[Kazan]

sod off wanker

[Roanoke]

well if I had a team I'd be glad they won a friendly, but I wouldn't read too much into it.

[Night Hammer]

i saw the game, it was awful, chelsea played like ****, congrats to the MLS for winning but it shouldnt get to their heads, they pulled Peter Cech and a good amount of the starters at halftime, matter of fact they scored on the backup goalie (some scrub ive never heard of wearing number like 40)

this match wasn't played like a friendly.. those two teams took it to each other like they were competing for a championship... best play i've seen all year hands down

haha, so youve seen teams sub out their whole lineups in a championship games? MLS may have played that way, Chelsea did not

Us whipping on Chelsea is going to help out with our own citizens who like to hold the EPL over our own league and look down their noses and refuse to watch it

haha since you keep asking everyone else this, did you watch the game? There was no whipping done by anybody.

Fact remains that the MLS is a second, maybe third tier league and will never compare to the Premier League, La Liga, or Serie A


now when Real Madrid kicks the **** out of 'Real' Salt Lake this weekend will you admit that?



oh and Drogba wasnt offsides, every replay shows that, 1-1

[Kazan]

hah.. ok wanker "subbed out the entire lineup" with a sub cap.. yup and your "some scrub you've never heard of" is still a chelsea FC player - a team who's payroll exceeds the total payroll for ATLEAST half our league.  3rd tier? dream on USA-soccer-hater.. 2nd tier I'll give you right now.. but give us 10 years and we can be right on the same standing as the EPL - over $1b in investment in the league has been announced in the last year - and they just struck a deal with ABC/ESPN to receive fees for the broadcast rights for the first time - ESPN2 on thursdays starting next year, Fox Soccer channel (Which until now had been refusing to pay for MSL since they had the USA rights to EPL) just signed up to pay for the saturday games.

Our Allstars - missing some of their best players (LD, Dempsey, Pope, ...) defeating the best team money can buy is just another sign that MLS is getting better.  You should be happy for me, and Chelsea fans should be complimented that MLS fans have so much respect for Chelsea that we are using you guys as a yard stick of quality.

[Night Hammer]

hah.. ok wanker "subbed out the entire lineup" with a sub cap.. yup and your "some scrub you've never heard of" is still a chelsea FC player - a team who's payroll exceeds the total payroll for ATLEAST half our league.  3rd tier? dream on USA-soccer-hater.. 2nd tier I'll give you right now.. but give us 10 years and we can be right on the same standing as the EPL - over $1b in investment in the league has been announced in the last year - and they just struck a deal with ABC/ESPN to receive fees for the broadcast rights for the first time - ESPN2 on thursdays starting next year, Fox Soccer channel (Which until now had been refusing to pay for MSL since they had the USA rights to EPL) just signed up to pay for the saturday games.

Our Allstars - missing some of their best players (LD, Dempsey, Pope, ...) defeating the best team money can buy is just another sign that MLS is getting better.  You should be happy for me, and Chelsea fans should be complimented that MLS fans have so much respect for Chelsea that we are using you guys as a yard stick of quality.

there was no sub cap you ****up, go look at the stats

you say yourself that it wasnt Peter Cech in goal when they scored, and that they also were palying like it was a championship? Way to contradict yourself there. If it were a real game Cech would have never left the field

im not downing the mls in anyway, matter of fact my second line was congrats for winning, but 9 times out of 10 that "all-star" team would lose to Chelsea. Also just because they have the top payroll means absolutly nothing, looks at the New York Knicks and Yankess, but ok, keep hiding behind that.

Im not a US soccer hater, im realisitc, grow up, just because someone disagrees with you doesnt mean theyre a hater. The MLS will never be on the EPL's level becuase it will never get the financial backing from its owners. Woopty doo they got an ESPN2 deal, so does the World Series of Darts, and the Professional Bowling Association, hell one morning I saw Women's badminton, good argument there.

and id like to let you know your use of the word wanker, from an American, is comedy gold for the rest of the forum, keep saying it you make us laugh our ass off everytime you do

[Kazan]

you say yourself that it wasnt Peter Cech in goal when they scored, and that they also were palying like it was a championship? Way to contradict yourself there. If it were a real game Cech would have never left the field

actually I didn't say that, i just took your statement without question because I didn't CARE who waas in goal - the chelsea third ranked keeper is probably paid more a year than all the keepers in MLS combined

I'm saying it doesn't matter WHO was in goal for Chelsea - it's still a Chelsea player, and Chelsea is the best team money can buy - 16/23 players are WC06 alumni

im not downing the mls in anyway, matter of fact my second line was congrats for winning, but 9 times out of 10 that "all-star" team would lose to Chelsea. Also just because they have the top payroll means absolutly nothing, looks at the New York Knicks and Yankess, but ok, keep hiding behind that.

knicks? yankees? who are these teams of whom you speak? (ok i know the yankees are a yawnball team)

Im not a US soccer hater, im realisitc, grow up,

even suggesting that MLS is a third-rate league is not realistic.. second rate absolutely, but no way in hell third rate, and to state that we cannot improve into a first rate league is absolutely assinine to the point of bias

just because someone disagrees with you doesnt mean theyre a hater.

no, it doesn't - it's when that person is talking out of their ass because their face knows better

The MLS will never be on the EPL's level becuase it will never get the financial backing from its owners.

