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Title: Picard
Post by: Luis Dias on May 23, 2019, 01:22:14 pm
Upcoming series, apparently about a vineyard.  :yes:


EDIT: For those who cannot watch the embedded video (which might have region restrictions), this seems to work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGijGIZrGKc - Sandwich
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 23, 2019, 01:57:09 pm
Inb4kirkwars.


I'll be keeping an eye on this topic.  ;7
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Buckshee Rounds on May 23, 2019, 05:50:21 pm
My feelings on this are massively mixed. If it's any good then yay, but if not then I'll just jam my fingers in my ears and go lalala like I do with Discovery.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Rhymes on May 23, 2019, 07:52:09 pm
I'm excited to see what the Post-Nemesis world of Star Trek looks like, and Patrick Stewart is a net improvement to anything he's in. Hopefully it's good.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: TechnoD11 on May 23, 2019, 10:48:56 pm
Patrick Stewart is a net improvement to anything he's in. Hopefully it's good.

I agree with you on all accounts except one:
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Lest anyone forget that the Emoji movie was a thing that was actually made. :nono:
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: karajorma on May 23, 2019, 11:49:10 pm
He probably was an improvement on even that.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Luis Dias on May 24, 2019, 03:33:39 am
He probably was an improvement on even that.

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Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Hunter on May 24, 2019, 05:48:13 am
Step right up, get your Picard vintage! Step right up!
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Sandwich on May 27, 2019, 10:02:15 am
So getting into this a wee bit more, the voice-over in the trailer says:

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"15 years ago—today—you led us out of the darkness. You commanded the greatest rescue armada in history. Then—the unimaginable. What did that cost you? Your faith? Your faith in us? Your faith in yourself? Tell us, why did you leave Starfleet, Admiral?"

Also, from Wikipedia:

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The series is set 20 years after Jean-Luc Picard's last appearance in Star Trek: Nemesis (2002), and finds the character deeply affected by the destruction of Romulus as depicted in the film Star Trek (2009).

So 5 years after Nemesis, Picard leads a rescue armada. The most likely destination for this armada is obviously Romulus. The mentioned "unimaginable" is possibly the actual destruction of Romulus, or perhaps some terrible mishap that took place shortly thereafter. Regardless, this "unimaginable" event seems to have some sort of connection with a decision Picard made ("...the unimaginable. What did that cost you?").

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 27, 2019, 11:15:28 am
Is the trailer region locked?  It says unavailable in the UK :/
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: karajorma on May 27, 2019, 11:22:43 am
Region locking a trailer would possibly be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. "No you can't watch an advert for our product, it might make you want to buy it! You might help create a buzz about it online. You might encourage other people to see it."
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: BlueFlames on May 27, 2019, 12:27:03 pm
Region locking a trailer would possibly be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

I've heard of movie production companies copyright striking the official trailers for their films on the films' official YouTube channels.

Never underestimate the power of dumb.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Black Wolf on May 27, 2019, 05:50:02 pm
Region locking a trailer would possibly be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. "No you can't watch an advert for our product, it might make you want to buy it! You might help create a buzz about it online. You might encourage other people to see it."

I'm guessing that's a direct quote from CBS? Because the trailer is indeed region locked. Easy enough to find mirrors though.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: karajorma on May 27, 2019, 06:33:10 pm
Never underestimate the power of dumb.

I was going to comment underneath that sentence saying that since it's that dumb, of course that's what happened. It's not that I didn't believe they'd region locked it, it was just that stupidity like that should be pointed out.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Sandwich on May 28, 2019, 08:53:49 am
I know releasing the full versions of shows & movies is highly-dependent on distribution rights in each local region... perhaps trailers are for some reason subject to the same restrictions.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: perihelion on May 28, 2019, 09:34:19 pm
Yeah, that's more or less the point.  All real barriers to distribution are pretty much gone.  You can watch anything you want and whatever time you want where ever you want.  Except for these daft little artificial barriers to distribution that the cable companies and content providers artificially impose in order to hang onto a hopelessly outmoded business model.

