[Sandwich]

Wonderful conversation, both lines. B-e-a-u-tiful! Keep it up, children!

[vyper]

Napalm discussion relevant to the topic. Free press topic relevant to validity of original article. Hissy fits relevant to... HLP.

[aldo_14]

Getting away with blatantly calling someone a bastard..... priceless.

[Janos]

Originally posted by aldo_14


I think a sufficiently burnt person would look as if they had been melted; IIRC (I've not exactly been studying burn victim photos, so this is strictly from vague memory) severe burns result in the skin sort of 'curling' back and flaking - combine that with the skin being burned away to the bone in places (I believe old napalm did that, so i presume this next-gen stuff does too), and the massive disfigurement from full-body burns, and I could see how the body could look 'melted'.

And this might be totally wrong, but wouldn't human body fat liquidize under a high enough temperature?

"Napalm" is an umbrella term. What people nowaday use is not napalm, but almost completely like it.

Napalm and variants are incendiary weapons. They are sticky, slow-burning, highly toxic (hey, they have gasoline/kerosine, magnesium, aluminium, some weirder stuff...) and have a high temperature (the napalm I was messing around with burned at variable temperatures, the peak being something roughly 3000 degrees celsius).
They stick and burn, and that's about it. They don't "melt" bodies, nor are they gases*, nor are incendiary weapons' use against military targets limited, as far as I know. What they do is, well, burn. Human fat ignites at those temperatures pretty well. Bodies become charred pseudo-skeletons, much like what you see in news or in Star Wars IV. It's not white phosphorous, but it's still repulsive.

US has used napalm-like weaponry against Iraq forces during the initial invasion, which is not a big deal. However, incendiary weapons are pretty goddamn dumb and using them in urban area with possibility of civilian casualties would require 1) dumb commander, 2) no one seeing it, 3) someone quickly clearing the mess, 4) no third parties nearby. They are pretty visible weapons - huge balls of fire, thick smoke and ruined city blocks are pretty visible.

*However, FAE and other air-bursting stuff actually do have gas. Upon detonation, the shell containing the hihgly inflammable gas explodes, a gas cloud is released and shortly afterwards the entire cloud is ignited, resulting in heat, powerful pressure shock and lack of air.


Ps. the article is lol

[aldo_14]

NB: I never said they melted bodies, just that napalm (derivatives) can cause severe burns that could give the impression of a partially melted (not in the sense of liquidized, but like a wax candle) corpse.

[vyper]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Getting away with blatantly calling someone a bastard..... priceless.

Somehow I don't think that'll make the commercials

[Gank]

Lol at the technowafflers.

A simple google image search will turn up pictures showing the effects of napalm on humans, from minor burns to carbonised skeletons.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Getting away with blatantly calling someone a bastard..... priceless.

Shut up, you bastard.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

When someone who you don't like or dislike says something to you, you tend to blow it off.  When two people that you respect say the same thing, you tend to think that there may be some merit in what the other person said.  When that statement is congruent to "people who are together should not be at HLP"  it shows exactly where people's heads are.  The bottom line is, we have been told to get out.  I would consider that to be something of an attacking statement.  Of course you won't.

I know for a fact that I have apologized to everyone i have made a personal attack on, with the exceptions of Janos and Gank.  Janos, your remark was truly tasteless, but so was my reaction, you have my apology.  Gank...your opinion is valid, as an opinion.  We disagree on it.  Personnal attacks aside.  

I say this, because people shouldn't have to have skin thick enough to endure the personnal attacks.  I don't think any of us has a right to make them.  I had always believed that our differences were strengths that made what we do here great, i've come to realize that it instead gives us the right to attack any person who does not share our beliefs.  I disagree with most of Kazan's beliefs, yet i can't question his intelligence.  I disagree with aldo's as well, yet again, there is no question of intelligence.  In other words, there is no room for a personal attack based on someone's beliefs.   Debate is fine, personnal attacks aren't, and that's why I've made it a point to apologize as soon as i got over it.  We make these attacks and forget that it isn't just data, we forget that there is a person on the other end.  Maybe some of us don't much care who we walk on in our quest to have our opinions validated.  If that's true, then i feel particularly bad for those of you who do feel that.  The personnal attacks have to stop guys.  WE...need to stop it.  Some of the best people we have ever had have left over this, and we are still pushing people out with the immature actions that we have all partaken in.  I'm not pointing any fingers, because as a community we are guilty, me included.  

sorry again rictor, i tried to let it die where we left it, but people wouldn't.  For the rest of you, i'm sure that a good flaming is on the way.  It doesn't matter though, because as long as we sit here and accept the fact that these personnal attacks do happen, then we are condoning them.  Admin has finally put an end to the most blatant of these, maybe we need to pick that ball up now.  

