Below are exceprts from posts in the VBB. many are deeply interesting and show how dedicated some people are to the series. Chaille being the mederator of the site now has actually helped out with certain aspecs as to where others have just given up on us fans. i hope people post this and bring this to the administrators attention all over from VBB all the way to here.
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Treize after a long absense practically cried his heart out:
Excerpt from post to Chaille:
Being one of the few fans (few meanin the few couple hundred or so other than play the game of the thousands of players in existence) who actually take time out of there lives to actually dedicate some time to making a ship or model, who had found a way to get some imagination into a game that someone else creates and make it seem more interesting, i am truly appaled by the events that have taken place. granted it is business. the game has had its great ups and downs, being game of the year then going to a low seller, and all the other economic nonsense, i would hate to feel i wasted
fo time and money buying the games (fs1 and 2) four times all togeather and to watch it die out like most other games in a short amount of time is sad. You see half life, a prime example, the game has been around as long as freespace, a bit longer by a couple of months, and its still rated in the top 10. this is becuase of the fan base which has grown imensly because of its popularity with mod's and a common game engine (the quake1/2 engine+minor tweaks =Half Life Engine), allowed the game to excell where others have failed. you see counter strike. which started as a small time beta byt a group of people. now they are mass marketing the mod with the company. although the company (sierra & valve) isnt in strife like interplay was, or volition, whatever the circumstances, whoever runs the rights to the game, or owns parts of the game, should be given back to the comunity it spawned. not be so hell bent (interplay) on doing its dedicated fan base dirty. the company made by gamers for gamers as there company logo is usig false marketing with that statement and i feel and
of people feel taken advantage of. you have Kazan, who programed half a dozen programs for FS1-2. did he get paid for it, no. but he did it, for all the fans out there who cant do it themselves.
i guess what i am trying to say is, even though interplay has most of the rights to freespace, and THQ-Voliton has some, what is it that THQ-Volition can do now with what you have within your power, and help us fans who have stucked through the worst of the series and still kept the game alive.
You seen Hard Light Productions, you may or may have not seen The Metal Siren Network (my fs HP), you seeN VolitonWatch, and you see all the little fan based sites still out there that still flicker with life, even when theres practically no hope, still continue to make mods. we as fans have practically disected Freespace and maniuplated as much as we could to our benefit, thus gaining us
of flexibility to make our custom ships, space scenes, ideas that where once only on paper now possible because of the company u now own THQ, and it would be sad to see it fade out because of bad deals between companies. yes you will always have fans and a dedicated customer buying base, but the true fans, who would if had half a chance, band togeather and continue the series on there own, somehow by the will of god, legally do it, we would. and make the series last as long and keep lasting like Half Life. ( The game that takes a friggen half life to die off ).
Make some dreams continue. THQ this is every fans plee, go to the user websites, go to the forums, see the skills we as teenagers to adults have and had applied to the game. take the fans, who even do this for sheer pleasure, into consideration.
Thanks.
Treize K., Deep Eyes, Entire (even SW) forum members, and all FS forums and fans around the world.
please visit those fan sites. see the dedication. and think bout my signature below.
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Freespace 2 will live on through its fans... forever...
Its a revolution...
Freespace 2: New Dawn Resolution
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posted by Treize K.
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Top Gun:
I'm posting this as a thread because I though it would benefit from group discussion.
Since the Squad war forum closed there has been an Exodus of idiots flooding into an already spam/troll infested Freespace forum which is that way due to poor moderation. It has got to the point where Freespace discussion is almost impossible and unless action is taken to remove those who are responsible for this you will lose the remainder of the dedicated community members that have had the loyalty to stay there through thick and thin. Whilst I fully acknowledge that THQ didn't Publish Freespace, having one spam/troll infested forum has implications on all of the others not to mention gives a bad impression of the company. I really like all of Volition's games, they have given me hours of enjoyment, in playing, modding, rendering and contributing to the Excellent community there is here. I plan to stay at the Freespace BB for as long as it exists but others will not, the vast majority of the Knowledge base has already moved elsewhere and the rest will follow the trend if this situation does not improve. We are not asking for the world.
Thank you.
[UGC]Lonestar
Yo, whats up V/THQ!
I got a good question for you. I know it has nothing to do with games or gaming, but it does pertain to this board, and members thereof.
See, a group of gamers decided to create a place, where everyone is welcomed. We encourage playing all kinds of different games. We are like an online magazine, but you can actually play and compete against us.
Our creed is about friendship, fun and fair competition.
What im getting at is, guys like us, HLP, VolitionWatch, FreespaceWatch, etc.... put
of time and effort to broaden the horizon of Volition games, enhance them, build on them. Even make our own stories as to what could of happen. Also, we are all dedicated to helping others who play this game in any way we can.
In otherwords, we are like you guys, except we do it out of our free time and efforts. Oh and we dont make the game, hehehe.
Anyhow, to my point. Seeing as we do all this, maybe as payment in return you would allow, established organizations, such as the ones i mentioned, with a JPG PIC, in order to show to anyone visiting we exist, we contribute and you notice this.
I know, not much for you in return but wait!
In return, you do get something. People will be shown you support our efforts and reward us. What we do is nothing compared to what you do. And in exchange you give us something we hardly deserve.
Nothing fancy, and not moderators of course. Also, we could provide the JPG for you on our space. Or yours.
Just something for you to ponder. I'd like one so im asking.
Thanks for your response in advance.
his second post:
Im not gonna tell V or THQ how to run things, but doesnt it bother you that 3/4 of your fanbase have issues with you, you will not address? Im not talking old games or what have you. Im talking the future.
Come on, you guys must have learned by now that communication and commercialization help sell games. Dont tell me you have, cause every freakin mag i read, and press release hardly mentions either of these two companies.
It reminds me of the end days of Sega. Heheheh
Look, pay atttention to the user, and the user will spend his cash on you. Simple.
Thanks for not listening.
Defender1:
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Volition is great at making games, but that's it.
They don't know how to support their creations. Once it's done, they move on to the next best thing.
Sierra/Valve still strongly support Half-Life
Now, before you go and say "but h/l sold millions of copies and still does today!" i'm well aware of that.
But my point here is they had a great product (Volition got these) and sierra/valve stood behind it and supported it's fanbase.
Hell, they even put a mod maker through college! Now, if that's not support i sure as hell don't know what is.
Making games isn't about making games.
its about the people who buy them.
if you treat them like s_hit, then they will ignore your future releases and insult your work.
Another example of support: Outrage, makers of D3, is nearly complete with the 1.5 path for d3. Now, this game is almost as old as fs2, and sold very poorly as well, not to mention i doubt it's selling anymore either.
but their dedicated to their work, and support the community.
chaille: (in responce to quote)
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Originally posted by Mysterial:
Just to clarify, most of us (me included) are speaking of how things have been UP TO THIS POINT. We are illustrating that just because someone with the V or THQ symbol says something doesn't mean it actually happens that way. If you guys have come in here to fix things up, then go ahead. When you back your words with actions, you will see attitudes adjust accordingly.
As for FS2, PXO, SW, and such plans: You say ask V. We have, many times, and got pretty much nothing. Thus, we turn to you. If V would just SAY SOMETHING we'd stop asking.
BTW Chaille: I commend your efforts at answering questions around here. At least somebody finally seems to give a damn.
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Well, it could be that they don't know the answers. That's usually the only reason they don't answer a question.
-ronin-: (this is a thought)
hey challie, here's an idea
give 1 or 2 trusted members (like Orange and Ramora, or any VW person) access to admin PXO.
and you can quote someone by clicking the button about the test of the post of the person you want to quote
[This message has been edited by -Ronin- (edited 11-13-2001).]
Kazan's famous quote:
Looks like Chaille's weilding The Bleak IP Banning Hammer of VBB Justice now
Woohoo! Finally some trolls get da boot
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some posts are truth and plea's, others, congradulations and what not. does any one here or HLP think maybe it can one day begin to build a greater development team and make some magic happen if THQ supported us better than before or -omg-, dare i say it, Volition actually (cared) came back to us giving us some support?
"this just some food for though, you do the dishes"
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New Project Leader of the New Dawn Resolution Project in conjuction with the Metal Siren Network and staff member of The Eden Project.
The Metal Siren Network: Freespace 2: New Dawn Resolution - The Eden Project