Seriously.  I've been pretty religious about buying legitimate copies of anything that I like enough to stream more than a few times.  But when they insist on this kind of asinine restrictions on, "Oh, you found a legal copy of the song you want, but this album is only available in iTunes Nigeria currently.  Please check out the offerings available in your current region..."  I'm paraphrasing, but I'm not making this up.  Found a rare song by a band I liked and wanted to buy a legitimate copy.  I can't.  Because I'm not in fricking NIGERIA.

This is when I seriously start asking myself why I even bother trying the legal approach.  When they make it this difficult to be the good guy, why bother?  Why not just be a pirate?  And this is me, ME saying this.  I haven't pirated anything in darn near 2 decades!
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Luis Dias on May 29, 2019, 04:01:27 am
So getting into this a wee bit more, the voice-over in the trailer says:

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"15 years ago—today—you led us out of the darkness. You commanded the greatest rescue armada in history. Then—the unimaginable. What did that cost you? Your faith? Your faith in us? Your faith in yourself? Tell us, why did you leave Starfleet, Admiral?"

Also, from Wikipedia:

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The series is set 20 years after Jean-Luc Picard's last appearance in Star Trek: Nemesis (2002), and finds the character deeply affected by the destruction of Romulus as depicted in the film Star Trek (2009).

So 5 years after Nemesis, Picard leads a rescue armada. The most likely destination for this armada is obviously Romulus. The mentioned "unimaginable" is possibly the actual destruction of Romulus, or perhaps some terrible mishap that took place shortly thereafter. Regardless, this "unimaginable" event seems to have some sort of connection with a decision Picard made ("...the unimaginable. What did that cost you?").

Thoughts?

Seems you got it pretty much figured it out.

I guess this will be a show with Picard starring as a kind of a captain of a rogueish ship, with questionable characters in it. I like where this is going, almost reads like what Logan is to the X-Man series.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: MP-Ryan on May 31, 2019, 11:17:48 am
Patrick Stewart will not be a part of a Trek that is complete garbage, so I have faith this will actually be good.  As someone else said, PatStew makes everything better.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: karajorma on June 01, 2019, 12:10:33 am
*cough* Nemesis *cough*
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 01, 2019, 02:06:27 am
That was.........pissing awful.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Novachen on June 01, 2019, 04:02:14 am
*cough* Nemesis *cough*

Had still some strong scenes.
Because the TNG movies were more about Data in general IMO, it was actually not too bad.

Sure, it could be much better... if they had kept most of the deleted scenes in the movie.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: BlueFlames on June 01, 2019, 08:58:34 am
*cough* Nemesis *cough*

... it was actually not too bad.

It was bad enough that the entire franchise went on hiatus for several years and needed a reboot upon its return.  That's pretty bad.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: mjn.mixael on June 01, 2019, 09:10:31 am
To be fair... The franchise had been in decline for a few years beforehand.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Luis Dias on June 03, 2019, 06:05:57 am
Yeah, since they started making TNG movies.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Trivial Psychic on June 03, 2019, 06:57:55 am
First Contact was their last "Winner".  After that the even-number-curse was broken... but not in a good way.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Luis Dias on June 03, 2019, 09:13:13 am
I will never understand the reverence towards First Contact. It's a dumb stupid movie.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: The E on June 03, 2019, 09:48:03 am
I will never understand the reverence towards First Contact. It's a dumb stupid movie.

