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Offline IceFire

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on: June 12, 2003, 01:58:43 pm
Hey people.

Ok...after a long wait on getting my new hardware, I've managed to get some time to put it all together.  Here's the new specs:

AMD Athlon 2700+ (FSB 333mhz - thats 166 core)
Asus A7N8X Deluxe mobo
512mb PC2700 RAM (Shikatronics)
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
SB Audigy
20GB WD Hard Drive (7200rpm - this guy is now a faithful 3 years in service)
Antec 660AMG case with Antec 330 watt powersupply

Here's the problem:

The system boots normally.  Processor detected as AMD Athlon 2700+.  All 512mb of the RAM is recognized.  Then the system looks for a RAID configuration.  Why its doing that I don't know but whenever I press the F4 for the setup options it doesn't seem to do anything.

On booting to Windows, the system stops, a blue screen flashes briefly, and the entire system resets.

So far I have swapped the video card (I've read that Radeons tend to need the AGP drivers to work sometimes) but that doesn't help at all.  The GeForce 2 GTS (another 3 year old part) has the same problem.

Looking for further suggestions.

All fans spin normally, temperature of the mobo is about 25-27c...temp of the sensor directly under the chip is about 38-40c (which I've read is normal seeing as this is the absolute hottest place on the entire chip).

I'm at a loss.
- IceFire
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Offline kasperl

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Reply #1 on: June 12, 2003, 02:13:32 pm
try it with a floppy boot, and then see what happens.
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Offline DragonClaw

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Reply #2 on: June 12, 2003, 02:16:01 pm
On my motherboard, when I press the numpad delete (.) it brings up the setup, might be the same way with yours.

Anyway, its probably got something to do with the RAID problem... RAID setups use hard drive space for some reason or other on making it go faster(I don't have much experience with them and I'm not even going to try explaining it), so it might be trying to use hard drive space it doesn't have... So, if its trying to detect RAID and it never did before, you'll most likely have to turn it off manually. The only reason I'd see why it would detect for RAID though, if it hasn't before, is if you got a new motherboard...
 

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Reply #3 on: June 12, 2003, 02:18:45 pm
It'll boot with and without CD support on a floppy disk.  Even the Windows XP CD will boot normally.  I don't want to have to reinstall windows (and preferably format) if I don't have to.

Good suggestion on the RAID issue.  Each time it boots up its looking for 1st and 2nd channels and I don't have a RAID config nor a SATA RAID config which its also looking for....hrmmm....

Yup, its a new mobo.  Most of its new (except the Audigy and the Hard Drive).
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Offline kasperl

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Reply #4 on: June 12, 2003, 02:25:27 pm
do you have any other spare HD's lying around?

you might just try and see if it is the HD or something on it.

perhaps just reading the manual on the mobo might give you a clue.
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Reply #5 on: June 12, 2003, 02:29:46 pm
Or you could try putting your old motherboard in and see if its a RAID-detecting problem...
 

Offline IceFire

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Reply #6 on: June 12, 2003, 02:30:14 pm
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Originally posted by kasperl
do you have any other spare HD's lying around?

you might just try and see if it is the HD or something on it.

perhaps just reading the manual on the mobo might give you a clue.

Plenty but I don't follow the reasoning.  The HD appears to be workin fine.  It auto detects fine, I can read from it with a booted floppy disk.  FDISK acknowledges the partition.

I also just disabled the SATA and that didn't seem to have any effect.

Thanks for the help so far...keep it coming!
- IceFire
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Offline kasperl

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Reply #7 on: June 12, 2003, 02:37:32 pm
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Or you could try putting your old motherboard in and see if its a RAID-detecting problem...


that would be my next suggestion.

basicly, keep switching parts of it, even if  there is no chance in hell that it is connected to your problem, just switch them one by one, and see when it works. easiest way to really locate the problem.
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Reply #8 on: June 12, 2003, 03:34:48 pm
Your current win install is still configured for your old system, which is probably causing some problems. Try booting up windows in safe mode and see what happens.

As you have done a major upgrade, you should really do a format/reinstall to get the most performance out of it. At times like this, it is good to have partitioned the hdd.

I have 2 partitiones for windows. The current working install and the old install. Handy if you forget to back somehting  up (I always intend to format the old_system partition, but never seem to get around to it :o ).
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Reply #9 on: June 12, 2003, 04:01:25 pm
Currently in the process of reformatting and reinstalling windows.  I was just hopping that I'd at least be able to get the system running under the current version.  Alas, I had to disassemble another computer and toss the HD in there for backing stuff up but hey...this is part of the fun :)

Swapping mobo's isn't really going to help because that changes 90% of the system anyways.  Going from Intel PIII 733 to AMD 2700+ is a bit of a change :)

Safe mode would not boot.  Same problem.  Blue screened.  HOPEFULLY, cross my fingers 1000 times....the reformat and install will do the trick and it was just conflicting drivers and that sort of thing.

Thanks for the help so far.  If something strikes you, feel free to post.  I'll let everyone know when/if I get it working :D
- IceFire
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Reply #10 on: June 12, 2003, 05:47:03 pm
You might have to disable a setting or two in the bios.  That is all I can think of, or did you use to have a ultra dma card in your old machine?
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Reply #11 on: June 12, 2003, 05:58:45 pm
Got it running!  She's purring like a kitten now! (I keep my fingers crossed just incase :D)

Thanks for the help!
- IceFire
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Offline DragonClaw

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Reply #12 on: June 12, 2003, 06:07:29 pm
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Originally posted by IceFire
She's purring like a kitten now! (I keep my fingers crossed just incase :D)


:lol: I don't like that phrase, purring like a kitten... cats are evil! I swear, those things hate humans. If I had a cat in my home I would personally take it by the tail and throw it in the lake near me and drown it... Thats why dogs chase cats, because dogs know they are eviiil :p
 

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Reply #13 on: June 12, 2003, 06:48:41 pm
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Your current win install is still configured for your old system, which is probably causing some problems. Try booting up windows in safe mode and see what happens.

As you have done a major upgrade, you should really do a format/reinstall to get the most performance out of it. At times like this, it is good to have partitioned the hdd.

I have 2 partitiones for windows. The current working install and the old install. Handy if you forget to back somehting  up (I always intend to format the old_system partition, but never seem to get around to it :o ).


I was making a post almost identical to this... but you've already fixed it so... until next time... :p
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Reply #14 on: June 12, 2003, 10:20:32 pm
Yeah...things are going fairly well now.  I don't like to jinx it...but I just tried C&C Generals...and I cannot believe the speed, the smoothness, the detail!  WOW!
- IceFire
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Reply #15 on: June 12, 2003, 11:07:38 pm
Lesson of the day: ALWAYS reformat and reinstall Windows when performing something as major as a motherboard upgrade.
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Reply #16 on: June 13, 2003, 07:48:45 am
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Lesson of the day: ALWAYS reformat and reinstall Windows when performing something as major as a motherboard upgrade.

I suppose I was silly to assume the damn thing would at least boot up so I could do a bit of work before reformatting.  I appologize for overestimating Windows :D
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