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Offline Wild Fragaria

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I think the new method of screening genetic diseases in embryos is quite facsinating, but the sample size of women (only 7 pregnant women) being tested is a bit too small.


Nature News Published online: 16 June 2006; | doi:10.1038/news060612-16

Making the most of a little DNA

A way of vastly amplifying the genome of a single cell is allowing unprecedented insights into the potential of embryos created during fertility treatment. Embryos can already be checked for some genetic abnormalities, but tests are limited by the tiny amount of DNA in a single cell removed from the embryo.

The new approach will broaden the scope and reliability of such tests, according to British researchers. The team's first five pregnancies using embryos screened in this way have just been announced.

Pre-implantation genetic diagnosis (PGD) is generally used by couples at risk of passing a serious genetic condition to their children. Embryos are created by in vitro fertilization (IVF) and at the 8-cell stage, one cell is taken for testing. If given the all-clear, the embryo is implanted into the mother's womb.

Traditional PGD uses a method of DNA amplification called PCR, targeted to a specific DNA sequence, to test for a particular mutation. But the amount of DNA available in one cell of the embryo is miniscule — just 6 picograms, less than the mass of a single bacterium. Routine DNA tests aren't sensitive enough, so each PGD lab has to develop its own test for each mutation. For a couple with a rare mutation that hasn't been tested before, that can take 6-12 months, and many are turned away.

Pamela Renwick, Peter Braude and their colleagues from Guy's and St Thomas' Hospital in London believe they have found a better way. They have adapted a method called "whole genome amplification" to work on DNA from a single cell. This amplifies lots of DNA sequences at once, and can multiply a tiny scrap of DNA a million-fold in a few hours. It's rough and ready, but gives researchers a more manageable amount of DNA and vastly expands the range of tests they can do.

One the DNA is amplified, Braude and his colleagues have chosen a method called haplotyping to check whether the embryo carries a genetic abnormality. This doesn't detect the disease mutation — you don't even need to know what the mutation is. Instead it relies on detecting a panel of markers — parts of the DNA sequence that differ between chromosomes and can be used to track which of the mother's and father's chromosomes an embryo has inherited. If you know (from checking other family members) which chromosome carries the mutation, you can distinguish between unaffected, affected, and carrier embryos.

This means that couples can all undergo the same routine haplotype test, regardless of what mutation they have, and even if the precise mutation hasn't been identified. The technique will also make it possible to screen in cases where one parent is at risk of a late-onset disease and the couple wants to rule that condition out in the next generation without finding out whether the parent at risk actually carries the mutation. In this case the tests would look for haplotypes matching affected or unaffected siblings or parents of the possible carrier.

The method also improves the testing for sex-linked disorders such as Duchenne muscular dystrophy (DMD). Previously, couples at risk of DMD had embryos sexed — all males were discarded. The new test distinguishes between affected and unaffected males, so fewer embryos have to be rejected.

Braude and his colleagues announced at a meeting of the European Society for Human Reproduction and Embryology (ESHRE) in Prague on 19 June that they have used the technique on seven women. This work, discussed in a paper in Reproductive BioMedicine Online1, resulted in five pregnancies — two tested for cystic fibrosis, two for DMD, and one for a condition in which the embryo can become a tumour within the mother's placenta. All the women are due to give birth later this year.

Braude is clearly excited about the work. "It's revolutionary," he says. "This changes everything." He says the technique could work for thousands of disorders, and estimates that it will increase the number of treatments carried out in his lab two- to fourfold.

Stéphane Vivelle, of the Institute of Genetics and Molecular and Cellular Biology (IGBMC) in Strasbourg, France, is more cautious. He's not satisfied that whole-genome amplification is reliable enough yet, and in the meantime is developing ways to haplotype embryos directly from a single-cell's worth of DNA. Either way though, he doesn't think the approach will greatly increase demand for PGD except among very high-risk couples, as it will remain risky and expensive. "It's always more satisfactory to get your baby in your bed, not in our test tubes," he points out.

Karen Sermon at the Dutch-speaking Free University of Brussels is working on a similar technique to Braude, and told Nature that her team carried out its first clinical cycle just a few days ago (16-17 June), looking for a neuromuscular disorder called spino-cerebellar ataxia. "This isn't a paradigm shift," she says. "But it is one more weapon in our arsenal, to try to get PGD sorted."

interesting, she believes, is the idea of using the amplified DNA to screen an embryo's entire genome. Some women going through IVF have embryos screened using a technique called fluorescent in situ hybridization (FISH). Coloured dyes confirm that particular chromosomes aren't duplicated or missing, but it's pretty crude and only nine chromosomes can be checked, partly because there are only so many different coloured dyes.

A larger sample would allow the use of a DNA chip to check in much greater detail whether all parts of the genome are present and correct. Sermon says she and her colleagues now hope to start a trial to see whether such a screen increases the success rate of IVF — if they can get funding to buy the appropriate chips.

 

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Yeah. This has been all over the news over here. People basically asking about whether it means the start of designer babies (yet again!).

This is pretty much my answer to that question.
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Yeah. This has been all over the news over here. People basically asking about whether it means the start of designer babies (yet again!).

This is pretty much my answer to that question.

