Hard Light Productions Forums
Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sandwich on June 30, 2020, 03:22:59 pm
-
Sounds highly unlikely, and is probably mostly wishful thinking, but...
https://cosmicbook.news/disney-resetting-star-wars-erasing-last-jedi
Here's hoping that if this is true, they go ahead with what they should have done in the first place and make Ep 7-9 from the Thrawn Trilogy.
My pick for ROTJ+5-era Luke: The Winter Soldier himself, Sebastian Stan.
Leia could be any number of actresses, but the one that stands out to me for sheer likeness to young Carrie Fisher is Maggie Gyllenhaal.
As for Han, Guy Pearce's performance in Lockout (2012) convinced me he could do a superb job.
-
Why do we need a thread for a bull**** rumor circulated by a third rate website from a third-rate chud of a youtuber? We get it, you don't like The Last Jedi. Move on.
-
Good Lord. Way to strike up the conversation, there.
-
Ok, well I'll start then.
I saw that article. Thought the same thing about the website that posted it. On the other hand, the actual source of the information has been credible before.. so who knows.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me that Disney is doing something to try and save their $4 billion purchase. Let's remember that when they bought the franchise they boasted at least one Star Wars movie every year until the end of time. And it was a boast. They were very proud of themselves. Cut to now and the trend-line for box office profits is downward and the fanbase is split. In addition it's common knowledge (and backed up by data) that the toys are not selling and haven't been for years. The new toys for the new characters did nothing to help that trend line either.
The claims of the article that they are going to use a sci-fi thing introduced in a tv show that lay-audiences haven't seen seems a little far-fetched... I honestly think it's more likely they'll quietly displace Kennedy and just move on, possibly to Star Wars being a Disney+ tv show affair for a while. I know there's supposedly other films in the works, but everything Star Wars has been in limbo ever since the TLJ drama and ROS did nothing to patch that all back together. The film is one measure shy of being a sci-fi laughing stock either because it's so absurd or because of what it does to TLJ.
-
Well... companies will milk SW until it's dead. Double ****ing dead.
Maybe Disney won't be the last owner of the franchise anyway. Perhabs some Chinese company could buy it; and the OT gets rebooted with the rebel army being actual communists fighting the evil empire, Luke does his training by reading a red book with the spirit of their surpreme leader giving everyone who believes in him superpowers.
-
I saw that article. Thought the same thing about the website that posted it. On the other hand, the actual source of the information has been credible before.. so who knows.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me that Disney is doing something to try and save their $4 billion purchase.
Big same. It would make a lot of sense to just... pretend the sequel trilogy didn't happen. Or maybe did, or would, or could or whatever, but that it's completely irrelevant to whatever stories they want to tell.
Giving new movies to somebody actually creative and competent, who could actually tell a good, consistent, and maybe even fresh story would really relight my interest in the things. And if they have any really cool spaceship designs, I could be persuaded to part with some merch money.
-
Star Wars doesn't have a single "broken keel" that explains why it might have peaked in relevance and appeal; and the people in charge seems to know so too, overwise they wouldn't be going ahead with different directions across all the media they are still making.
Well... companies will milk SW until it's dead. Double ****ing dead.
Uhm, that is the genesis of much of Star Wars' pop-cultural relevance -- let's not forget that merchandising is one of the foundational aspects of the Star Wars-brand, going all the way back to the Kenner toys. The oversaturation that came with the prequels might have tuned people against it, but it was not a new thing then.
-
That article is one of the most profoundly stupid ass-pull theories I've ever read.
Oh and the comments are full of misogynist incels *****ing about **** they don't understand, so as always, don't even touch them.
-
Nobody actually likes Star Wars do they
-
Nobody actually likes Star Wars do they
this is news?
-
I think that the past two decades' worth of Star Wars has shown once and for all that fandoms have no ****ing idea what they actually want.
-
Nobody actually likes Star Wars do they
I like slave leia.
-
hmm
interesting article, that
hits every checkbox on the "bad movie opinions for beginners" tree; including: "Brie Larson is bad and I don't like her", "Kathleen Kennedy is bad and I don't like her", "Here's some unsubstantiated bull**** I think is a connection between this movie and this semi-obscure tie-in" and "They're definitely going to use that to make all my dreams come true".
