[Stealth]

Originally posted by gevatter Lars

I mean WarCraft 3 is quite good, but its not StarCraft.

i take it you like Starcraft then?

if so, want to play me?  i'm sick of playing games and getting BSed every time

[StratComm]

I think FPS uses first-person not as viewpoint but as your position within the game.  First or third person perspective, you are still supposed to be the character running around (as opposed to directing the action from a commander/omnipotent perspective where you are not getting shot at), you are the guy getting shot at, not the one ordering faceless guys to shoot each other.  Your health is still the primary concern (yes, killing guys doesn't do any good if it gets your character killed); who ever kept a ghost alive in Starcraft for longer than it took to drop the nuke anyway?  So yes, this game still competes with every other FPS on the market.  And it has been my experience that the 3rd person viewpoint generally leads to control problems, camera problems, or both, so my expectations are not very high.

[Admiral LSD]

I take it then, you've never played Metal Gear Solid? That would have to have one of the best control setups (for consoles at least) of any 3rd person game.

As for the whole expendable Ghost thing, thats part of the point of the game. I can't remember if I posted this link here or not so I'll post it again just to make sure:

http://www.piratecove.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=001214

Read that article (its original source is IGN btw) carefully, specifically this bit:

Guns are all fine and dandy, but the Ghost unit isn't really a head-on combatant, at least not when you're going against an Ultralisk. In many situations, Nova will have to rely on her wits and a variety of special abilities to make her way through the game. As a Ghost, you will be able to use many of the abilities from the RTS. In addition to boosting her strength, agility, and speed, Nova's Hostile Environment Suit (HES) has a cloaking device embedded in it that can be used to hide your position for a short period of time, which will of course be useful to hide from enemies in a pinch or sneak past an imposing guard. The Ghost lock down ability will come in handy when you're going up against any enemy vehicles as you can knock them out of commission. Also carried over from the RTS is Nova's ability to call in nuclear strikes on the battlefield, which will come in particularly handy if you're caught in the middle of a large-scale battle outdoors.

They acknowledge the fact that the Ghost isn't a "head-on combatant," to use their words, and are making the game around that.

I think FPS uses first-person not as viewpoint but as your position within the game. First or third person perspective, you are still supposed to be the character running around (as opposed to directing the action from a commander/omnipotent perspective where you are not getting shot at), you are the guy getting shot at, not the one ordering faceless guys to shoot each other.

By that logic, every game ever made is a first person game...

[Stryke 9]

Originally posted by Admiral LSD


From what I understand (and admittedly, it's not much) there is only one game in the same league as what they intend Ghost to be (and its the one reason I'm looking forward to it) and thats Metal Gear Solid. It isn't a first person game so it won't compete directly with any of the titles you mention.

And every play is intended to be King Lear, and every book is intended to be 1984 or As I lay Dying, and every movie is intended to be Apocalypse Now. Who wouldn't wanna compare themselves to the top in their field? Lovely intention, doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Doesn't even mean that the game isn't gonna suck thoroughly- just means it's gonna probably suck imitating another game, as opposed to possibly sucking by being creative.  I think it might tell you something that it's trying to AVOID competing in the quite rough FPS market- it's no doubt the biggest and most lucrative game genre in the world, and it's where the best graphics and toys start out. IF SC don't wanna compete, it might be because it can't.

In strats, sometimes the units are expendable- in many, they're not. In fact, SC was relatively hero-based in many respects- there were some units you absolutely weren't to let die. In shooters, everyone's expendable but the player, in all but a very few circumstances. Nothing new there.

The lack of "head-on combat" sounds suspiciously similar to the Thief clones.

And most games DON'T have any suggested risk to the player- forget all of the thousands of games which don't involve huge guns, look at strats, look at most of the Myst clones, look at nearly anything outside shooters.


We done now? Can we get to spamming yet?

[Admiral LSD]

Well, I'm going to wait until it gets a little closer to release before I decide whether or not to write it off. Of course, being a PC fanboy and feeling like you've been robbed of a game I can understand why you want to write it off so soon.

[Stryke 9]

Actually, I just like taking the piss out of silly games that are nonetheless hotly anticipated. It gives me that fulfilling sense of revenge for all the times people were duly unimpressed by E2160.

That, and I haven't been wrong yet, in a long history of reading between the lines in game ads.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by CP5670
I never really got into the original Starcraft (TA is better )

In general terms, I agree. Although I must say I liked Starcraft's story and 3 sided balance, TA was ahead in every other way. Speaking of which, I just saw TA repackaged in an "oldie-goldie" type-box in a computer store today for 25 shekels... 25/4.8 = $5.2. I'll probably pick it up, since my original discs are with a friend who I never see anymore...

As for Westwood's RTS'es, I have this to say: Dune 2 rocked for it's time, C&C rocked, period, RA was mediocre, Tib Sun sucked, RA2 was incredibly fun considering how "childish" the units looked, Dune 2000 - blah, Emperor rocks. Renegade is great fun, especially multiplayer, but the graphics suck.

Oh, one more thing. If I had seen this thread in the middle of Stryke and Venom's b*tch-slapping match, it would be closed. But I didn't, so consider it at HAMCON 3. Don't start again.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Sandwich


Oh, one more thing. If I had seen this thread in the middle of Stryke and Venom's b*tch-slapping match, it would be closed. But I didn't, so consider it at HAMCON 3. Don't start again.

Sandwich never fails in cracking me up

[Si|eNt(\/)inion]

i dont know about you peoples, but i got aleisn vs. predator 2 for my b-day and if you look at the protoss and their dreadlocks (like fenix when he walking through the hallway of the protoss temple or whatever) he looks kinda like a predator with his face and mask on...kinda weird....i thought i would post that here because you peeps were talking about starcraft....im just saying the dreads and the face....nothing more...really...