It has a pretty decent script, all the actors are into it and seem to be having fun, the plot is decent and builds off of TNG's single best plot thread, the action setpieces are good, the effects still hold up pretty well.... It's a good movie. It's not a masterpiece on the scale of Undiscovered Country or Wrath of Khan, but it is, at worst, serviceable. The weakest element in it is Alice Krige as the Borg Queen (And that's only the weakest element because it made the borg less interesting, not because of any weakness on Krige's part or how she was used in the story). Out of the four TNG movies, it is easily and with quite a margin the best one; Personally, I would rank it directly behind Undiscovered Country in terms of overall quality.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Luis Dias on June 03, 2019, 10:00:05 am
You should rewatch it with your brain turned on. I agree with you it's the best TNG movie (I have yet to watch Nemesis, but I will believe everyone else on the matter of its overall badness), that it is somewhat fun and campy, but the amount of sheer stupidity in that script is beyond words.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: The E on June 03, 2019, 10:04:30 am
I last saw it a year or two ago. I stand by my opinions :P
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on June 03, 2019, 10:40:57 am
the amount of sheer stupidity in that script is beyond words.
I'd argue that's par for the course with Star Trek (and compared to the likes of Nemesis, it looks downright smart), and far from being the worst that Trek can do in that regard. Remember, episodes like Best of Both Worlds or films like Wrath of Khan are the exception, not the rule.
Then again, I am usually willing to excuse stupid stories if they make up for it in action or comedy.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Luis Dias on June 03, 2019, 10:55:48 am
Even Star Trek V has an incredible tight script compared to FC, let alone all the other 5 TOS movies.


I wished I was being facetious. Again, this harkens back at my lack of undertanding about how people really think FC is a good movie. I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: BlueFlames on June 03, 2019, 11:37:44 am
First Contact works best as a standalone movie.  It is a good sci-fi action movie, taken on its own.  In the wider context of Star Trek, it doesn't fit the themes; it does a disservice to the Borg, and it set half the cast on the road of wanting to be action stars in the subsequent Trek films.  I blame First Contact for the terrible dune buggy scene in Nemesis.

Hot take:  The TNG films peaked with Generations.  While it undermined the send-off that the TOS cast got in The Undiscovered Country, it was an original concept that executed at the level of a good, two-hour long TNG episode.  And, you know, why are you buying tickets to a Trek movie, if not to watch some Star Trek?  Don't @ me.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 03, 2019, 12:48:03 pm
It had loads of action and featured that whole discovery of warp drive thing.

Win in my book.

Plus time travel.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on June 03, 2019, 01:26:15 pm
Even Star Trek V has an incredible tight script compared to FC
I will admit to not be aware as to what constitutes a "tight script" from a film-making perspective, so I can't really comment on that.


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how people really think FC is a good movie. I just don't get it.
That however, is a good summary of how I feel regarding Star Trek 4...
As for 8, well it has the good fortune how a) being an even-numbered Trek film back when the "even/odd Trek film" meme was a thing, and b) being nested between the godawaful ST 7 & 9.

Throw in an established cool popular villain (queen antics aside), loads of good-looking action (action-movie logic aside), that whole discovery of warp drive thing, plus some good performances from the cast, and you've got a solid recipe for a popular film.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: mjn.mixael on June 03, 2019, 01:42:48 pm
A tight script means everything that's in the movie is there for a reason and has some sort of payoff. Think The Dark Knight... Where even the lawyer who tries to blackmail Bruce Wayne early in the film later appears as part of Joker's schemes. Everything in the film pushes the plot forward in some meaningful way.

It's been a while since I watched FC, but I don't recall much waste in terms of scenes. So I'd agree it has a tight script.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Buckshee Rounds on June 03, 2019, 06:55:01 pm
It's down to the feel of the film too. Even Wrath of Khan had one or two silly plot elements (Ceti Alpha V being Ceti Alpha VI comes to mind), but you can suspend your disbelief because it's a brilliant film. It's a swashbuckling high seas adventure, but in space. First Contact tries to ape a lot of that, somewhat unsuccessfully, and comes off as a dumb albeit very enjoyable action film. The TNG films are otherwise mostly pish.

And I do agree the franchise has been in a decline ever since. Enterprise ruined much of the canon, but it also tried very hard at times to be faithful and congruent, where I feel Discovery really hasn't been. It's also just downright unwatchable at times and I really worry about having the same staff working on ST: Picard.

Ultimately it doesn't matter though, as far as I see it, Star Trek has been tarnished for all time in much the same way Star Wars was ruined by the prequels. They'll never go away and they can never be fixed. Ever. It's like finding out your best friend was actually eating babies for as long as you've known them. So **** it, if it's good then that's good and if it's not then it doesn't matter because it's wrecked anyway and I'm past caring any more.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Luis Dias on June 04, 2019, 04:28:22 am
Ok, even I will never say that Generations is the peak TNG movie. Let's say you found my limits there.

Regarding tightness in FC, the whole story is bull****. The Borg want to invade Earth, but then they actually want to go back in time to invade Earth when there's no Federation, but then they actually want to stop First Contact, but then what the queen had in mind was actually to persuade Data to join the ranks. Those are four different plots and villain intents, they are not interchangeable.

If you want to invade Earth you go with multiple cubes, not one.
If you want to go back in time and invade Earth when it's vulnerable, do so far away from any nagging starfleet ship that may enter your slipstream.
If you want to stop First Contact, you... don't need to. If you invade Earth ten years before that, there is no First Contact.
If you wanted Data to join the ranks, weren't there better ways to do so?

Notice, I haven't touched the whole Queen debacle.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: karajorma on June 04, 2019, 05:02:43 am
To be fair

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If you want to invade Earth you go with multiple cubes, not one.

Last time they tried they only sent one cube and they damn near succeeded. And this time they still come pretty damn close.

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If you want to go back in time and invade Earth when it's vulnerable, do so far away from any nagging starfleet ship that may enter your slipstream.

Going back in time appears to be a backup plan they tried when plan A failed. Given that the other choice was to be destroyed, it's not a bad plan. Once again, it almost succeeded.

As for the rest of it, yeah, I tend to agree.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Luis Dias on June 04, 2019, 06:26:46 am
It's not that you cannot argue around every instance of the plot, which I guess you can to a point, it's the constant barrage of unjustified turns akin to children's playful narratives "I'm gonna destroy you with this giant robot! Ahah you wished, my powerful gun smashes it to pieces! Oh yeah? Surprise I have a hidden sphere I pulled from the robot's ass! Oh yeah? my ship is gonna football it! Surprise my sphere TRAVELS THROUGH TIME ahahah you didn't see that comin! Oh yeah? My ship will follow you and blow you to pieces! Oh yeah?

By the time they change their plans by the fifth or sixth time, I've already checked out from the movie.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: The E on June 04, 2019, 06:51:14 am
Regarding tightness in FC, the whole story is bull****. The Borg want to invade Earth, but then they actually want to go back in time to invade Earth when there's no Federation, but then they actually want to stop First Contact, but then what the queen had in mind was actually to persuade Data to join the ranks. Those are four different plots and villain intents, they are not interchangeable.

... A villain having having multiple plans and approaches is a problem now?

I'm sorry, I really can't wrap my head around this: If any of those plans interfered with each other, or if the script had forgotten about any of them at any point, then you might have a point, but it doesn't.

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If you want to go back in time and invade Earth when it's vulnerable, do so far away from any nagging starfleet ship that may enter your slipstream.
If you want to stop First Contact, you... don't need to. If you invade Earth ten years before that, there is no First Contact.
If you wanted Data to join the ranks, weren't there better ways to do so?

Oh no, the villains' plan has a weakness, what a glaring issue!

I mean, if you're arguing on that level, pretty much any story where villains are thwarted is nonsense and bad. Why doesn't Obadiah Stane just shoot Tony Stark, or hire a thug to do that?
Why doesn't Khan just ram the Reliant into the Enterprise to disable her, then kill Kirk in one-on-one combat?
Why doesn't the Empire make sure the reactor room of the second Death Star is thoroughly shielded and armored first?

It's not that you cannot argue around every instance of the plot, which I guess you can to a point, it's the constant barrage of unjustified turns akin to children's playful narratives "I'm gonna destroy you with this giant robot! Ahah you wished, my powerful gun smashes it to pieces! Oh yeah? Surprise I have a hidden sphere I pulled from the robot's ass! Oh yeah? my ship is gonna football it! Surprise my sphere TRAVELS THROUGH TIME ahahah you didn't see that comin! Oh yeah? My ship will follow you and blow you to pieces! Oh yeah?

