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Middle-East History in 90 Seconds
on: December 14, 2006, 06:40:10 pm
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Re: Middle-East History in 90 Seconds
Reply #1 on: December 14, 2006, 07:15:56 pm
Damn, the Seljuks had a good thing going there. One interesting thing is to see how many empires controled discontinous territory. Like there are big holes in their territorial boundaries, which I guess would be inhospitable or uninhabited places like the Sahara or Negev.

I guess they could also add modern incarnations of the Persian Empire or Crusader Kingdoms, depending on who you ask ;);)
 

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Re: Middle-East History in 90 Seconds
Reply #2 on: December 14, 2006, 07:19:03 pm
You list the Negev in the same breath as the Sahara?? Slight difference of scale there... ;)
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Re: Middle-East History in 90 Seconds
Reply #3 on: December 14, 2006, 07:25:14 pm
Well...they're both deserts, aren't they? With sand? Truthfully, I don't really know with any accuracy how big either of those two are, though of course I imagine the Sahara is quite a bit bigger.
 

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Re: Middle-East History in 90 Seconds
Reply #4 on: December 15, 2006, 06:50:37 am
Nice, shame its not continuous though, be nice to see all the various nations in interaction with each other. Middle east has such a depth of documented history, all of it violent, the best type.
 

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Reply #5 on: December 15, 2006, 02:59:45 pm
First time I fully realise the scale of the Mongoloid Empire, which is FRIKKIN' huge. :O


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Re: Middle-East History in 90 Seconds
Reply #6 on: December 15, 2006, 04:17:12 pm
I have seen a lot of different spellings of saladin

good to know it isn't just dumb americans who go with the hyper phoenetic one
 

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Re: Middle-East History in 90 Seconds
Reply #7 on: December 15, 2006, 04:23:26 pm
Wow, some of those empires were simply massive. I didn't realize how far the Roman empire stretched.
 

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Re: Middle-East History in 90 Seconds
Reply #8 on: December 15, 2006, 06:33:50 pm
Quote from: Rictor on December 14, 2006, 07:25:14 pm
Well...they're both deserts, aren't they? With sand? Truthfully, I don't really know with any accuracy how big either of those two are, though of course I imagine the Sahara is quite a bit bigger.

The Sahara has sand (I presume); the Negev has soil that lacks decent rainfall.

The Sahara is over 3.5 million square miles. For comparison, the USA is 3.7 million square miles.

The Negev is around ~5 thousand square miles. For comparison, it is basically half of Israel's land area. Israel is approximately the same size as Pennsylvania.
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Re: Middle-East History in 90 Seconds
Reply #9 on: December 15, 2006, 09:45:35 pm
Quote from: Fragrag on December 15, 2006, 02:59:45 pm
First time I fully realise the scale of the Mongoloid Empire, which is FRIKKIN' huge. :O
The empire of fruit cups and short buses?
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Re: Middle-East History in 90 Seconds
Reply #10 on: December 15, 2006, 10:42:24 pm
Beat me to it.

But really, is anyone suprised by the success of the Mongoloid Empire? After all, they did have retard strength. Who wouldn't get freaked out seeing a horde of towering foreheads charging at them, ready to strike down everything in its path.
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