[vyper]

Originally posted by Rictor



By the way, I don't know what you think of these guys Sandwich, but I listed to their radio show last week and...well, I can only hope the Israeli right has better spokesmen then that, for their own sake. Everyone from Ben Gurion (the, uhm, founder of Israel) and Golda Meir down to Sharon is a self-hating Bolshevik dictator.

Holy ****. It's a Jewish White Supremacist group... I never thought that possible.

[Clave]

I don't have a problem with Israel or Jews, it's just a location thing...

It's like "Lets build our firework factory next to this petrol lake"

[vyper]

Originally posted by Clave
I don't have a problem with Israel or Jews, it's just a location thing...

Neither do I, but that doesn't change the fact we were under attack during the decision making process.

It's amazing to think my Great-Uncle marched as protection for the Jews going into what was soon to be Israel just after WW2.  He was HLI - the once best of the best Scottish regiment...  anyway, I digress .

[Rictor]

Kahanists, baby. Check them out, it's really interesting.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Rictor

Regardless of what you, I or anyone may think of it, thems the brakes. Israel, as a legal entity and a soverign nation-state has borders at certain points. What should happen to those borders is a matter of opinion, and personally I would be all in favour of expanding Israeli territory if not for the people which would have to be kicked out. I've said it before and I'll say it again, demographics are a powerful weapon.

As for the animosity between Arabs and Israelis, I never said they couldn't live together. Hell, the Muslims are boyscouts compared to what the Jews suffered under powerful Christians in history. In thoery, it's simple "just stop teaching the kids to hate each other". But unfortunately it's never that simple. To a large extent, the hardcore on both sides consider it to be the holy land. You can't really settle something like that, since it's about territory.

By the way, I don't know what you think of these guys Sandwich, but I listed to their radio show last week and...well, I can only hope the Israeli right has better spokesmen then that, for their own sake. Everyone from Ben Gurion (the, uhm, founder of Israel) and Golda Meir down to Sharon is a self-hating Bolshevik dictator.

Muslim Nazis and Bolshevik dictators, eh?  Whatever next.

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by Clave
There must have been other options...  whoever made that decision (The UK?) should be shot...

God?

Anyway, Israel was a barren wasteland in 1948.  Nobody wanted it.  In fact the prevailing opinion at the time was, "Get the Jews out of our countries.  Send them to the Palestinian desert; they'll be out of our way there."

[redmenace]

in other news suicide bombers are still planning attacks.

[Sandwich]

It's interesting to note the aerial differences between Gaza / West Bank and the rest of Israel - you can actually see the "borders" as a difference in land coloration.

[Clave]

Nice view!  I remember that from my trip to Beirut