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potential? what would you call what we have already? a sunday tea party?
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potential? what would you call what we have already? a sunday tea party?


A massive natural disaster.  Humanitarian disaster would be deaths due to, essentially, a lack of basic necessities (food, shelter, water, medicine, etc).  To clarify, with 98% devastation, on top of the casualties you have millions needing fed, housed, etc and a huge disease risk.

 

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I'm waiting for the DEC to put up their link; I have a tin full of money set aside for this sort of thing, albeit I'm sort of in a financial jumble myself given my (lack of) work situation.

 I'll admit I don't personally give enough money (I think it's been - excluding the odd pound here and there in tins - about £55-60 to the tsunami appeal and I think £20 to the cystic fibrosis trust, so around £75-85 in the last 10 months) to charity.  That's excluding physical stuff like clothes, of course.  God knows how much of that stuff goes to charity shops; I've been reasonably successful in convincing my parents to give (useable) stuff to, say, Oxfam or the British Heart Foundation rather than throw away or give to relatives.

I would actually welcome a tax increase that, for example, meant 1p in every pound went to aid (NGO or GO).  I've been saying we should have that for a long time; I'm more happy seeing my tax money (which equates to around 10% of my last annual income, I think, on income tax alone) going to proper needy causes than to, say, refitting Trident, sending troops to some god-forsaken dusthole for someone elses war, or paying some MPs junket to yet another undemocratic but oil rich/strategically positioned/filled with discrete rent boys country.
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Well, to quote Bananarama...

'It ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it'.

A fair number of these situations that the West are now feeling forced to intervene in were created by the UK, US and several other countries by 'Gung Ho' policies about 20 years ago. Getting involved and helping out are important things, but, I have always held that people learn from making their own mistakes. America prizes it's hard-won independance every single year, the UK used to have 'Magna Carta Day', however, our government being what it is, like St Georges day it has vanished into the Ether. Local government probably thought it would offend terrorists, they are that PC (Seriously, Enfield Council in North London refused to fly the Union Jack on St Georges day because it might offend non-natives :wtf: ).

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that Freedom is something only you personally can strive for, be it freedom to stay out after 10pm, or Freedom to use your legs after a horrible car crash etc, it is a prize, and is honoured and appreciated as such.

Putting aside the facts of our involvement 20 years ago, if Freedom had been handed to you rather than won, do you think you would appreciate it? Do you think you would treasure it and hold it in the highest esteem if it had not even been your achievement? The Iraqis, for example, don't see it as Freedom, they see it as a foreign army in their country. Had you left them to it, nothing may have happened, or there may have been a massive uprising where thousands died, that uprising may or may not have worked. It gets complex because Saddam was originally by all evidence, placed in power in Iraq by the West in the first place.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html - Note, yes, this is biased to a fair degree, a lot of speculation and little evidence, but there are many more documents that agree with it.

So, had we not got involved in the first place, we wouldn't actually need to be there now. Yes, Iraqs previous leader was not very well disposed towards the US, but better an honourable enemy than a dishonourable friend.

So yes, I think the entire West needs to sort out it's government, not just for the sake of the sick and needy, but for the sake of the healthy and well-off as well, the corruption in our governments is spinning like an Ooslem bird, but it's not it's own rear end it's going to end up flying into.....

Edit : Anyway, On topic, this is the sort of situation that the UN and the US should be getting involved in, it was not instigated or deliberate, simply a horrible disaster, you would hope to see people put their differences aside at times like this, but sadly, you would always end up dissapointed.
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Corruption is always going to be a problem with every government everywhere.

Most governments seem to try to do something to limit the amount of influence that corperations have, but in the US they have virtually unlimited influence by way of campaign contrabutions. It really is just another form of corruption if you think about it, but it is legal. And there are many politicians who are fighting to keep it that way because their corperate masters want them to.

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Update:

Bush pledged 50 million for Pakistan earlier today.

http://www.khnl.com/Global/story.asp?S=3959074

Better?

 

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Much.

I'm still pissed off with the pitance the UK is giving them though.
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Phew, i'm glad to see that Australia's initial donation - a pidding little $500,000 - has ballooned to (Aus)$10 Million... perhaps there's hope for our government yet... :doubt:

 

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Much.

I'm still pissed off with the pitance the UK is giving them though.


It is truly pathetic, particularly given the large population here of Indian/Pakistani immigrants / descendents of immigrants.

And yes, much better.

 

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There are a lot of Pakistanis, Indians and Khasmiris over here, I heard one guy lost eighteen members of his family...:(

It really sucks that this will happen again - Continental Drift is still going on..

They have got to start making better buildings (hopefully with help) because the sheer number of children killed in this disaster is horrifying and needless...
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Sadly, you probably won't see better buildings because of the sheer cost - not to mention that they'll probably be cutting building restrictions to alleviate the homeless situation now.

Pakistan are saying the death toll is currently 23,000.  (correcting a report of 33,000 earlier).