I think that's the last that i will say on it.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Gank
Lol at the technowafflers.

A simple google image search will turn up pictures showing the effects of napalm on humans, from minor burns to carbonised skeletons.

Yes, well some of us have yet to have our tea.

[vyper]

[q]When that statement is congruent to "people who are together should not be at HLP" it shows exactly where people's heads are.[/q]

Sarchasm. I love it.

[q]The bottom line is, we have been told to get out.[/q]

I don't think that was ever said. Certainly all I did was tell you both to stfu.

[q]Yes, well some of us have yet to have our tea.[/q]

It's no better at 11am I assure you. Besides last night my father decided to recite the latest news story about a cannibal to me just before dinner - sufficed to say I was less than hungry.

[icespeed]

Shadowwolf, that was completely unnecessary. there is nothing about "married, cohabiting or otherwise associated forumites" being a bad thing, whatever people might say.

i can name two examples: tiara and tco (the celestial one) are married. me and steak (setekh) are friends from high school. all of us have gotten comments on our personal relationships in RL from HLP but that's never actually had a negative influence on us _at_ HLP.

throughout life you're going to get personal comments and attacks. if you can't handle the ones here at HLP, which although they might be harsh at times are still impersonal in that they're not face to face, then you'll have trouble in real life.

as for that christianity thing sapphire, there are a few of us christians around and we manage to get along with all the atheists, agnostics, wiccans, evolutionists, etc etc etc outside the religion threads.

and i think tiara would back me up in saying that there has never been any serious sexism issues at hlp.

so if you're leaving for those reasons, then don't.

[karajorma]

I don't think anyone was saying that you need to leave Shadow Wolf. You're reading a bit too much into Vyper and Black Wolf's comments. What they were saying (somewhat poorly) was that forumites who know each other are always going to steam in to "defend" their friend or partner if someone says something that upsets them. I think that's indisputable and I know that I for one would probably do the same thing myself.

I wouldn't read any more into it than if someone had said that having republicans and democrates talking on Hard Light is never a good thing.

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
There was no Sarcasm there. please note the spelling for future reference.

For future reference:Sarchasm

And Karajorma is right - you're both going to feel compelled to defend each other (especially you, SW) because of your RL relationship. Similarly, you're going to see any slights (real or merely percieved) as far more significant than they really are, because of your obligation to defend your fiance. That was what I was trying to get across. I apparently failed. Now I just don't like where this is going because you're calling people cocksuckers and trying to play both the unfairly slighted innocent and the prick who has the right to call people cocksuckers when he sees he's not winning the argument. Not cool cobber.

[Styxx]

Chill out and back to topic, or the thread gets it.

[vyper]

[q]The kind who would go out and get two blow jobs and then come to my house and give me one of them.[/q]

I'm keeping that for future use.

Anyway, to avoid the Brazilian hammer of justice:

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/view/744/1/80
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MIR412A.html

[ShadowWolf_IH]

oh so then, it's all about how we will defend one another...by that you must mean we will use the same amount of passion as i gave when defending aldo and karajorma in the hosted support forum, or cobra in grognards.  So it doesn't hold water that way either.  No matter how you look at it, it's a friggin bull**** statement.  I was nice, i was prey, no more being nice.  Looks like Kazan's way is the only way to actually get your point across in HLP, being nice about it didn't get the job done.  I'd leave it there before they close the thread, because i am more than willing to keep going.

[Windrunner]

when will you people ever learn. Flaming one another never leads to anything but misery and others getting pissed off.

Haven't ever heard of the phrase "Learn from your mistakes".

I really hate to do this but thread closed until further notice...