By the time they change their plans by the fifth or sixth time, I've already checked out from the movie.

...

Yeah, no, I don't see a single instance of an "unjustified turn" in this movie. Or, for that matter, any real change of plans.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Luis Dias on June 04, 2019, 08:40:00 am
We'll just violently disagree about it forever then :D
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 04, 2019, 11:01:06 am
Yeaahhhhhhh.   I would split the FC thing but then there wouldn't be much picard left in the thread :lol:


Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Sandwich on June 13, 2019, 01:45:05 am
Yeaahhhhhhh.   I would split the FC thing but then there wouldn't be much picard left in the thread :lol:

Story of our forum. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Rhymes on July 20, 2019, 10:19:51 pm
New trailer dropped. Looks pretty cool.

Title: Re: Picard
Post by: TechnoD11 on July 20, 2019, 11:11:44 pm
New trailer dropped. Looks pretty cool.


This has the potential to be ****ing amazing. However I've seen Discovery so I'm doing my best to temper my expectations. Star Trek TNG is the first show I ever watched to completion, and Star Trek has been a huge part of my life growing up.

Please, CBS please. Don't **** this up.


Title: Re: Picard
Post by: The E on July 20, 2019, 11:18:12 pm
Internationally viewable version of the trailer:

Title: Re: Picard
Post by: mjn.mixael on July 20, 2019, 11:40:47 pm
I'm not mad at it
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Blake00 on July 21, 2019, 01:42:22 am
looks goooooooood
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: karajorma on July 21, 2019, 02:00:17 am
Well, I've been complaining for about 20 years that they should just make a Trek show set after TNG instead of constantly mining nostalgia with prequels and reboots. Since they don't have to worry about future events being set in stone that removes one major source of problems.

In Picard they also have a great lead character (unlike Discovery where they hobbled a good actress with an unlikeable character). So that's another plus.

BUT.....I have no faith that they can pull this off after seeing the total ****ing mess that Discovery was. Not all of Discovery's faults were caused by those two problems. Most were caused by ****ty writing.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Rhymes on July 21, 2019, 02:12:45 am
I would also argue that Discovery has been hobbled by a revolving door of creative leads that made it difficult for the team and the show to find a groove and settle into it. It's hard to write well when you're answering to completely different people at different times with different ideas of what the show should be. If the Picard team can pick an idea and stick to it I think they have a much better shot of making this series succeed.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: karajorma on July 21, 2019, 05:00:16 am
Red Letter Media pointed out that they have 21 producers. Watch the credits and count them. That's absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Cobra on July 21, 2019, 01:43:05 pm
I like how this looks. There's an interesting twist with what looks like the Borg kids from Voyager being in command of a pirate Borg cube. Seven of Nine seems to have had at least some of Annika Hansen resurface... or she's Seven of Nine but less Borg-y. And Data's fat because Spiner got fat. Not sure I like that aspect of the show.

Fat Data. Hmm.

Can androids get fat?
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: mjn.mixael on July 21, 2019, 01:52:06 pm
Can androids get fat?

It's part of becoming more human.  :lol:
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Cobra on July 21, 2019, 01:59:42 pm
It's part of becoming more human.  :lol:

B-4: dumb as hell, but had the ability to lose and gain wait, apparently.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Scourge of Ages on July 21, 2019, 02:16:38 pm
I am intrigued as well
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Buckshee Rounds on July 21, 2019, 03:24:41 pm
I'm hoping the over-the-top trailer music isn't indicative of Discovery-style melodrama.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 21, 2019, 04:09:40 pm
Internationally viewable version of the trailer:



Removed by uploader. 😭😭
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Nightmare on July 21, 2019, 05:01:44 pm
Removed by uploader. 😭😭

Bad omen
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Luis Dias on July 22, 2019, 11:13:21 am
This is giving me red alert signs everywhere. Picard? Data? Seven of Nine? The Borg? Another plot about saving the universe? Looks like a college-written pitch for a fan novel that every roomate will just laugh at its over-the-topness.

