDS

and power was given unto them over the children of the earth, to speak falsely of home, to speak falsely of war, to speak falsely of friends, and of enemies, and of the shapes in the dark

behold a pale kingdom, in a hidden place!


power given unto them over the children of the earth = elders and ubuntu given control over sol by vishnans

shapes in the dark = any one of the three entities ; Vishnans, Shivans, or Great Darkness

pale kingdom in a hidden place = totally Shambala. Could the Laniakea Supercluster object be Shambala?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 07, 2015, 10:56:37 am
99% sure that passage is about the ntf, not the uef
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: TrickMagnet on May 15, 2015, 05:17:21 pm
rip lore
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 15, 2015, 07:33:46 pm
That's what happens if you expect Granite Hunter to deliver, I guess
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: BritishShivans on May 16, 2015, 08:33:36 am
granite hunter more like an actual bag of granite
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 16, 2015, 09:45:19 am
op is a bag of granite
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 16, 2015, 01:50:03 pm
Golf Hotel.


Hugs.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Terminator on June 03, 2015, 02:14:16 pm
Has Granite Hunter been compromised by agents of truth?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: BritishShivans on June 03, 2015, 02:42:00 pm
no, granite hunter is just unreliable and also a animate bag of granite
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: perihelion on June 04, 2015, 08:28:59 pm
Or perhaps they have succeeded in their mission: suppressing the flow of further information.    :sigh:
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: BritishShivans on June 04, 2015, 08:42:32 pm
also likely
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: SmashMonkey on June 05, 2015, 01:11:52 am
Maybe there's a union strike at GTI?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on June 17, 2015, 02:30:23 pm
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Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Granite Hunter on June 17, 2015, 03:02:09 pm
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Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Lepanto on June 17, 2015, 03:08:58 pm
GH is alive? And you mean we actually have to ANALYZE things now?

 :shaking: Call me a moron, but I have no clue how to extract any meaningful info out of that.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: JSRNerdo on June 17, 2015, 03:15:23 pm
All things considered this is most likely encrypted in some sort of encryption which only the people who were mentioned in the posts know how to break or have the key for. We'll have to wait on them.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: The Dagger on June 17, 2015, 05:47:32 pm
I received a PM with a key. It's a one-time pad hexadecimal code. Since my work laptop wasn't at hand I used an online decoder (http://www.mobilefish.com/services/one_time_pad/one_time_pad.php#one_time_pad_output) along with my key.
Here's the text. What does it mean, I don't know.

STEVEDORE: [keyword: initiate primes] You were in the military?
[prime: infrasonic dread cue, 50ms retinal array nova imagery]
MORIAN: Yes. I have an appointment about that. That’s why I’m here.
[prime: infrasonic dread cue, transcranial ephemera, 25ms retinal array shivan imagery]
STEVEDORE: Push. Push. It’s moving. What was he like?
MORIAN: Good. Good at his job. People counted on him.
[reward: door progress]
STEVEDORE: Yeah? You don’t sound happy about that.
MORIAN: He gave up on us. When it mattered. There were people who needed him and he left. I had to take over.
STEVEDORE: How did that go? Push. Push, man.
MORIAN: No. Rest. We might be making it worse. They’ll come get us.
[prime: subliminal audio cue, orestes log] — Stop that sleeper ship from escaping.
[prime: olfactory cue, warship cic scent pattern]
MORIAN: I can’t figure out what I meant. I said something. They keep asking me about it. But I don’t know why I used those words.
[prime: subliminal audio cue, orestes log fragment] — Stop escaping.
STEVEDORE: You were under a lot of pressure.
MORIAN: They think everything means something. They don’t understand. It’s chaos. You lose the Admiral, it’s chaos. You’re just trying to get control.
[prime: subliminal audio cue, orestes log fragment] — escaping. escaping. escaping.
STEVEDORE: You were just trying to make the best of a bad situation.
MORIAN: They think I knew something. But I didn’t. I just wanted to keep the fleet together. We fought to save that ship.
[prime: free association array] — escaping prisoner jail contagion pathogen pet threat danger
STEVEDORE: I’m getting claustrophobic. Let’s push.
MORIAN: No. We don’t know what we’re doing. Stop. Stop. We have to wait for help.
STEVEDORE: I don’t like it in here.
MORIAN: You’ll just make it worse.
STEVEDORE: Maybe you have a good gut, mister. Maybe you’re picking up on something I’m not.
MORIAN: I don’t think so. I just don’t want to do anything hasty.

