[Ford Prefect]

America is the way it is not by the grace of some magical god, but by our own work

Well, technically, America is the way it is because a lot of people came (or were forced) here from other countries to do our work and be treated like ****.

[Mefustae]

Well who do you think first kidnapped and whipped those slaves into working? It's harder than it looks, y'know!

[Bobboau]

I'm sure the slaves made such a huge increasable vast change in the future of the country that led to us being the dominant power in the world and Mexico being impoverished, not only that but our use of slaves 200 years ago is in fact the reason why Mexico ended up poor, because you know they did not use any slaves back then because they weren't allowed to and we were, so, yeah I guess that totally makes Mexico's situation totally our fault and we should just let everyone in Mexico move into the US and have our land take our jobs, use our schools, and hospitals, be rescued by our police and fire departments, vote in our elections, decide public policy, yes, lets let the Mexicans dictate our domestic policy, cause they sure did a better job in there country if it just wasn't for our damned slaves the roles would be reversed!

Well who do you think first kidnapped and whipped those slaves into working? It's harder than it looks, y'know!

that would be Africans by the way.

[Ford Prefect]

I'm sure the slaves made such a huge increasable vast change in the future of the country that led to us being the dominant power in the world and Mexico being impoverished, not only that but our use of slaves 200 years ago is in fact the reason why Mexico ended up poor, because you know they did not use any slaves back then because they weren't allowed to and we were, so, yeah I guess that totally makes Mexico's situation totally our fault and we should just let everyone in Mexico move into the US and have our land take our jobs, use our schools, and hospitals, be rescued by our police and fire departments, vote in our elections, decide public policy, yes, lets let the Mexicans dictate our domestic policy, cause they sure did a better job in there country if it just wasn't for our damned slaves the roles would be reversed!

I said nothing of the sort. You said that America got to be the way it is through its own hard work, and I'm saying that no society develops in a vacuum. America became powerful and prosperous through the exploitation and subjugation of other groups of people. I'm not trying to condemn the U.S.-- that's just a fact. We weren't the first and we won't be the last. We didn't "make our own way"-- that's a product of our mythology-- we were formed by the convergence of people, often in the context of cultural, political, and racial hegemony. Thus, citing our country as an example of "up-by-your-bootstraps" autonomy is inaccurate. America owes itself to fortunate circumstances and to the rest of the world. So on what grounds can we expect another country to fix itself purely by the virtue of hard work?  Again, I'm taking no position regarding what should be done, only on what is. It doesn't matter to me what your views on the immigration issue are.

[Scuddie]

Now is the time I point out that I dont care.  Every major power in history was built by taking advantage of slaves, or by taking advantage of the people that resided before them.  Every single one.

EDIT:  Blast!  Instaposted!

[aldo_14]

I don't blame them, your right, I would do the same, but still, we can't just absorb everybody. they need to fix there own problem, we _cannot_ handle all of Mexico moving to America. it's not so much a matter of right as it is simple reality, if this flood continues it's going to have major catastrophic problems for the country economic, social, political, then were both up a **** creek, and I'm sorry I'm not going to sacrifice my country for there short term gain. America is the way it is not by the grace of some magical god, but by our own work, 100 years ago the difference between our countries wasn't that big, same with Canada, now what? were doing great, Canada's doing fine, there ****ed. don't give me any of that "capitalistemperialist" bull****, if Canada was able to survive in the state it is then Mexico should be able to also, we shouldn't have to suffer due to there poor choices, there problems will not be solved by running away, only by standing up and fixing it themselves.

Observation; America was founded by immigrants and has one of the lowest population densities of the the world. 

[Nuke]

mexicans have a serious work ethic when you think about it. theyl work their ass off to fead their families. the very fact that they will sneak across a border to find work in amazing. with a work ethic like that im suprised mexico isnt much richer, seriously whats holding them back?