I like how Data looks though. Finally looking his actual age. The movies were a bit weird in that regard.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: The E on July 22, 2019, 11:46:48 am
This is giving me red alert signs everywhere. Picard? Data? Seven of Nine? The Borg? Another plot about saving the universe? Looks like a college-written pitch for a fan novel that every roomate will just laugh at its over-the-topness.

Oh no, they're reusing some of the best characters and plot lines! THE HORROR!
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Det. Bullock on July 22, 2019, 11:49:48 am
This is giving me red alert signs everywhere. Picard? Data? Seven of Nine? The Borg? Another plot about saving the universe? Looks like a college-written pitch for a fan novel that every roomate will just laugh at its over-the-topness.

Oh no, they're reusing some of the best characters and plot lines! THE HORROR!

There's Kurtzman behind the wheel, one might appreciate the nostalgia rush but if it's gonna be bolted on another Kurtzman plot like Discovery it's just a bit of spices on a meal that tastes like nothing.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Nightmare on July 22, 2019, 11:56:13 am
This is giving me red alert signs everywhere. Picard? Data? Seven of Nine? The Borg? Another plot about saving the universe? Looks like a college-written pitch for a fan novel that every roomate will just laugh at its over-the-topness.

Oh no, they're reusing some of the best characters and plot lines! THE HORROR!

Reusing all good characters is a reliable method to create both epic stories and epic fail stories.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: The E on July 22, 2019, 12:07:53 pm
What characters they're using and what plots they hint at tells us precisely nothing about the quality of the show.

Even Kurzman's involvement doesn't (With the usual disclaimer that I like Discovery a lot)
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Cobra on July 22, 2019, 01:52:12 pm
This is giving me red alert signs everywhere. Picard? Data? Seven of Nine? The Borg? Another plot about saving the universe? Looks like a college-written pitch for a fan novel that every roomate will just laugh at its over-the-topness.

I like how Data looks though. Finally looking his actual age. The movies were a bit weird in that regard.

1) Data's not supposed to age. He's not supposed to have an age. The movies were "a bit weird" because Spiner's age was actually accentuated by the makeup. Now he's bloated versus slim like he was in the TV show and first couple of TNG movies.
2) What do you mean "another" save the universe plot? Even in the books those are kind of rare.
3) Oh NO! Seven of Nine's back, shown to have grown since being freed from the Collective? GASP. The Borg, an ever-present threat in the galaxy that have been part of Star Trek for almost 40 years? A what-if scenario about a Borg cube not trying to assimilate the kitchen sink? THE HORROR.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 22, 2019, 02:05:22 pm
Jeri Ryan hasn't aged well 😭😭😭
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Nightmare on July 22, 2019, 02:10:24 pm
3) Oh NO! Seven of Nine's back, shown to have grown since being freed from the Collective? GASP. The Borg, an ever-present threat in the galaxy that have been part of Star Trek for almost 40 years? A what-if scenario about a Borg cube not trying to assimilate the kitchen sink? THE HORROR.

Is it set only after TNG or after VOY as well? Presence of 7/9 says "yes" but the end of VOY was more like "no way".
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Cobra on July 22, 2019, 02:14:39 pm
Is it set only after TNG or after VOY as well? Presence of 7/9 says "yes" but the end of VOY was more like "no way".

VOY takes place during the TNG movie timeline, since Janeway is back in the Alpha Quadrant and promoted to admiral by the time Nemesis takes place.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Nightmare on July 22, 2019, 02:17:14 pm
Ah OK it's been a few years since I watched that~
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: karajorma on July 23, 2019, 01:54:23 am
VOY takes place during the TNG movie timeline, since Janeway is back in the Alpha Quadrant and promoted to admiral by the time Nemesis takes place.