$1b in total investment into the league has been announced recently.  Like you said before - money isn't everything - but it sure does help.  Our league is going to be actively marketed and promoted, which can only bring more money and more talent.  In 10 years we can be up to EPL quality, in 20 years i bet we can change that to will be.

and id like to let you know your use of the word wanker, from an American, is comedy gold for the rest of the forum, keep saying it you make us laugh our ass off everytime you do

your stupidity and arrogance in dismissing MLS as possibly third rate, and incapable of improving to EPL quality is even more comedy gold.  As for saying wanker, i just thought I'd speak to you in your own slang - i've been talking to brits online a lot and now face to face one guy who came to all our local games, so we were using british slang to get around busybody mummies who didn't like us singing swear words in our songs.

so - sod off

[Night Hammer]

first of all, you've got me mistaken for a Brit, Im from Texas.

actually I didn't say that, i just took your statement without question because I didn't CARE who waas in goal - the chelsea third ranked keeper is probably paid more a year than all the keepers in MLS combined

I'm saying it doesn't matter WHO was in goal for Chelsea - it's still a Chelsea player, and Chelsea is the best team money can buy

So what youre telling me is that my little cousin couldve been in goal for chelsea but since they have financial backing it wouldve been as impressive for the MLS?

$1b in total investment into the league has been announced recently

Is that going to signing big named players/coaches or into the marketing/ads you mentioned? Because it can market all it wants, if it doesnt put money into the things that matters it wont get any better

In 10 years we can be up to EPL quality, in 20 years i bet we can change that to will be.

MLS has been around what? almost 10 years now, Ive been hearing the same things since it launched, blahblah

your stupidity and arrogance in dismissing MLS as possibly third rate, and incapable of improving to EPL quality is even more comedy gold

until it proves itself at the team level(not 'all-star' teams) against other teams on the planet it will be a lower level league. Team by Team they dont stack up to the rest of the world. Even the allstar team would be near the bottom half of the EPL/Primera/Serie A. Do they even have a spot in the Western Hemisphere version of Champs league(Copa Libersomthing?)? or are they just done when MLS playoffs are over?

[Kazan]

So what youre telling me is that my little cousin couldve been in goal for chelsea but since they have financial backing it wouldve been as impressive for the MLS?

don't be obtuse - you know damn well they pay that much because they're paying for talent.

Is that going to signing big named players/coaches or into the marketing/ads you mentioned? Because it can market all it wants, if it doesnt put money into the things that matters it wont get any better

are you stuck? or just stupid?

Money into pockets from increased attendance, viewship and merchandise as the result of marketing and promotion (and promotion deals) means more money in the pockets of the teams to pay players and develop talent - along with a change in the recruiting rules where teams like Chicago who have youth academics can sign players straight out of their academy will be a big help

MLS has been around what? almost 10 years now, Ive been hearing the same things since it launched, blahblah

blah blah you know don't anything about us soccer blah blah you cannot even get your soccer regions straight foo bar balh blah

your stupidity and arrogance in dismissing MLS as possibly third rate, and incapable of improving to EPL quality is even more comedy gold

there is no Champions league here* - Copa Libertadores is CONMEBOL not CONCACAF region. 

They're supposedly forming an MLS/Mexican Football League champions league partnership.. but being that it doesn't have CONCACAF behind it like the European Champions League has EUFA behind it ... *shrug* plus some spanish language channel has exclusive rights.


*(there is the CONCACAF Champions' Cup but nobody takes that seriously - DC United won CC in 1998, la galaxy in 2000, chicago fire came in 3rd in 1999 and 2004, DC united was 4th in 1999, 2000 and 2005; KC wizards 4th in 2002)

[aldo_14]

Barcelona just drew 1-1 with Chivas.  Does that make the Mexican league as good as the Primera Liga?

[Night Hammer]

So what youre telling me is that my little cousin couldve been in goal for chelsea but since they have financial backing it wouldve been as impressive for the MLS?

don't be obtuse - you know damn well they pay that much because they're paying for talent.
i wouldnt imagine them paying that much for a backup goalie

Is that going to signing big named players/coaches or into the marketing/ads you mentioned? Because it can market all it wants, if it doesnt put money into the things that matters it wont get any better

are you stuck? or just stupid?haha i dont know, are you?

