[Ace]

Yeah, but everybody hates Cheney, so it'll be a good thing

[Mongoose]

Wow, that's some wank-fest there.  Nice to know that the proper function of our democracy is to elect someone who is approved by the rest of the world.

It's interesting how you can use the Presidents' foreign policy failures to spin criticism of the electee into some sort of attack on US democracy.

Since when did I do that?  All I was doing was responding to the points that that article made.  Of course anyone has the right to criticize our president; I do it all the time myself.  But hearing all of those sources talking about "having to bear it" or asking "what were they thinking?" is just rather irritating.  The people that we elect to office are our own business, and we elect them for our own reasons.  Let us worry about our own elected officials, and you worry about your own.

[Grug]

Out of curiosity, does everyone agree that he SHOULD be impeached?


From the outside, the majority of American's come across as ignorant or intolerant of other cultures, arrogant, christian extremist, seriously under educated about countries and nations outside of their borders, and badly brainwashed by media and the US government.

I know for a fact that not all American's fit this stereotype, (I consider many my friends who are intelligent and good people) but it scares the **** out of me that this stereotype appears as a majority when looking at the American public.

On the note of evolution / creationism for one example:
(warning, scary results)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm

Generally speaking, it says that a higher number of American's do not believe Evolution to be true, rather they believe in Creationism. Compare this to the rest of the world where the results are mostly opposite with evolution being "common knowledge". (Including other highly religeous community's)

My interpretation is that a good deal of American's are extremist Christians. Something just as dangerous, if not more so (being a powerfull nation and all), as extremist Muslim or any other religeon. I'd go as far to say that extremist Christians have caused far more problems than Muslims.

I don't mean to offend or be a yank basher. I'm simply looking at the facts, and making some pretty bloody obvious conclusions... =/

[NGTM-1R]

On the note of evolution / creationism for one example:
(warning, scary results)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm

And do you perhaps have all the details on those polls; where they were conducted, if the pollers had any previous knowledge of the people polled, the exact phrasing of the questions? It's not hard to rig these things, you know. And it makes for a good story.

[Corsair]

He won't be, and anybody who thinks he will be is dreaming. He may have broken some laws, stretched presidential power farther than it should ever go, and made some horrendous mistakes, but he won't be impeached. Nobody can pull that off.

[Grug]

On the note of evolution / creationism for one example:
(warning, scary results)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm

And do you perhaps have all the details on those polls; where they were conducted, if the pollers had any previous knowledge of the people polled, the exact phrasing of the questions? It's not hard to rig these things, you know. And it makes for a good story.

Most of the details are in the articles themselves.
More:
http://pewforum.org/surveys/origins/
http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/creation/evol-poll.htm

All you need to do is do a google search on "percentage of americans that believe in evolution". See for yourself.
The results vary from around 50% to the scarily less than 10%. The most obvious conclusion being that a good majority don't believe in evolution. It is certainly not "common knowledge" or considered a minority to disbelieve evolution.

Ed: Unless every single poll and results tally is somehow corrupt and morphed?

[Kosh]

There is a law against warrantless wiretapping that has been around since the 70's.......and it is pretty clear Bush broke that law. THAT is a big reason to get him impeached......not like he will be impeached though.

[aldo_14]

Wow, that's some wank-fest there.  Nice to know that the proper function of our democracy is to elect someone who is approved by the rest of the world.

It's interesting how you can use the Presidents' foreign policy failures to spin criticism of the electee into some sort of attack on US democracy.

Since when did I do that?  All I was doing was responding to the points that that article made.  Of course anyone has the right to criticize our president; I do it all the time myself.  But hearing all of those sources talking about "having to bear it" or asking "what were they thinking?" is just rather irritating.  The people that we elect to office are our own business, and we elect them for our own reasons.  Let us worry about our own elected officials, and you worry about your own.

Why the hell shouldn't we worry about other countries elected officials?

[Mefustae]

Wow, that's some wank-fest there.  Nice to know that the proper function of our democracy is to elect someone who is approved by the rest of the world.

It's interesting how you can use the Presidents' foreign policy failures to spin criticism of the electee into some sort of attack on US democracy.

Since when did I do that?  All I was doing was responding to the points that that article made.  Of course anyone has the right to criticize our president; I do it all the time myself.  But hearing all of those sources talking about "having to bear it" or asking "what were they thinking?" is just rather irritating.  The people that we elect to office are our own business, and we elect them for our own reasons.  Let us worry about our own elected officials, and you worry about your own.

Why the hell shouldn't we worry about other countries elected officials?

Indeed, when a man that controls the largest Nuclear Arsenal in the world starts talking about hearing 'God speaking to him' or exercising foreign policies that would make Stalin blush, the rest of the world has just cause to start being worried.

[TopAce]

I voted 'no' because all through US history, like two or three presidents were impeached. Clinton, Nixon, and maybe someone else. Of all three of them, only Nixon was convicted, with good reason, though. I don't think Bush will eventually get impeached, it requires a lot of stuff and the majority of votes in the House. I won't happen. Let's wait until he finishes his second four-year term. He won't get elected for the third time anyway, unless he manages to convince Congress to abolish the 27th Amendment.

(note:) I am not sure which number amendment prohibits the third term.

[Ford Prefect]

Nixon actually wasn't impeached. He resigned preemptively because he knew he would be impeached if he stayed in office. The only two presidents to be impeached, if I remember correctly, were Bill Clinton and Andrew Johnson.

And I believe the two-term limit on the presidency was set by the 22nd Amendment, if my government course is still serving me well.

[TopAce]

Oh, yes. You are right about Nixon. About the amendment, I am still unsure. The 27th Amendment does something to Congressmen wages.

[EDIT[You are also right about the 22nd Amendment, it was truly the 22nd, enacted in 1953.

[Nuke]

isnt it obvious that the democrats let bush win so that he would make a fool of his party and thus give the democrats the power next time about? anyway i have to say no, bush wont be impeached, he will be allowed to make the party look as bad as it can before its term is up thus ensuring a democratic party victory (no doubt theyl try to get a chick in office).

does anyone think that the two partys are the same narrow minded assholes?
VOTE INDEPENDANT!!!!!!

[karajorma]

If they did it was a bad plan since Bush's response seems to be to screw up the country so badly that the democrats will take the blame and only get one term.

[Bobboau]

does anyone think that the two partys are the same narrow minded assholes?
VOTE INDEPENDANT!!!!!!

incedently I got my libertarian party membership card just yesterday.

[Nuke]

id never follow a party, theyre all heard followers, cattle for the slaughter.