You have to wonder if Picard quit Star Fleet when she was promoted to Admiral and he had to stay a captain. Cause I know that would be the point I'd realise my career wasn't going to advance! They probably only promoted him to admiral in the hope they could Kirk him back down to Captain.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Luis Dias on July 23, 2019, 06:17:00 am
Some misconceptions about my comments.

First, by Data showing his age, I mean he looks less "aged" than in the movies. As Cobra correctly puts it, he shouldn't age at all, but I get the point about the slimness.

Second, my red flags are about how the show seems more interested in doing a list of "star trek top hits" rather than a good sci fi story. I don't mind watching Seven of Nine again, she was the best thing about Voyager after all (perhaps excepting Mulgrew), and I have to disagree with Dekker, Ryan is just fine!

Problem is, I have seen all of these "hits" before, multiple times (what can go wrong by doing the Voyager gag of milking the Borg again) and the new "stuff" just seems boring and irrelevant.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: karajorma on July 23, 2019, 10:27:54 am
Now he's bloated versus slim like he was in the TV show and first couple of TNG movies.

They can just say he needed more space for extra RAM. :p
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 23, 2019, 11:31:37 am
Wasted a good bloatware opportunity there...
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Blake00 on July 26, 2019, 07:41:23 am
Just found this trailer analysis by Trek Central. Looks like they going with post apocalypse (the controversial supernova event) Romulan's experimenting with Borg technology presumably to try and regain some lost power. Gotta love the lab sign saying 5,843 days without assimilation lol! Looks like they have control of a cube too. Considering Romulan's and Borg were my favourite villains from TNG this pleases me greatly.

(notice how they slimmed data in their thumbnail? now he looks about right haha)

Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Trivial Psychic on July 26, 2019, 04:22:33 pm
I'm surprised they aren't gonna try to use the same cgi de-aging technology on Brent Spiner that was used on Samuel L Jackson for Captain Marvel... that was seamless.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Black Wolf on July 28, 2019, 10:49:01 pm
Jeri Ryan hasn't aged well 😭😭😭

She's over 50 and she's had a couple of kids. She's aged kinda amazingly really.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 29, 2019, 02:11:54 am
I'm just making it easier on myself to let her go 😭😭
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Blake00 on August 10, 2019, 01:35:16 am
Oooooh looks like Robert Picardo, the EMH Doctor from Voyager might be in Star Trek Picard too. God this show opens up so many cool things for not just TNG fans but Voyager and DS9 fans too! :)

Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 10, 2019, 03:32:27 am
He's in anything he can get and has less range than a rubber band gun.

I do like him though 😂😂
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Blake00 on October 05, 2019, 09:21:38 pm
RED ALERT! We've got another new trailer. The beard is back! The old uniforms make a cameo! 7 or 9 is doing her Ronin thing. And we introduce the most hated admiral in Star Trek history haha!

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Title: Re: Picard
Post by: mjn.mixael on October 05, 2019, 11:24:09 pm
Boy that sure is a lot of shooting and explosions.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Trivial Psychic on October 05, 2019, 11:56:28 pm
You know whose story has never been fully resolved in Next Gen... Commander Sela.  If this takes place post-Romulus-destruction, she could be out for blood... if she's still alive.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Buckshee Rounds on October 06, 2019, 05:21:12 am
Boy that sure is a lot of shooting and explosions.

The quantity of shooting and explosions are the gauge by which you measure the worth of the series, it's a central theme of Star Trek and always has been.

Said noone. Ever.
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Sandwich on October 06, 2019, 01:02:43 pm
Ok, I'll confess—I'm totally a glutton for the fan-service of bringing in as many of the old characters as possible. I was literally going "Aww!" for those final scenes. ;)
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Nightmare on October 06, 2019, 02:00:12 pm
Yeah, aside super huge explosions a decent amount of Fanservice is needed in NuST to win people for The Plot. ;)
Title: Re: Picard
Post by: Luis Dias on October 07, 2019, 09:11:42 am
Picard is a ninja swordsman now, get'em Jean Luc!