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Re: Ace Combat 7 - All the strangereal please
We're talking a difference of degrees I think. In the failure debriefs of FS2, Command always whines about how the entire war effort grinds to a halt after your one failure, so while Alpha 1, you're right, doesn't get the credit, he is indispensable.

Of course the player is expected to do the heavy lifting when it comes to combat, the same can be said in FS2 where for 99% of missions, you can frag or order home your own wingmen in order to hog all the kills and glory. And while there are a few missions that "require" capital ships, the same can be said for allied superweapons or bombers/ground forces that show up in the AC games.

My point is that both games do a good job of involving you in a large scale conflict which is immersive, how immersive it is is up to the player. But I don't think it's right to say, in the story of AC, the player does literally ALL the work in context of the story. The only game that's true in is AC4, where Mobius 1 is equated with the strike power of an entire air wing. 

 

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Princess looks pretty kawaii

We're talking a difference of degrees I think. In the failure debriefs of FS2, Command always whines about how the entire war effort grinds to a halt after your one failure, so while Alpha 1, you're right, doesn't get the credit, he is indispensable.
The first FS2 mission failure debriefing is hilarious in this regard.

"As officers of the GTVA, we have sworn to protect all citizens of the Alliance. The destruction of both Iota transports is a travesty, pilot. You have disgraced the 53rd Hammerheads, and I will recommend your immediate discharge from the fighter corps.

The Alliance's offensive is now in shambles. Only 25 percent of the Vasudan refugees have been recovered, while the NTF continues to massacre thousands without mercy.

Command reports we have lost the GTD Aeneas, the GTC Coriolanus, and the GVC Mirage. Our efforts to blockade the Alpha Centauri and Sirius jump nodes have failed. The Security Council will order the fleet to withdraw from Deneb and negotiate terms with the NTF."


The GTVA literally collapses when Alpha 1 fails to escort a few Vasudan refugees
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Arthur C Clarke...

This is obviously the The Fountains of Paradise screenplay adapted for Michael Bay.
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I think the better question is, who is translating this and why they are always choosing the most anime translation possible
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Well, judging by the last trailer and its Japanese version(which was basically just the international version with subtitles) this was probably written in Japan in English then quickly sent off for voicing, I doubt the lines from this trailer are the final takes.
Or it could've been written in Japanese then fast-translated just for the trailer, in any case I doubt this went through proper localisation.
So that would explain why it sounds so... anime.
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Go dance with the angels.

AC7 is just following traditions here.

I think the better question is, who is translating this and why they are always choosing the most anime translation possible

What's an 'anime translation'?
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Who are "THEY"?! Is it THAT GROUP? Are they, behind EVERYTHING?

There was a lot of that with the Greyman group. You have other things like pilots debating war and pacifism during combat missions, Hamilton's nonsensical heel turn tc.

I personally love the AC ham factor, but it is ultra-max anime when it comes to story and characters. AC5 is the best example.

 

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That's just japanese writing in general though, have you guys ever seen any of their live action movies? In addition to ham writing, they go full ham with the acting too. Happens in a lot of their games too. It's not an anime specific thing.
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Well, judging by the last trailer and its Japanese version(which was basically just the international version with subtitles) this was probably written in Japan in English then quickly sent off for voicing, I doubt the lines from this trailer are the final takes.
Or it could've been written in Japanese then fast-translated just for the trailer, in any case I doubt this went through proper localisation.
So that would explain why it sounds so... anime.
No see, this is just what you get when you take a japanese written script, and do a 'literal', accurate translation of it. The unfortunate sideeffect of this being, that you get these slightly odd sounding english phrases, and sentence structures. In the defense of the localization team, they are just doing their job properly, they translated a ****ty hammy japanese script. It's not their job to rewrite the script, add in BP style military jargon, or to change riceballs into hamburgers.
That's just the way AC is written, and for better or worse, its also part of its charm.

Japanese has these quirks that sound downright odd when you take the script to english. For example:
Person A: "We have to intercept the meteor before it impacts with earth!"
Person B: "Intercept the meteor?"
It's a common thing Japanese do, to make sure everyone involved in the conversation is on the same page.
Which results in:

And it's not that the Japanese are somehow incapable of writing good scripts, but the game/anime industry has a strong tendency to reach for the 'safe' style of writing (ergo, common japanese cliche's and tropes). Especially when it comes to character interaction. If I had a euro for ever time I had to suffer through yet another character doing his cookie cutter "tomodachi mamorimasu" speech or a stoich soldier declaring he's going to return to his hometown after this... I'd probably have some degree of money now. To what degree I don't know, but it'd be some degree. Of money. Yeah.
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Oh yeah, and in the case of AC and Metal Gear and a few others, I love all of the melodrama and more.

 

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I'm not going to say FromSoftware has always been a paragon of writing but for quite a while they've done well with having less hammy dialogue. Not necessarily amazingly written but less over the top than a lot of other Japanese studios. From their older games I'd say Chromehounds is probably the best example of that. It's got its fair share of weird lines and you can tell it's written by a Japanese studio but it doesn't have quite the same ridiculousness found in a lot of Japanese games.

Now I'll also bring up that FromSoftware has long had the weird habit of only having English voice acting in their games and that may have something to do with it.
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No see, this is just what you get when you take a japanese written script, and do a 'literal', accurate translation of it. The unfortunate sideeffect of this being, that you get these slightly odd sounding english phrases, and sentence structures. In the defense of the localization team, they are just doing their job properly, they translated a ****ty hammy japanese script. It's not their job to rewrite the script, add in BP style military jargon, or to change riceballs into hamburgers.
That's just the way AC is written, and for better or worse, its also part of its charm.

I agree that the not-entirely-natural lines are part of AC's charm by now, but I disagree that translation must be literal; I'd much prefer translations that keep the meaning and tone intact while using naturalistic language.
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I agree that the not-entirely-natural lines are part of AC's charm by now, but I disagree that translation must be literal; I'd much prefer translations that keep the meaning and tone intact while using naturalistic language.
Well that's an age old debate, in which there is no real right or wrong, only preferences. Translation is more of an art than a science.
Ideally yes, the translation is as natural sounding while keeping meaning and tone intact. But I've personally seen a few too many 'liberal translations', in which they're more concerned in making things sound natural to a western(american) audience, that they just completely fail to properly translate the more subtle intentions and meanings of the japanese language (Or in the case of subtitles, they sometimes just straight up add bad jokes in subtitles that are not actually being said by the jp voice acting.  :blah:). Which results in characters just completely changing personalities between a western and japanese release.

Then again, it also kind of depends on the type of game, on a case by case senario. Character interaction heavy games such as RPG's should imo be as accurately translated as possible.
Though amusingly enough, with a game like AC, I'd actually be a lot more lenient with my opinion, if they actually did end up doing a far more liberal, natural sounding translation/dub. It's not a game where character interaction is really deep, plentiful and meaningful. And it'd be hard to ruin the overal storyline these games have going too. And some more military style writing would probably do its immersion good.
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Well, with translation you'll usually have subtitles as the more literal and dubs as the more liberal translation. Things that sound really creepy and wrong when said can be completely fine when read, especially when accompanied by voice clips in a different language, I think it helps your brain get around the weird phrases. This is sometimes used in Horror games where they intentionally translate it all wrong to weird people out and set the mood.
In the PS2 era it was very uncommon to even have the JP + sub option in games, but since it's commonplace now dubs can go for a more liberal style without angering the purists, who probably won't even care about the dub.

As someone who consumes a probably unhealthy amount of anime I've seen way too many extremes on both ends. Fansubbers are often massive weebs whose translations only seem English on the surface while big licensors often goo too far with localisation. Though usually if the spoken language is English I'd prefer slight inaccuracies to language-butchering. Seriously, I never want to hear phrases like "lend me your strength"(in the context of helping someone, not DBZ style energy transfer) or "I shall be your opponent" in spoken English again, they just don't belong.

AC is mostly fine but at times it sounds like someone hired professional VAs to read fansubs.
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If this was reddit or some other degenerate site with an upvote system, I would have upvoted your post to show my agreement. You'll have to do with this ****ty post for now.
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