Money into pockets from increased attendance, viewship and merchandise as the result of marketing and promotion (and promotion deals) means more money in the pockets of the teams to pay players and develop talent - along with a change in the recruiting rules where teams like Chicago who have youth academics can sign players straight out of their academy will be a big help
it might mean all that, but more than likly will mean lost money

MLS has been around what? almost 10 years now, Ive been hearing the same things since it launched, blahblah

blah blah you know don't anything about us soccer blah blah you cannot even get your soccer regions straight foo bar balh blah
ooo nice, real nice one there,  what does that even have to do with what i said

your stupidity and arrogance in dismissing MLS as possibly third rate, and incapable of improving to EPL quality is even more comedy gold

there is no Champions league here* - Copa Libertadores is CONMEBOL not CONCACAF region. 

They're supposedly forming an MLS/Mexican Football League champions league partnership.. but being that it doesn't have CONCACAF behind it like the European Champions League has EUFA behind it ... *shrug* plus some spanish language channel has exclusive rights.


*(there is the CONCACAF Champions' Cup but nobody takes that seriously - DC United won CC in 1998, la galaxy in 2000, chicago fire came in 3rd in 1999 and 2004, DC united was 4th in 1999, 2000 and 2005; KC wizards 4th in 2002)
its not taken seriously because noone respects USA soccer, because on a team by team level they cant compete, are you stuck? or just stupid?

[Kazan]

it's not taken seriously because it doesn't have a serious reward for the winner you ****ing idiot. 

You're what we call "a eurosnob" you know exactly **** about MLS and yet you're more than happy to constantly bash on it - you've proven that you're an idiot with your "just wasted money comment" as you clearly show NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT EVEN MAKES A LEAGUE GREAT AT ALL.

Once you learn a thing or two about soccer, we'll talk - until then **** off.

[Kazan]

this is what pisses off US soccer fans the most - US citizens who are soccer fans that don't even engage brain in relation to our own league, they just dismiss it offhand - and when you cite things that are signs of improvement, and methods of enabling/stimulating further improvement they demonstrate their ignorance in how to run a team PERIOD.

I used his own argument against him and then he dimsissed it - he said the MLS couldn't get as good as the EPL because their wasn't the investment, when I point out the investment and some rule changes that will allow upward development he dismisses it as probably wasted money - in a league that has a history of upward battle from absolutely nothing to now signing a 3 year deal for ABC/ESPN to purchase broadcast rights.

I'll gladly have a civil discussion with anyone who wants to use their brain, but anyone who wants to engage in stupidity like what he's engaging in - go somewhere else, the naysayers don't get the judge the league since every one of your naysaying predictions has been wrong - if even 1/10th had been right the league wouldn't have survived a year, wouldn't be making enough money to justify the construction of $50million+ stadiums, and wouldn't be getting paid for broadcast rights.

[Night Hammer]

read what i said, not what you want to hear you moron. I didnt personally attack you but obviosuly youre such a ****ing prick thats what you have to resort to. Now back to the argument at hand you ****up

youre what the world calls a 'stupid american' and you fit the description well.

what makes a league great is good competition, name recogniztion, games that matter, stuff the MLS doesnt have. I know plenty about the MLS, my family has had season tieckts to Dallas Burn/FC Dallas for the past 5 year and ive been to as many games as I could manage. Nice try though

Yes i dismiseed your argument about the investment because it wont go straight into player signing/development, it almost never does. The same thing is happening to the WNBA now. Theyre throwing all kinds of ad money and the league is just treading water. (Oh and they have a deal with ESPN/ABC, doing them a world of good). Just because they have a great stadium/infrastructure doesnt mean the team will be any good, it takes getting the worlds best to come and play in our country. Even our best players dont want to play here, what makes you think the world's best do. May get lucky and snag some players about to retire liek they did back in the 70's (Pele, Beckenbauer), like ive heard rumors of Ronaldo and Beckham coming to RBNY, but until you grab some of the worlds best it will continue to be a lower tier league

[Kazan]

youre what the world calls a 'stupid american' and you fit the description well.

actually, no i'm not.  I'm much more informed about world affairs and culture than most 10 americans combined, up until your last post you didn't justify any of your statements you just ran your mouth like the blind MLS haters do.  I've been to europe, I speak a european language (not as well as I used to though), and I've more than once considered moving over there.  also.. i didn't vote for G. W. Fascist

what makes a league great is good competition, name recogniztion, games that matter, stuff the MLS doesnt have. I know plenty about the MLS, my family has had season tieckts to Dallas Burn/FC Dallas for the past 5 year and ive been to as many games as I could manage. Nice try though

I agree 100% that the regulation season play doesn't matter enough because of the way the championship works - they need to eliminate that and make it top of the table from east v top of the table from west.

we most certainly do need more name recognition - more big stars - more promotion and advertising will help with this becauswe they can pay more from receiving more revenue.  Also being able to recruit from their own youth program directly will help with encouraging player development.