EDIT: Looks like the interrogation of someone on the 14th BG. Those bracketed comments may indicate they are probing him somehow. I think they talk about the desertion of Admiral Bei.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: niffiwan on June 17, 2015, 06:14:14 pm
Vice Admiral Morian took over command of the 14th after Bei defected.
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Journey%27s_End
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on June 17, 2015, 06:29:28 pm
>one time pad split between public forum and pm
>completely equivalent to just pming

what is this, amateur hour
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: JSRNerdo on June 17, 2015, 09:14:41 pm
Well it's less evil than a three-step viginere/caesar shift, and then an AES-256 onto a polybius square which we'd have to figure out with the hint "I think polygamy is rad"
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on June 18, 2015, 01:03:36 am
Well, this was less complicated than expected, thnak you very much The Dagger (although I did get to read a bunch of good stuff about cryptography on wikipedia) :

Quote
Nagari as a provably safe protocol for computation in a noetically dense rechnender raum. Keller, Menes, Djehuti. In The Gauntlet 9(3).
Subjects: Nagari, noospheres, computational physics

The researchers use first principles to derive safe operations in a range of noetically dense ontos, including stack configurations commonly derived in analysis of failsafe swarm redoubts. Difficulties of low bleed exchanges across physical domains are discussed. Structural rhyme analysis cannot inform model dependent invasiveness in violations of claim space inequalities, suggesting that available resources should be redistributed towards Djehuti projects. The work introduces a foundation for bottom-up reasoning about nonlocal encoding and retrieval events across involuted topologies in the subspace laminae. Speculation about end state rechnender raum resource allocation occupies no more than one paragraph.

Nagari as a provably unsafe protocol for computation in a noetically dense rechnender raum. Keller, Menes, Irike. In The Gauntlet 9(14)
Subjects: Nagari, noospheres, computational physics, efficient allocation of resources, humor, not funny

The researchers construct a rechnender raum in which the protocols derived by Keller, Menes, Djehuti (2385) can be exploited by Think About Mes to recruit arbitrary claim space. A proof of the insecurity of these protocols is proposed, including an estimate of the required dumb crunch for a brute force proof. A petition is advanced for the construction of an ontos which can perform this proof using resources efficiently reallocated from Djehuti projects. As a side effect, strong godlike control over conventional spacetime could be obtained. Speculation about end state rechnender raum resource allocation occupies no less than one paragraph.

Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on June 18, 2015, 02:52:26 am
Quote
STEVEDORE: Push. Push. It’s moving. What was he like?
...
[reward: door progress]
...
STEVEDORE: How did that go? Push. Push, man.
MORIAN: No. Rest. We might be making it worse. They’ll come get us.
...
STEVEDORE: I’m getting claustrophobic. Let’s push.
MORIAN: No. We don’t know what we’re doing. Stop. Stop. We have to wait for help.
STEVEDORE: I don’t like it in here.
MORIAN: You’ll just make it worse.
STEVEDORE: Maybe you have a good gut, mister. Maybe you’re picking up on something I’m not.
MORIAN: I don’t think so. I just don’t want to do anything hasty.
So, they manufactured an incident in which Morian is... stuck in a lift? Trapped in some sort of small compartment with this Stevedore individual (name doesn't ring a bell; anyone recognize it?). The environment is controlled (the specific scent of a warship's CIC can be pumped in), but the illusion that they are stuck is being directed at Morian in the hope that Stevedore can get information out of him (information he may not even be consciously aware of).

Suddenly very reminded of Captain White (or should I say WIZARD MAN?) and his "debriefings".

EDIT: This (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculating_Space) may be helpful to understand the second fragment.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Damage on June 18, 2015, 03:11:22 pm
(Former?) Admiral Morian is being interrogated at Blackbird Village post-AoA.  Invasive measures.  Ditto it's probably WIZARD MAN (or possibly a colleague of his.)

It almost reads like he's under hypnosis.  Or even in some kind of therapy.

Is "reverse therapy" a thing?  Putting someone in a therapy-type setting as a cover for really getting into their head?  Would be especially useful if you had some kind of future-tech that allowed you direct access to people's minds...like Project Nagari or something derived from it.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Celendil on June 23, 2015, 05:27:32 pm
[prime: infrasonic dread cue, 50ms retinal array nova imagery]
[prime: infrasonic dread cue, transcranial ephemera, 25ms retinal array shivan imagery]
[reward: door progress]
[prime: subliminal audio cue, orestes log] — Stop that sleeper ship from escaping.
[prime: olfactory cue, warship cic scent pattern]
[prime: subliminal audio cue, orestes log fragment] — Stop escaping.
[prime: subliminal audio cue, orestes log fragment] — escaping. escaping. escaping.
[prime: free association array] — escaping prisoner jail contagion pathogen pet threat danger

The "priming" of the subject implied by the quoted parts of the record are interesting to me in what they seem to reveal about GTI's methods of interrogation.

The way I read it, there's two ways to interpret them - one that Morian is in a sensory controlled environment, wearing something similar (but obviously advanced of) the Occulus, that's able to overlay imagery over whatever construct he's being subjected to, as well as provide olfactory and audio cues at a subliminal level, OR, and this is the scarier version, they're directly jacking into his audio, olfactory, and visual cortexes via a cranial shunt that's allowing them to directly subject him to the scenario constructed around him.

The latter seems more like the extreme methods of GTI, because it's also less likely to involve sensations external to whatever input they're controlling, like the weight of any headset, etc, which could distract the subject from what they want them to see.

Is this an example of normal interrogation methods for the GTI? Do they plan to use the same techniques on truth, or their associates and handlers?
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: SmashMonkey on June 27, 2015, 03:13:48 pm
What if we're looking at the entire war from the wrong perspective?

Lets start with what we do know: Laporte was created by Ken as a deniable asset, and her connections to the Shivans are covered up through Ken's actions. What does this tell us about Shivan behavior? A lot: That they have plan - that she is part of - which they do not want the Vishnans to find out about. And why have they not engaged in direct confrontation with each other? Because they both need each other for some unknown purpose. Doesn't this kind of behavior sound very very familiar? (FS1: Silent Threat - Mission 1: SOC trying to preserve the Tev-Vas alliance through containing "risks" to that bond)

What is Ken's ultimate goal? Destroy the GTVA.

And do the Vishnans want the UEF to win the war? No.

Think about it. They set up the UEF. They had the power to protect the UEF (Eg. Prevented the 14th at first from reaching Sol). But why not stop the GTVA thrust into Sol after the 14th returned?

So then, was the UEF was nothing more than bait? I mean, look at how helter-skelter the GTA got about Threat Two, which resulted in them attacking Sol. They practically played into the Vishnan's hands (do they even have hands in subspace?)

But why would the Vishans go through all of this trouble? Because somehow, humanity is a counter to their plans. And if they directly wiped out humanity, it would bring them into direct confrontation with the Shivans and possibly dissolve their alliance. Hence their indirect manipulation of humanity to get the Shivans to invoke the Terminal Protocol. Similarly, the Shivans cannot refuse to do so due to the politics of the Shiv-Vish alliance.

So here's the big question: Why is humanity so important to the Shivans?









Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Adderbane on June 30, 2015, 09:42:17 pm
So here's the big question: Why is humanity so important to the Shivans?

The Shivans are bound by the Terminal Protocool, which seems to limit their interactions with the Vishnans and other species.  If they break it, it seems implied something horrible will happen.  They also seem to be at a disadvantage with the Vishnans, since they were unable to destroy the 14th, even though they seemed to try pretty hard.  Perhaps they seek to use humanity to readjust the status quo.

There's something that they can't (or aren't allowed more likely) to do that humanity possibly can.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Celendil on July 01, 2015, 02:44:44 am
So here's the big question: Why is humanity so important to the Shivans?

There's something that they can't (or aren't allowed more likely) to do that humanity possibly can.