And the source for all that? A person going by the handle "Doomcock Overlord", whose greatest scoop and claim to having inside info is..... something he cribbed off of a Star Wars leaks subreddit.
Meanwhile, out in the real world, the films alone were quite a bit more profitable under Disney than they were under Lucas; Sure, the tie-in market kinda burned down, but there's quite a few external factors that play into that.
It's quite clear that the grand "one Star Wars movie per year" plan completely failed to take off; I think mjn is right in assuming that they're going to make new Star Wars stuff in the form of Disney+ series for a while until everyone has calmed down a bit.
I think that the past two decades' worth of Star Wars has shown once and for all that fandoms have no ****ing idea what they actually want.
Also this.
-
The reason why I think this might be plausible is—as some of you have pointed out—because of the merchandise. Truly good Star Wars content (The Mandalorian; The Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels) seems to be far more popular with tie-in (note: not to be confused with the TIE/IN (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/TIE/IN_interceptor)) merch than any sequel-related content has. Not to mention the general reception of those shows vs the movies.
Disney isn't stupid; they won't keep beating a dead horse. It's just that in the film industry, the cycle of action-reaction-re-reaction takes many years to complete. Movies are in production for years (writing, casting, filming, editing, etc) before the public sees anything more than a trailer. If they've passed a certain point in the production of a movie, it may not make any sense to cancel it even if they predict it will be badly received—it's all about ROI.
It may not seem like they're reacting to the fans' likes and dislikes, but give it time.
-
It may not seem like they're reacting to the fans' likes and dislikes, but give it time.
:rolleyes:
Enjoy your perfectly bland, inoffensive Star Wars-branded sludge, I guess? Cos that's the end result of listening to a fanbase as riddled with morons as the Star Wars one is.
-
As far as I'm concerned any fandom that thinks RoS is a better film than TLJ (flawed as it is) or that the plot hooks in TFA were ever going to pan out into anything worth watching can keep the entire thing. The problem with the Star Wars films is that they haven't got any idea what to do with them beyond that they should have them and that they should make money.
If they want to do something interesting with the franchise (like The Mandalorian for instance) then I'll watch it. But if they're going to listen to the fans, I'm certainly never going to pay money to watch the kind of rubbish that will produce. And if you disagree with me, imagine what a load of ****e The Mandalorian would have been if the fans had a chance. "Well, it has to be about Boba Fett!" "And it has to have characters from the films in it!"
-
Or Clone Wars, for that matter. Everybody and their goddamn mother loves Ahsoka Tano now and I remember how much absolute screaming there was about the character when the pilot movie hit theaters. Now every time she shows up all the fans cheer (I mean, so do I, she's great) but if you said that back in 2008 you'd have gotten pilloried by the fandom.
-
Have been following this, we can hope it turns out to be true, but it seems very difficult... Not impossible of course: lots of franchises have decanonised movies in various ways, either with time travel (X Men, Terminator, Star Trek) or by just choosing to ignore the films they don't like (Superman, I believe RoboCop and Cloverfield are getting this treatment as well). So it wouldn't be unprecedented. But harder to do so soon, and in such a high profile way.
I think the vastly more likely outcome is that they just sort of ignore the entire sequel era for the foreseeable future, focus on the imperial era, the distant past or the immediate aftermath of Endor. That's already happening: think about the projects they've announced or released lately: the Disney+ series are Cassian, Obi Wan and Mandalorian, none of which will touch the sequel era proper. Jedi Fallen Order was Imperial era, Squadrons is going to be imperial era, this High Republic thing is Republic era. Resistance was cancelled, all the upcoming comics and all but one of the upcoming books are non-sequel except the RoS adaptation and an anthology or two of released material. And this is all, what, less than six months after the last movie came out? They're pretty clearly not pushing them very hard at the absolute least.
So, I guess I live in hope but expect little.
-
Rather then turning this into another whole discussion wrt the sequels (which, for starters, I can't participate in since I haven't seen Rise of Skywalker yet oops*), the whole notion of them just making the sequels irrellevant when these sequels totally succeeded in the goal of making them money and in fact continue to make money for them through various ways is a bit dumb. I'm not surprised that it blew up the way it did, becuase Star Wars fans don't actually like Star Wars they just like being salty nerds.
