[Andreas]

I just wanted to adress, that the entries in the fsdoc, in the timeline section, covering the 'Unification' and 'The 14-Year War' should be revamped. A GREAT deal of info in these sections is non-canon, and some (like the deployement of the GTC Leviathan) are open to debate, as they are not given exact dates. There were also no Savior-class Vasudan destroyers mentioned in Freespace.

This has been bugging me for a while, ever since I saw this on FSURP a couple of years back, and that's why I would like to have an answer why is this supposed 'timeline' nothing more than a collection of fan fiction.

For these reasons, wouldn't it be advisable to make two entries for the timeline, the canon one, and the non-canon one.

Oh, and I do not mean to sound harsh or rude, but I demand an explanation!

[phreak]

of it came from the freespace reference bible thats available from the official volition FS1 site (http://www.volition-inc.com/fs).  That data has been fleshed out a bit for the TVWP.

[Andreas]

Yes, I have the reference bible, but there are still no PVD Savior's existing, nor do I remember there having been any unification war. But, I do not want to criticize the contents of these two entries. It is just simply not right to label all these things under a timeline, without mentioning that most of it isn't canon.

[Taristin]

That's because the Vasudan fleet is almost ignored by the Documents. The TVWP has to have V's, or else it'd be the TWP, and that would be a boring game.

[Andreas]

As I said, I am not criticizing the contents themselfs, but the fact that most of it isn't canon. Nobody hasn't added the Derelict or Warzone campaigns in the Post-Capellan section of the timeline precisely, because they aren't canon, they aren't validated by V.

EDIT: Oh, and I am certainly not any 'die-hard' when it comes down to what's canon or not, but I would just simply like that these two entries would have somesort of mentioning that this and this isn't canon, because I would like the timeline to be purely and strictly based on what we know, what is canon and validated by V, either from the reference bible or the game itself.

[Taristin]

Yeah, it could be very misleading. Someone should put an asterisk or a different color text for things that aren't canon...

[Andreas]

Yes, that is exactly what I meant  Sorry if I sounded a little bit pissed off, it's just has been bothering me for a while.

[Night Hammer]

I thought i rmember the Savior being mentioned in the Typhon's tech room thing in FS1

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Ai No Koriida
Yes, I have the reference bible, but there are still no PVD Savior's existing, nor do I remember there having been any unification war. But, I do not want to criticize the contents of these two entries. It is just simply not right to label all these things under a timeline, without mentioning that most of it isn't canon.

I agree here.  Good as Eish's work on a TV-War timeline is, we need to make it clear exactly what can & cannot be contradicted by a campaign in that era whilst remaining canon.

[Galemp]

Most of what's there is extrapolated, including dates and places. Perhaps it's a good idea to hilight what's absolutely certain--but seeing as no pre-Great War campaigns or timelines existed, and Eishtmo came up with a very convincing and thorough one, it makes sense for us to establish it as a method of continuity.

Of course there's nothing explicit about it, and it's all open to debate, but if it has to be invented we may as well be consistent about it.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Galemp
Most of what's there is extrapolated, including dates and places. Perhaps it's a good idea to hilight what's absolutely certain--but seeing as no pre-Great War campaigns or timelines existed, and Eishtmo came up with a very convincing and thorough one, it makes sense for us to establish it as a method of continuity.

Of course there's nothing explicit about it, and it's all open to debate, but if it has to be invented we may as well be consistent about it.

I think anything which isn't strictly canon should be free to be extrapolated or made up in whatever way the author chooses.  IF we place too much emphasis on a particular storyline such as Eish', we're automatically deterring people from using their own ideas.

Just imagine it as if we adopted a campaign storyline as the post FS2-one, and didn't make it explicitly clear it was non-canon.

[Galemp]

Oh, one more thing. It's a Wiki. Anyone can edit it. If there's something you dislike or want to change, go ahead and do it yourself.

[Eishtmo]

What the hell?  Why is all the stuff I INVENTED stuck in as if it's canon?  Who did that?  ****, now I'll have to weed out that stuff from actual canon.

FOR FUTURE REFERENCE:  If it is not canon, INSERT A STATEMENT SAYING SO!  For example, there's a catagory in the planetes section that says NON-CANON.  Use the same idea.  If I don't get to it right away (and given the approaching holiday and other things I probably won't) someone put a section in for user campaigns and mods.

The Savior, Unification war and a lot of other stuff was purely made up by me.  It doesn't exist in real FS.  I do have an actual FS timeline (as close to canon as one can get) floating around this forum somewhere, so search for it.