I did a lot of thinking about this very question after playing the campaign, reading all of the canon, and a lot of the speculation, and I put a LOT of words down of my own speculation... here's a fragment of what I wrote:


It's impossible to say for sure, but the Shivans may have suspected for some time that the Vishnans had deviated from the original plan of the Terminal Protocol (I've outlined my guess as to what that is but I won't add it all here because it'll add two thousand words to this post, suffice to say that I think the Vishnans are the 'non phyiscal' guardians of the Summed Psyche that is the summation of every species that has ever advance to a post-physical existence, based in Subspace, and the Shivans are the physical 'gardeners' who remove species who can't/wont progress and/or pose a threat to others who could, as part of a plan originally developed by the Brahmans to prevent another catastrophic war, even though that war might have been what allowed the Brahmans to develop in the first place) The Shivans might not have suspected that the Vishnans were seeking to develop humanity to supersede the Shivans (this is my belief of what the Vishnans want for us, at least), but when they came close enough to sense the Vishnans Nagari influence on Earth (during the Second Incursion), their response seems to have been thus: interfere by developing the capability to liase with humanity like the Vishnans have with the Elders, I suspect by using Aken Bosch and the others who first approached them with the ETAK communication technology, to form the non-Shivan, non-Vishnana anima and granting it access to the Nagari network to allow it to manipulate potential agents on Earth, to counter the Vishnans.

Hence Noemi (and the others like her that Ken implies exist).

So the Vishnans plan has been stymied several times now - and Ubuntu, instead of spreading to the GTVA to form a compliant human race ready to be uplifted to replace the Shivans as the new gardeners, has been halted and contained by the GTVA, who have gone to war with Sol to prevent just that occuring, and they suspect that the Shivans have Nagari influenced agents just like Bei and his father, and now they feel like all their plans have been compromised.. so they're giving up, and they're going to cull humanity and the Vasudans, and search again for another agent to develop into their replacement for the Shivans.

Clearly, the Shivans don't want this, and here we come to my speculation for the bargain that the Shivans made with Bosch: Humanity WILL be uplifted, but rather than replacing the Shivans as the Gardeners, we will replace the Vishnans as the keepers of the Summed Psyche.

There are obvious difficulties with this - the Summed Pysche requires a level of psychological development that humans haven't yet reached - except potentially for some of those in the Sol system, under Ubuntu. (Ironically, having been conditioned by the Vishnans). This is why Ken doesn't want the GTVA to destroy the UEF, why he knows for certain that it will result in the end of humanity - but in essence, the Shivans will spare humanity destruction for long enough as it takes to develop to the point where we can take control of the Summed Psyche and become the new keepers, while the Shivans continue to tend to the 'gardens'. Taking over as guardians/controllers of the Summed Psyche is the "one thing they [the Shivans] can't do," because they are calculators, not curators. Once a race sublimes into the Summed Psyche, they are beyond the calculations of the physical world which the Shivans now control, and because of this the Shivans are unable to be both Gardener and Curator and require a partner, and THAT is what they want with us.

Though now that I think about it, Noemi's ability to set aside everything and become a finely tuned killing machine almost make her more Shivan than Vishnan. Perhaps she could be the go-between, for the future uplifted humanity as the curators of the Summed Psyche, and the Shivans who continue their work as gardners.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: redsniper on November 08, 2015, 05:54:14 pm
... As a side effect, strong godlike control over conventional spacetime could be obtained....

Uh... guys? Anyone worried about this? :warp:
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on November 08, 2015, 05:58:51 pm
an object lesson in the dangers of giving complexity science researchers too much funding
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Phantom Hoover on November 08, 2015, 06:00:18 pm
they have strong godlike control over a corner of the maths department at warwick, it smells really weird in there
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: matrixdude32 on February 04, 2016, 05:53:47 am
Hi, if this is still happening I'd like to signal my interest to become an analyst. if not then don't worry.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: General Battuta on October 13, 2019, 11:38:14 am
Man, this was a good time, wasn't it.
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: TechnoD11 on October 13, 2019, 01:10:42 pm
Yes it was.

Also still lookin forward to this:
https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/UEX_Maitreya (https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/UEX_Maitreya)
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 13, 2019, 02:39:22 pm
More buntu scum is bad 😜😜😘😘
Title: Re: CRISIS OPERATIONS CENTER
Post by: perihelion on October 13, 2019, 07:24:34 pm
Yes, it was a really good time.  Honestly blown away that it has been nearly 4 years.  I didn't think that much time had passed.