Mandalorian is pretty good though. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney pivoted more to making stuff like that.
* Also Rae in TFA is hardly as capable as Luke all her ship abilities are explained by her working for an used starship dealer who has owned the millenium falcon for the past 20 years and all she does in the second part of the film is to get captured and then succesfully managing to run away with the help of Finn, Han and Chewie rather then Luke who one-shots the most powerful battle station ever constructed becuase he just happens to learn space magic at the right time CHANGE MY MIND
-
"we can hope", he says.
All you can reasonably hope for at this point is your regular serving of bland extruded Star Wars product, now that Disney seems convinced that using Star Wars to tell actual stories is a bad idea.
-
Sorry for screaming but:
STOP LINKING BULL****
They kept the prequels in continuity even with all the vitriol thrown at them, the actors that starred in it and Lucas himself, they have no reason not to just wait out a few years and keep the sequels.
And the "pretty reliable" guy has posted countless bull**** over the years, that he got something right doesn't make him credible.
-
You're free to hope too, I guess? I thought Solo was OK, liked TFA in the theatre, and Rogue One is legitimately my favourite Star Wars movie. I found basically nothing to like in TLJ, and very little in Rise. Largely those are story problems, but also filmmaking problems; I think the ship design and to a lesser extent the creature design have both been very patchy in the new movies. Some of my biggestbproblems though are sticking within the established rules of the universe and telling a coherent story from movie to movie, which kind of float between both.
So yeah, we can hope. What I am hoping for is a Star Wars universe that hasn't been written into a boring and frankly nonsensical dead end after Endor. For a filmmaking ethos that values the things I and millions of others have valued in Star Wars for twenty or thirty years now. And for character arcs that make sense even when different filmmakers are handling the characters.
Disney haven't universallyade trash. As I said, Rogue One is great, Solo is okay. But if you honestly think that the Mandalorian and the Siege of Mandalore arc on Clone Wars are "bland extruded Star Wars product", then maybe it's not the franchise for you?
-
And the source for all that? A person going by the handle "Doomcock Overlord"...
Surely you jest.
*clicks link*
:wakka:
-
As far as I'm concerned any fandom that thinks [...] the plot hooks in TFA were ever going to pan out [...]
I'd say these people simply don't know J.J. Abrams, or his breakout project LOST :P
-
As far as I'm concerned any fandom that thinks [...] the plot hooks in TFA were ever going to pan out [...]
I'd say these people simply don't know J.J. Abrams, or his breakout project LOST :P
Abrams is a TV series guy at heart and as such thinks he can hint at mysteries and then have plenty of time to make up explanantions that make sense in the course of the series.
You cannot do that in a series of three two-hour movies.
There was no way to make up a simple explanation of why Luke wasn't there in the time of need while at the same time keeping his character saintly pure so Johnson went with the dark side relapse and sense of guilt coming from that because it's a simple explanation. Just look at that mess of the return of the Emperor, even if I disagree with the basic idea itself it's the kind of thing that could have worked with an entire TV series season worth of teasing and foreshadowing but when you drop a bomb like that out of nowhere in the first ten minutes of a movie it just doesn't work and Abrams doesn't understand that.
There is a similar case with the convoluted time travel plot of his Star Trek movie and like Palpy's return is both a uselessly convoluted plot device and an attempt to push nostalgia buttons by having an actor of the franchise original installments on screen.
-
*opens up thread, reads first post, thinks "This is coming from someone on Midnight's Edge or some friends of theirs right"
* opens link, sees "Doomcock" in the text
* shuts down everything, his worldview confirmed as the predictable **** it has always been
e: Having read the thread, I have to both agree with The_E and Mongoose about what the fandom really wants, but goddamn it would be so simple. Just have someone like Lucas write the "worldbuilding" part of the story, something he actually did alright in the prequels (and probably why the spinoffs like Clone Wars and Rebels are so goddamed good, there was some template onto which they could write stuff), and then ask some of these sequel folks how to write interesting characters, and then get some actual good writer that actually writes good arcs for those characters.
