[Dan1]

Ok how bout this.
Earth jumpnode stabilized and somehow Earth was back in the picture in FS2 in a positive way.  Had a set at the security council/general assembly. 

Wonder what difference it would have made in the NTF rebellion if there even would have been one.   

OR

Earth had never gotten cutoff from the rest of the galaxy, but assuming FS2 storyline stands in that the GTVA is formed.

How would these scenarios play out?  With the NTF/ Shivans..any difference you think?

[achtung]

If Earth had been back in the picture, or had always been in the picture before the formation of the NTF, the NTF wouldn't have existed.

[spartan_0214]

1) The node destabilized because we destroyed the Lucy as it was coming out. If that node wasn't destabilized, there wouldn't BE an Earth.

2) Probably no change there, expcept we wouldn't have to fight the EA in Inferno (poor Woo)

[Dan1]

1) The node destabilized because we destroyed the Lucy as it was coming out. If that node wasn't destabilized, there wouldn't BE an Earth.

2) Probably no change there, expcept we wouldn't have to fight the EA in Inferno (poor Woo)

I'm not quite sure I understand number one,  I thought nodes stabalize and destabalize randomly sometimes, say it was destabalized but after a year or so it fixed itself.   

In a year, or even 5 to 10 would be well before NTF.  The GTVA would have been formed (if the 5-10 year) and the Collie already underway.  Heck most/all of the decent innovation came from Earth based research in FS1.  Earth scientists seemed to have a knack for improving/modifying weaponry and ships to fit their needs (note speed at which shields were tested, made, and fitted onto all existing fighters...which would not be an easy feat simply due to the numbers.  I wonder what they could have done with PDL's  and beams.  Maybe manuverable figherdrones with subsystem disruptors that target the subsystems on a particular ship.  Cheap and expendable.

[Dark Hunter]

Most jump nodes do stabilize/destabilize randomly, though the major nodes that are used for interstellar travel have been around for thousands of years and will continue to be around for a long time to come.

However, a really massive explosion taking place inside a jump node (like the Lucy going pear-shaped as it entered Sol) can collapse the node before its time. That's what happened to the Sol node. Knossos devices are the only known objects capable of repairing a collapsed node (AFAIK, they cannot actually create a node, only stabilize a pre-existing, but too dangerous to travel, node).

[Polpolion]

I suppose it is possible for a node to randomly spawn connecting Sol to the rest of the galaxy. Most likely, it wouldn't connect it to Delta Serpentis again.

Again, the NTF would have never existed. Bosch, though may find a different way to work with ETAK. But still, that would delay the Shivan invasion at least five or six years, as Bosch would need to work in secret (because IIRC, I borrows work from the old GTI...), and he would need to find people he trusted to crew the Iceni. Perhaps he would settle for something much smaller, say cruiser or maybe a heavy cruiser. You would have to understand that he wouldn't quite have the same resources as he did with the NTF, but he would have the time he didn't get with them.

[Bob-san]

The real question with the collapsed node is not if a node in GTVA systems appeared... it would be from Sol... where would that (new) node lead? We can only guess that it will be one of several billion other stars... the only thing we can do to wait for Sol to accessable from GTVA space is to build a Knossos or wait for Sol/Delta Serpentis to stabilize...

I find myself asking... what will happen to the systems cutoff from the GTVA, past Capella? We know some Shivan Sathanas were destroyed, but we also guess some jumped to some far-off system... but where? Not like they can send a cruiser among 40-80 juggernauts... not only is it a dangerous nebulae, but also a cruiser can't stand up to a SJ!

Anyways... I would rather be on Earth, waiting for a new node, then to be in the GTVA during conflict...

[THE N00B]

You would have to understand that he wouldn't quite have the same resources as he did with the NTF, but he would have the time he didn't get with them.

Perhaps he has?
Under the Earth-Gouverment the GTA will perhaps be interrestet by a way to spam the Shivans to Death. (Sry for the Joke)

[Unknown Target]

1) The node destabilized because we destroyed the Lucy as it was coming out. If that node wasn't destabilized, there wouldn't BE an Earth.

2) Probably no change there, expcept we wouldn't have to fight the EA in Inferno (poor Woo)

1) That's not true - the node collapsed because the Lucy was destroyed, not the other way around.

2) There probably wouldn't have been much of a difference. The Sol system probably has a large production capability, so there would have been a few more warships (and probably the 1st fleet - IIRC that's the fleet stationed in Sol), but in the grand scheme of things, there probably would not have een a huge difference.

[Crymson]

Ahh...I do think that Earth would be friendly to the GTVA in any case....Maybe even recognizing them as it's own independant nation and then joining the alliance themselves perhaps? Though history shows nations not wanting to get rid of colonies, hello America. So perhaps they would fight to(peaceful fight) to try and get the Terran part of the GTVA to once again become subserveant to Earth.

I would hope though that they kept the name for the alliance

But, I'd almost be glad that the jump node to Earth was severed. Because otherwise they would still be vulnerable to attack, the biggest Terran cultural achievements are all their and it's their history, and their capital.

Also I think you're all disagreeing but essentially your all agreeing, that destroying the Lucifer destroyed the node and that....wait nvm...I now see the dilemna, perhaps they did destroy the node from the inside to destroy Lucifer that was inside the node...

But anyways, as long as the ship was inside it, whatever ship goes down with the node and the node goes down with whatever ship blows up inside it, so yeah. At least that's how I see things, never played the first FS.

[spartan_0214]

1) That's not true - the node collapsed because the Lucy was destroyed, not the other way around.

that's what I said....

[Unknown Target]

No, you said this:

1) The node destabilized because we destroyed the Lucy as it was coming out. If that node wasn't destabilized, there wouldn't BE an Earth.

You said: The node destabalized because we destroyed the Lucy as it was coming out.
True.

If that node wasn't destabilized, there wouldn't BE an Earth.
False. There would still be an Earth if the node wasn't destabilized.

[Dylnuge]

No, you said this:

1) The node destabilized because we destroyed the Lucy as it was coming out. If that node wasn't destabilized, there wouldn't BE an Earth.

You said: The node destabalized because we destroyed the Lucy as it was coming out.
True.

If that node wasn't destabilized, there wouldn't BE an Earth.
False. There would still be an Earth if the node wasn't destabilized.

I get the meaning behing this. According to FS Universe Physics, any time a Destroyer Class or higher is destroyed in subspace, the node is also destroyed. Since the Lucifer had to be tracked through subspace and destroyed inside subspace, the subspace node had to be destroyed (otherwise, FS Physics would be different, and then this whold discussion would be gone).

However, it is possible to change the node. The Lucifer was technicaly destroyed at the last possible second (during emergance from the Delta Serpentis-Sol node). If it had been destroyed earlier, such as, say, the Beta Aqualie-Delta Serpentis. What spartan is saying is that, excluding this possiblity, it was absolutly nessicary to destroy the Lucy in subspace, and the destruction of any cap ship in subspace would have closed the node.

PS: Anyone else wonder why the Lucifer was the only shielded destroyer that the Shivans developed? A shielded Sahathans would have made mincemeat out of the GTVA (not to mention 100 shielded Sahathans).

[Dark Hunter]

80-some-odd unshielded Sathanas made mincemeat out of the GTVA.

Actually, I don't think destroying ships within the subspace corridor does anything. It's only if the ship is halfway in/out of a jump that it really affects anything, like when the Lucy exploded, and when the Meson Bomb-loaded Bastion did the same.

Then again, the only ships I've seen destroyed completely in the subspace tunnel are in fan made campaigns... so my argument might not be sound...