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Offline Flipside

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LOL Heck, if a design works, why change it? ;) It's not as if it's an aesthetics contest.

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Offline IceFire

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Lets dispell some rumors.

1) Flying wings were in development with various companies both in the US and in Germany before the war started.  Although the Germans made significant strides, the concept that one country borrowed the idea from the other doesn't entirely ring true.  Collaboration of general principles long before the war started may be true...but in this instance US technology didn't gain anything from German flying wings.  

The V-2 rockets and whatnot were intently studied by both Russians and Americans and that did eventually lead to the Apollo missions.

2) It'd be very hard to say that the F-15 and the Su-27 and its varients were copies of each other (the 27 being a copy of the 15 is the implication).  If you look at the development history of the aircraft its much easier to notice that the Su-27's evolution from drawingboard to finished product borrowed only the concept of heavy and light fighter from the Americans (the MiG-29 being the light and the Su-27 being the heavy countering the light F-16 and the heavy F-15).  Undoubtedly, F-15 designs were influenced just as much by the MiG-25 as the Su-27 was influenced by the F-15.  In terms of performance, the Su-27 is much (much!) more manuverable while the F-15 is faster.  Hardly a copy.

3) The B-29 was indeed copied under orders from Stalin.  I think it was called the Tu-4.  It was copied, rivet for rivet, on the B-29's design using parts that had been captured and aquired during the war (ie. crashed wrecks).

So there :)

Point overall being that most designs, although influenced by competing designs, are not generally exact copies (except in the Tu-4/B-29 case).  Most of the time, the concepts are either the correct ones and/or are moderatly influenced because of the competing design.

The F-86 Sabre is not a copy of the MiG-15 but when swept wings proved useful on the MiG, efforts were made to ensure that the Sabre would have that too.
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Offline Eviscerator

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Originally posted by StratComm
The Wright borthers' innovation was less in the airframe of their planes than in the way they powered them... gliders were already fairly widely known at the time so the basic fixed-wing lift principles were already in place.  It was the engine and propellor system that was finally settled on that was a first, and the Wright brothers came up with that entirely on their own.  It has been argued that a frenchman actually achieved powered flight first, but he did it independently and only beat the Wrights by a year at most (at the time, news wouldn't even travel that fast either).


Actually, Dumont's plane never got off the ground that year. Why? Because he never figured out the other groundbreaking thing those Yanks did that you left out: CONTROL. Yeah, gliders were around. The Wrights flew many of them for years, but you could never truly control them. The Wrights invented the rudder, the elevator, and wing-warping that later lead to the airlon. All these things provided control in pitch, roll, and yaw that never existed before. The propellers they *handmade* were truly revolutionary, as was the light engine, but they did much more than that. They invented the entire package, and without any one piece of it, you're goin nowhere fast.

Dumont flew the next year after the Wright's released their findings. It's a matter of record at the International Aviation Archives in Brussels.
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Offline diamondgeezer

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The fun thing about the Tu-160 Blackjack is that it's a rip-off of the B-1 but is the size of a B-52. It's currently being borrowed by NASA for research in to sustained mach 2 flight :nod:

 

Offline Lynx

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The Horten IX flying wing fighter is not included. It's a bit strange though, since the first flying wing design that was halfway close to completiton (a prototype was in construction, so it's closer to completiotion than 99% of the other stuff on luft46). This fighter looked particularly cool, since all the parts were to be integrated into the wing structure, nothing of the parts sticked outwards, destrying the lines of the craft.

The Nazis were evil, but their fighters looked  cool nonetheless.
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Offline diamondgeezer

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Tell you what, have a link to X-Plane.org. There's many a weird Nazi jet to be had :nod: