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Offline Nuclear1

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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Well, right now those Indians are ripping the less intelligent Americans off with casinos and Jesse Jackson is extorting millions of dollars from businesses. At least we don't shoot people for saying "capitalism sucks" like the USSR did (in the case of "communism sucks") and Iran does (in the case of "Khomeini sucks").


I suppose we deserve it, being stupid American white-males. :rolleyes:

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Nope, you never were, right from when you were massacring the indians and using black slaves to pick cotton.
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Oh, so you want to play that card, huh? Has the United States been the only country in the world to do such a thing?

Don't make me start naming. :doubt:

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So it boils down to 'Blow them up, because they don't like us and might blow us up' (remember, we are applying Terrorist opinions to entire nations here).


No, it boils down to "Blow up the madman that'll start blowing up other people on the same continent/region".

Now I'm just going to put out my opinion of the UN once and for all:

I honestly do not like the UN in its modern-day form at all. Why? More than half of the nations represented in it are ruled by dictators. The Security Council is controlled by nations that would more like to start WWIII than to do anything about it. In addition, it's highly ineffective, passing resolutions that hardly produce any results, leaving other nations, the US in particular, to step in and make things happen.

Now there are some instances where I do not despise the UN. Take 1962 for example. The UN's member nations effectively boycotted the South African apartheid government, eventually bringing about military and economic pressure that would lead to its collapse.

I understand that the UN was created to resolve disputes and problems between nations peacefully, but when they decide to place Saddam Hussein on the Human Rights Commission and Iraq starts abusing the Oil-For-Food Program, that just shows how ineffective and ready for an overhaul it has become.

There, see? I got through an entire statement about the UN without venting steam.
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Offline Flipside

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Errrrrr I don't think Gank was saying we didn't I think he was saying we learnt from our mistakes.

Define 'Madman' for me will you, is that Mad 'Insane' or Mad 'Angry', since both types exist the former through ignorance the latter through suffering.

Of course, 200lb of high explosive makes the situation that much better....

 

Offline Rictor

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Oooh, Russia supports so-and so. Big ****ing deal. Its called international arms trading, and its not exactly a new invention. America backs Israel, Russia backs Iran. America backs A, someone else, usually weaker, backs B.

When it comes to selling deadly weapons to tinpot dictarors and butchers, the US isn't exactly a virgin. Its business, an evil and destructive business, but business nevertheless. Powerful governments don't seem to have too many problems selling weapons to repressiver regimes, just as long as the money is good.

 

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[q]it's highly ineffective, passing resolutions that hardly produce any results, leaving other nations, the US in particular, to step in and make things happen.[/q]

Dude the US is half the reason most UN resolutions fail. The actual serious ones get Vetoed by you. Especially the ones that clamp down on dictators installed by the US Goverment.

[q]the latter through suffering.[/q]

DING DING DING! And who causes that suffering through proxy wars and support of oppressive regimes? Heh, oh say can you see, by the pawns deadly blight....
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When will Mankind get over this "we against them" mentality?
:wtf:


Hopefully after a nuclear war and the arrival of an Alien species with pointy ears.


No seriously, let's just clean house and start again.
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Offline Rictor

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Originally posted by nuclear1


I honestly do not like the UN in its modern-day form at all. Why? More than half of the nations represented in it are ruled by dictators. The Security Council is controlled by nations that would more like to start WWIII than to do anything about it. In addition, it's highly ineffective, passing resolutions that hardly produce any results, leaving other nations, the US in particular, to step in and make things happen.

Now there are some instances where I do not despise the UN. Take 1962 for example. The UN's member nations effectively boycotted the South African apartheid government, eventually bringing about military and economic pressure that would lead to its collapse.

I understand that the UN was created to resolve disputes and problems between nations peacefully, but when they decide to place Saddam Hussein on the Human Rights Commission and Iraq starts abusing the Oil-For-Food Program, that just shows how ineffective and ready for an overhaul it has become.

There, see? I got through an entire statement about the UN without venting steam.


Have you any idea how many times the US has used its veto to protect allies who were in clear violation of UN mandates? Or the number of times such issues barely came up due to US influence?

Yes, the UN isn't perfect, but I for one think they would improve that by being less pliable to US coersion, not more (not only, all members of the Security Council, but the US being chief among them). Yes, its corrupt, but try finding one large, powerful organization that isn't. The job of the UN is to

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save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind,


You either believe in UN authority, or you don't. If you do, then that applies equally to everyone, including the US and its allies. If you don't, then don't start talking about how so and so is violating UN mandates.  You claim that half the UN counties are ruled by dictators? Take a look at how many of them have been propped up or supported by the US? Equal standards, thats all I ask.

 
Russia supports Iran´s nuke program?!?
There is one way to make the UN work:
It needs to have it´s own standing army. Because it depends on other countries allowing it to use their troops, they can never be fully independent. If a peacekeeping action is needed, the conclusion of that action is pending on the aproval of the troop supplying nations. If however they have their own troops, they can go over the heads of the nations that would rather not see that action take place. Like the US and Israel. How many lives could have been saved if the UN was allowed to enter Israel and force the palestinian state into existence?
Obviouslly, the UN would need to get rid of Vetoes alltogether aswell. If we want an effective UN, we have to be prepared to delegate the responsability to that world body, and comply with all and every resolution, like it or not.
Those are the 2 reforms most needed by the UN. They need to be fully independent, and all powerfull, so that no one nation can wave their weight about and f**k things up. Call it a World Counsil or UN, it needs to be for the world like a Supreme Court is for a nation.
If people were allowed to inlist into the UN´s army, just as we are into our nation´s army, the UN would have it´s own expeditionary force in a matter of a few years.


Regarding weapons sales from Russia to Iran, that was never a surprise. What was a surprise was that Russia publicaly announces they will support Iran´s nuclear program, especially now that the US is pressing so hard to end it.
Selling conventionall armament was never a surprise. Iran-Contras anyone? Or have you forgotten about it by now? I wouldn´t be surprised if even today there were american guns being sold to Iran and Syria, at the same time as the US govt. strives to put the hurt in them. No sir, i wouldn´t...
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Offline Gank

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Russia supporting Irans nuclear program is NOT a surprise, its been that way since day one.

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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Well, right now those Indians are ripping the less intelligent Americans off with casinos and Jesse Jackson is extorting millions of dollars from businesses. At least we don't shoot people for saying "capitalism sucks" like the USSR did (in the case of "communism sucks") and Iran does (in the case of "Khomeini sucks").

Oh and that makes it alright does it? As for not shooting people for saying ****, you did it for monetary gains instead, thats so much better.
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Oh, so you want to play that card, huh? Has the United States been the only country in the world to do such a thing?

No but its the only country whose citizens claim to be the leaders of the free world.
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There, see? I got through an entire statement about the UN without venting steam.
:wtf: You entire statement was venting steam at the UN, or were you being sarcastic?
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Offline karajorma

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Russia supports Iran´s nuke program?!?
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I understand that the UN was created to resolve disputes and problems between nations peacefully, but when they decide to place Saddam Hussein on the Human Rights Commission and Iraq starts abusing the Oil-For-Food Program, that just shows how ineffective and ready for an overhaul it has become.


And what right does America have to start dictating to others about human rights when it is one of only 5 or so nations in the entire world who uses capital punishment against minors?

Even Iraq didn't do that.
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