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Saitek x52 HOTAS - looking for config help
I am relatively new to FS2 and have never owned a HOTAS before today.  Picked it up on a sweet boxing day special.

I am looking for a FS2 Open profile or help on what buttons to map to my stick and throttle.  The toggle buttons seem to be naturally meant for energy management but what about the rest?  I am hoping to not have to touch the keyboard at all after configuring it.

The x52's throttle has a popping feel at 90% that is meant for afterburner according to Saitek propaganda.  Is there any way to use this feature in freespace?

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Re: Saitek x52 HOTAS - looking for config help


Welcome! Someone could confuse you with Darth DySkO.


Are you sure you aren't able to config everything by yourself?
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Re: Saitek x52 HOTAS - looking for config help
I am looking for suggestions.  I've never used a throttle and stick like this before so I haven't a clue what best practices would be.

Actually maybe I cannot.  I cannot seem to assign buttons 30-34.  These are some of the buttons on the throttle control.

Any ideas?
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Re: Saitek x52 HOTAS - looking for config help
I've got the thumb button with the Flip cover as my secondary fire button.  The lower thumb hat I use for views and the upper left one I've got into 4 functions (equalize shields, equalize energy, y-target, and "ignore my target"), while the hat on the throttle I've got into 4 buttons as well (cycle primaries, cycle secondaries, cycle twin secondary, and subsystem targeting).  The two smaller thumb buttons on the right I've got for hostile and bomb targeting, while the flat button on the left side of the stick, I've got set as countermeasures.  The pinkie trigger is what I've got set as reverse thrust, to help in rapid decel.  The two thumb switches on the throttle I've got set as afterburner and support-ship request.  I think I had the upper stick hat with some alternate functions thanks to the mode switch feature, but I don't use 'em so much.  Oh, and I had the 3 switches on the stick base set to ETS obviously.

On another note, for anyone interested in purchasing an X52, here are my concerns about the stick.  You'll find the stick itself is low on resistance, so it's a bit "floaty".  I overcame that somewhat by turning the deadzone to minimal in both the stick's software, and in FSO, but its still looser than I'd like.  The second is the hand grip.  I find that my hand can't stay gripped to the stick the way I'd like, during prolonged, intensive maneuvers.  For the former however, there is a solution on the horizon.  Apparently Saitek is preparing an improved model, designated X52 Pro.  The description indicates greater tension for the center spring, so the "floaty" thing should be minimized.  Unfortunately, the hand grip seems to be the same as the standard X52.  The X52 Pro is listed as "coming soon" from the product selector page.

Personally, what I'd like is a more ergonomic hand grip for the stick, an actual clamp option to anchor both the stick and throttle bases, perhaps a mini-spread of the toggle switches, on the stick itself, remove the gimmicky fire button protector, and add some force feedback into the tension.  Now, I have had some unfortunate experiences with force feedback in joysticks, but those were mainly from Logitech series, in which the FF unit would routinely overheat and eventually start popping out, cutting out, or outright failing.  I also had instances of the tension bands that provide both FF and center-spring (FF-in passive mode you might say), breaking completely, making the stick even more "floaty" than the X52.  That said, I'm guessing that this implementation of Force Feedback has improved since the series I used, so such units may be able to function with less heat production, resulting in less wear on the pulleys (or whatever they use), leading to longer lasting, more trouble-free use.  If that's the case, then I welcome such implementation on a stick of my dreams... even if it has to have a cooling fan and radiators.
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Re: Saitek x52 HOTAS - looking for config help
Do you use the Saitek profile software or FS2 to do most of the mappings?  I am currently trying the SST profiling package.  However qI cannot figure out how I can map the throttle "i" button.  I am hoping I can as it is in a rather convenient location.

Have you found a use for the second trigger?  I wish it could be used to fire both banks.   How about the mouse or scroll wheel on the throttle?

I agree that the stick is looser than others I've used but I don't know yet that I don't like it.  The x52 is definitely a fine piece of kit though!

The two holes in the corners of each unit look like they could be used to screw down the units.  Its no clamp but had you considered doing that?

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Re: Saitek x52 HOTAS - looking for config help
Well, the "i" button doesn't seem to do anything that can be binded.  I think that its designed to trigger some kind of player-to-player voice system.  As for the 2 thumb wheels and the index finger wheel on the throttle, FS doesn't seem to recognize them.  Furthermore, I'm not sure what I'd bind them even if I could.  The mouse thing just controls... well, the mouse pointer, though my computer's mouse will do the same.  As for my profile, I've got a combination of button binding within FS, and profile binding with the Saitek software.
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Re: Saitek x52 HOTAS - looking for config help
It turns out that the button is called the clutch button and it is used for changing profiles on the fly.  Well I don't have a need for that so I've followed these instructions http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=9744  I've tried it and FS2_Open does let you select button 30 which is the clutch.

The mouse stick on the throttle can be assigned as a mouse, axes, or buttons through the Saitek software.  I changed it to axes because the mouse bothered me.

I've been thinking of assigning the wheels and precision slider using banding but cannot find a control that works like radio buttons.  For instance if I banded the precision slider into 25% bands and then assigned the bands to 4 controls that switch from each other...  That would work for weapon selection in a first person shooter but I cannot think of any controls that work like that in FS2.

 

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Re: Saitek x52 HOTAS - looking for config help
Somebody's a hardcore gamer! :D

What I have is a Saitek Aviator stick, which doesn't have as many buttons as I'd like (FreeSpace needs lots of buttons!) but does include a hat, three buttons on the stick (not including the trigger), which are set to countermeasures, secondaries, and afterburners, four two-way switches (just like 8 different buttons!) on the base, which are set to target hostile, target HUD-center, target escort, target bomb/bomber, cycle primaries, cycle secondaries, equalize shields, and a button set to nothing. It has a mode switch, which switches functions between three sets, but I use it mainly for activating the subspace drive and for redistributing shields and energy, the latter of which I never use because I play with a keyboard by my side.
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Re: Saitek x52 HOTAS - looking for config help
Thanks guys.  Your suggestions have really helped.  I am closer to having a good setup now.  I am just working through some ideas.  I am trying to find the best ways to make target selection, weapon selection, and shield management easier.

Right now I have:
- the HAT on the throttle controlling weapon selection
- the second HAT on the stick is set up as T,E, N and R for targetting
- button A is H
- button B is F
- button C is Y
- button i (clutch) toggles auto match speed
- mouse button is countermeasures
- button E is equalize shields
- button d is afterburners
- toggle buttons are for for energy management

I am also thinking of setting up pinky+ HAT 1 or 2 will be used for shield reinforcement.  Perhaps the other HAT when shifted can be for wing orders.

I just wish that there was some way that I could use the scroll wheel on the throttle to:
- First scroll button press would start communications
- scroll to select an option such as wing
- press the scroll button to select
- scroll for option such as attack my target
- press scroll button to select.

Thanks,
David