Since you do attend MLS games I retract my statement that you are a eurosnob with my sincerist apologies.  gratz on t he good season btw - us Fire fans have had to struggle through this season, and from what i'm told security at the new stadium are dicks.

Yes i dismiseed your argument about the investment because it wont go straight into player signing/development, it almost never does.

of course it doesn't go directly to the player, but it does allow the teams bigger pocket books that an able manager can work with.  You should see what the manager of my local PDL team can pull off on a shoestring budget (Des Moines Menace) - he knew nothing about soccer when the team hired him and the coach, players and fan club taught him and now he's one awesome manager.  They're trying to get a stadium built, then they'd go USL 1 (keep the current PDL squad as the reserves) with a 6k seaker stadium (with a very nice design)

The same thing is happening to the WNBA now. Theyre throwing all kinds of ad money and the league is just treading water. (Oh and they have a deal with ESPN/ABC, doing them a world of good).

that's because it's freaking basketball one of the ESPN executives is a big soccer fan - attended 17 WC06 matches, and sounds rather excited about the deal.  Thursday night ESPN2 timeslot with occasional ABC time (opener, allstar game, final) won't be bad at all.

Just because they have a great stadium/infrastructure doesnt mean the team will be any good, it takes getting the worlds best to come and play in our country.

doesn't take the worlds best, but it does take a good team.  You're absolutely right a great stadium and infrastructure doesn't make a team, but it certainly helps with the financial stability of the team so that the manager can be more concerned with kicking the coach's and player's arses and getting them to perform.

Even our best players dont want to play here, what makes you think the world's best do.

actually our best players mostly don't play here because the foreign teams pay more - one of the signs of the league improvement down the road is when we can start bringing these guys back and developing more talent organically. 

May get lucky and snag some players about to retire liek they did back in the 70's (Pele, Beckenbauer), like ive heard rumors of Ronaldo and Beckham coming to RBNY, but until you grab some of the worlds best it will continue to be a lower tier league

Indeed - like i said we're 2nd tier, we're most certainly not 3rd tier, but neither are we 1st tier.  We're 2nd tier.  As far as I'm concerned Beckham can **** off.  I'll definantly take Ronaldo though.  However we want to get the big players while they're in their prime, not when they're winding down their carriers - we don't want to be the retirement league.

[Night Hammer]

youre what the world calls a 'stupid american' and you fit the description well.

actually, no i'm not.  I'm much more informed about world affairs and culture than most 10 americans combined, up until your last post you didn't justify any of your statements you just ran your mouth like the blind MLS haters do.  I've been to europe, I speak a european language (not as well as I used to though), and I've more than once considered moving over there.  also.. i didn't vote for G. W. Fascist

i didnt actually mean in the ignorant sense, i meant in the overconfident, 'we rule at everything' mentality(which on most counts im guilty of as well)

leave the politics outta this, its sports man

[Kazan]

youre what the world calls a 'stupid american' and you fit the description well.

actually, no i'm not.  I'm much more informed about world affairs and culture than most 10 americans combined, up until your last post you didn't justify any of your statements you just ran your mouth like the blind MLS haters do.  I've been to europe, I speak a european language (not as well as I used to though), and I've more than once considered moving over there.  also.. i didn't vote for G. W. Fascist

i didnt actually mean in the ignorant sense, i meant in the overconfident, 'we rule at everything' mentality(which on most counts im guilty of as well)

leave the politics outta this, its sports man

well i never said we were best at everything - i said we were a second rate league, but definantly not a 1st, and that we have potential

[aldo_14]

Does this make the MLS almost as good as the SPL, then?

[Kazan]

SPL?

PS: would you unignore me on icq already dude.. world cup is long since over

[aldo_14]

SPL?

Scottish Premier League.

Celtic just drew 1-1 in a friendly at Stamford Bridge.  Which technically makes Hearts better than Celtic.  And in turn surely implies St. Mirren are the best team in the world.

PS: would you unignore me on icq already dude.. world cup is long since over

mmmm... no.  I (this may shock you) have very little free time for IM, and seeing as the only 2 or 3 times you contacted me have been to a) moan or b) insult me, I see no good reason to do so.

[Kazan]

mmmm... no.  I (this may shock you) have very little free time for IM, and seeing as the only 2 or 3 times you contacted me have been to a) moan or b) insult me, I see no good reason to do so.