[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by Liberator
On the comparison of GitMo to a Soviet Gulag:
You realize that the only thing worse than Soviet era Gulags were Hitler's concentration camps right?

They are housed, fed, and treated as their religion demands at the expense of the American people.  You make a big deal about the "flushing" that didn't actually happen...what nobody is talking about is the fact that we gave them those Korans and totally in accordance with their requirements of how it should be handled.

So as long as we give them their books, it's ok that we torture them?
Please Lib. I remember you saying something in an older thread about the Iraqi abuse: "Well, if no one believes that it doesn't exist, then it will exist. That's why I don't believe that it's true." That's not the exact quote, but that's basically the gist of what you said.

[achtung]

Originally posted by Liberator
Powell can run, he just doesn't want to.  BTW, why'd you thing Powell couldn't run for Pres?

Don't take this in a racist way but what do you think would happen if Powell were to run for the Republican party (keep in mind what kind of peole compose part of the Republican party).

[Rictor]

I don't think it's Powell skin color, but the fact that he's too moderate to "rally the troops". The composition and mood of the Republican Party has really changed in the past decade or two. He could probably have beaten Clinton in '92 is he decided to run, but these days the neocons hold with Republican voters, and he isn't too popular with them at all.

[achtung]

why is it that everyone is "neo" something anymore?  Either it's an exagerration or the whole worlds gone mad.

[Liberator]

Ditto...can someone please tell me what the difference between a neocon and an old fashioned conservative is?  And don't say the neocons are less religous, it may be true, but it's trite and doesn't actually answer the question.

[Goober5000]

"Neo"-anything seems to mean they want someone to take over something.  The neocons want the US to take over the Middle East and establish Pax Americana.  The neolibs want the UN to take over the world and establish Pax Antichristi.

[Ace]

The neolibs want neo-liberalism just like the neocons. The difference is as opposed to Pax Americana they want a "multi-regional" approach where the United States is the power behind the throne.

If anything however, the neocons give more lip-service to prophecies due to their voter base. The "Pax Antichristi" Goober alludes to would be what happens if the neocons actually were doing what the ultra-conservative voter base wants them to. (i.e. murdering tons of people in the hopes that their ideology will be proven right, not very different from the folks we're supposidely fighting...)

Effectively they're two sides of the same coin, the only difference is how they phrase what they're doing.

[achtung]

So, um........ to sum it all up they're nazis?

[Swamp_Thing]

Basically, yes.

[Ace]

Nazis, hiding under a thin veneer of morality and are unable to recognize why blowing up the planet for a chance for them to go to heaven is a bad thing.

*Sigh* Now I'm sounding like Kazan. Next thing I'll start saying christofacist 50 times fast...