Unfortunately it's symptomatic of the tabloid press that any form of advanced medicine tends to be 'tampering with nature', whilst rubbing crystals over your body or rejecting MMR on the basis of, er, the tabloid media and a very dodgy study is perfectly ok and logical.
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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We had this debate last week or the week before correct :D ?
Who won that by the way?
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Offline Wild Fragaria

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Yeah. This has been all over the news over here. People basically asking about whether it means the start of designer babies (yet again!).

This is pretty much my answer to that question.

I wonder what question you're referring to.

I think people need more education in the matter if they think screening embryos for genetics diseases means designing a perfect human.  They have to understand that we, humans, are just as mysterious as the blackhole and 'building' a genetically ideal human is not as easy as building a robot.  Anyway, the article you linked has explained the subject pretty well.

We had this debate last week or the week before correct :D ?
Who won that by the way?

Now, what did I miss?

 

Offline aldo_14

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Yeah. This has been all over the news over here. People basically asking about whether it means the start of designer babies (yet again!).

This is pretty much my answer to that question.

I wonder what question you're referring to.

I think people need more education in the matter if they think screening embryos for genetics diseases means designing a perfect human.  They have to understand that we, humans, are just as mysterious as the blackhole and 'building' a genetically ideal human is not as easy as building a robot.  Anyway, the article you linked has explained the subject pretty well.

I was just reading today an editorial thing from a usually-very-solid newspaper, which made that exact link that genetic screening = designer babies.  I can only assume they think that people using this would keep getting cells screened until they get a particular combination of features, which we all know is so wrong it's....well, very wrong.

 

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Yeah. This has been all over the news over here. People basically asking about whether it means the start of designer babies (yet again!).

This is pretty much my answer to that question.

I wonder what question you're referring to.

I think people need more education in the matter if they think screening embryos for genetics diseases means designing a perfect human.  They have to understand that we, humans, are just as mysterious as the blackhole and 'building' a genetically ideal human is not as easy as building a robot.  Anyway, the article you linked has explained the subject pretty well.

I was just reading today an editorial thing from a usually-very-solid newspaper, which made that exact link that genetic screening = designer babies.  I can only assume they think that people using this would keep getting cells screened until they get a particular combination of features, which we all know is so wrong it's....well, very wrong.

That's why I don't like about how media interpreting science sometimes.  What they could have done is simply reporting an overview of the scientific report without making the news overly saucey, but no, they have to create new terms or phrases such as "designer babies' that could potentially mislead many people who don't have much background in science (biology in the case).  I have no objection of being creative but they really have to be very careful doing that with a science topic.

 

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Whilst I agree that designer babies could be a problem this isn't designer babies. This is making sure that babies aren't born with crippling diseases when you can instead have a baby without that disease.
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Thats just the first step. Its ow things always turn out, look at drugs, developed for curing disease, then abuse the science to make cocaine ( :nervous:) Acid, ICE, and even Ketamine an animal Tranquiliser is being used for "naughties" (again  :nervous:)

There will always be people with loose morals and expertise willing to flaunt it with no ethical practise for a few extra zeos on their payslip.
I for one would not design a super baby (unless it came with a cd changer) but i would happily wrong choice of word. I would allow the "mods?" to take place to corrupt recessive tardiness..........
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Thats just the first step. Its ow things always turn out, look at drugs, developed for curing disease, then abuse the science to make cocaine ( :nervous:) Acid, ICE, and even Ketamine an animal Tranquiliser is being used for "naughties" (again  :nervous:)

There will always be people with loose morals and expertise willing to flaunt it with no ethical practise for a few extra zeos on their payslip.
I for one would not design a super baby (unless it came with a cd changer) but i would happily wrong choice of word. I would allow the "mods?" to take place to corrupt recessive tardiness..........

It's not the first step.  It's genetic screening, not manipulation.  In real terms, it's not really all that different to having a blood test as a child/adult, or testing the embryonic fluid post-implantation;

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Pre-implantation genetic diagnosis (PGD) is generally used by couples at risk of passing a serious genetic condition to their children. Embryos are created by in vitro fertilization (IVF) and at the 8-cell stage, one cell is taken for testing. If given the all-clear, the embryo is implanted into the mother's womb.

Now, if you're going to rally against science investigating and creating things because someone might abuse it, then we might as well just stop doing anything and go back to caves.

 

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We had to learn to walk before we coukd run. IMO this is a step towards the topic in question,
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So you think its ok to let child to be born with disease that has 100 pct mortality rate at age of 5 and prior to that disables and paralyzes the child?

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Offline Colonol Dekker

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WTF? Never EVER ANYWHERE  :mad: Did i say it was ok for kids to die, I never said Research was bad, Nor did i say that screening/manipulation was a bad thing, Likewise i didn't contradict the view, I just said this is where it will end up many years from now.


Jeez,.................
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Ah.. well.. sorry then... I just got a wrong impression from the last post... 'the real gattaca' thing.
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Apologies for the "red mist" i have a low tolerence for infant death.
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Anyway, it'll all get tested on pigs+monkies first i'd imagine.
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The mistake you're making Dekker is that you're assuming that just cause something is scientifically possible it will happen. Things just don't work out that way. Read the article I posted and you'll see that not only is designing a baby this way expensive it also has a low chance of success and unless you're willing to use a donar egg it forces the mother to go through a very uncomfortable proceedure to get hold of the egg in the first place.
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