I know, I know, I may be basically pitching for that "dreaded" Rian Johnson trilogy never to be made, but that ain't my fault!
-
I think one major reason why the sequel trilogy (and especially TRoS) was so unsatisfying for me was because of the decision to let each of the three individual directors of each movie has full creative control of their respective movies without even bothering to make a full outline of the plot of the whole trilogy. Seriously? You're going to set out to tell an epic story encompassing three movies each costing hundreds of millions of dollars (to say nothing of the marketing costs), hundreds of thousands of man-hours by the cast and crew, and betting the reactions of a fanbase consisting or literally millions of people and trust the plot of this story to the method of chain-mail writing?
That is completely absurd.
The only stuff I've seen of J.J. Abrams is the 2009 Star Trek, TFA, and TRoS, all of which had severe storytelling flaws that could have and (in the case of TRoS) did ruin their stories for me. I haven't seen any of his other works, but what I did see decidedly did not impress me as to his storytelling skills. I left the theater disappointed in TFA, because I thought it was too much of a rehash of A New Hope. Though I do have to admit that after repeated viewings of TFA at home, it began to grow on me. TLJ had its issues, but I honestly thought it was a better story than TFA simply because it refused to be a rehash of The Empire Strikes Back. Say what you will about TLJ, but at least it seemed like a fresh story, especially with the theme that it's your actions, not your bloodline, that define who you are. But TRoS seemed like a fundamental F-U from Abrams to Johnson from the scene where we see First Order TIE fighters hyperspace-skipping after the Millenium Falcon (something that TLJ established could only be done by large Star Destroyer-sized ships because of the bulky computing power needed for the tracking machines), to retconning Rey being a "nobody" and instead making her Palpatine's granddaughter (and thus begging the question of whether Palpatine doinked some random woman to get her pregnant with his son before or after (*shudder*) he got his face melted by Mace Windu), and all the way to the climax of the movie where Rey managed to defeat Palpatine's Force Lightning, something that Windu couldn't manage without getting thrown through a hundred-story window, simply because she had an extra lightsaber.
So that's the culmination of the Star Wars Saga: "If you want to take on a Sith Lord and win, make sure you have a backup weapon"? That's something that virtually every gamer learns from their first RPG session! That's hardly the stuff of epics.
As for whether or not the sequel trilogy get "decanonized" or whatever, the whole thing strikes me as utterly irrelevant. The movies are out there now. They're made and can't be unmade. Even if "Overlord Doomcock" (gawds, only someone as pathetic and misogynistic as an incel could give himself such a nickname) or whoever manages to get Disney to somehow "decanonize" the ST, all it will effectively do is start a bunch of useless flame wars arguing about "head canon" and which Star Wars stories do and do not (or should and should not) qualify as "official canon." I've always found such arguments as useless and pointless. And even if the ST is decanonized, what then? It's not like Disney is going to set out to somehow retell the "real" ending of the Skywalker Saga. Carrie Fisher is dead so Princess Leia is not going to appear in any future Star Wars stories. I don't know about Harrison Ford reprising his role as Han Solo after TRoS had him appear as...what? A (non-Force) ghost? A hallucination? A guilt-induced delusion that could be seen only by Kylo Ren? From what I can see, it would just be too impractical for a number of reasons for any retelling and/or retcon of the Sequel Trilogy. There's no way to Verbal Backspace the Sequel Trilogy; it's out now and will always be there.
As for the Rian Johnson trilogy, if it ever does come out, at least it will have only one person at the helm and can at least have the benefit of a single author creating its plot, instead of the cluster f*ck of having multiple authors f*cking it up by not even outlining the story.
-
The only stuff I've seen of J.J. Abrams is the 2009 Star Trek, TFA, and TRoS, all of which had severe storytelling flaws that could have and (in the case of TRoS) did ruin their stories for me. I haven't seen any of his other works, but what I did see decidedly did not impress me as to his storytelling skills.
Pretty OT, but Mission: Impossible III was awesome. Granted, I've always held that a great movie needs a great antagonist, and the late Philip Seymour Hoffman had what it took in spades. But still...