[Snail]

I was thinking about the territories of the Terran blocs after the first Great War but before the formation of the GTVA. The organizations involved were the Adhara Coalition, the Antares Federation, the Luyten New Alliance and the Regulus Syndicate.

So any ideas? Starmaps? Anything?

[MarsNeedsWomen]

Well, where did you get this information? I don't know of any star maps other than that map which shows major subspace nodes connecting the various GTVA systems.

[Snail]

That's what I was doing... I was asking for ideas.

Guess my first post wasn't clear. I was in a hurry.

[MarsNeedsWomen]

Oh so you want ideas for made-up nations. Well I'll have to look at that node map again.

[Snail]

Those nations aren't made up. The AC, AF, LNA and RS are completely canon.

[Black Wolf]

Oh so you want ideas for made-up nations. Well I'll have to look at that node map again.

They're not made up - they're part of FS canon. I just don't think they're a very good part of canon - I get the impression that [V] just picked some good names rather than actually looking at the nodemap - Antares is right next door to Vasuda Prime - no way they'd accept a powerful Terran government, presumably one that controls at least a few surrounding systems - to exist that close. Plus the others are all way away from the Sol - you'd think the most powerful governments would have been those closest to Sol, the most appropriate inheritors of all the old GTAs military and social power?

I suspect that those nations are best thought of as kind of splinter groups - probably minor regional powers which maybe housed shipyards or decent sized colonies or just valuabnle resources - they might have had the power to fracture away while the majority of humanity (population wise if not system numbers wise) remained under a single leadership run from the Delta Serpentis/Beta Aquilae region which was the successor statew to the old GTVA. A lot like the Soviet breakup.

[Snail]

So I guess the GTA is still the most prominent power here?

[Ace]

The GTA collapsed shortly after the Hades Incident. However the Terran Bloc in control of Beta Aquilae and Delta Serpentis was probably the most populous and had the clout to start the GTVA.

[Mad Bomber]

Here's what I have as my personal but well-threshed-out list. It meshes with several major campaigns (Shrouding the Light, Awakenings, etc) and more or less with canon. You can use it if you want.

I make two major stipulations:
1) It took a while (on the order of 3 years or so) for the GTA to finally collapse; holding on to as much order as possible (not to mention the hope of somehow contacting Sol) would be imperative to many people for at least a while.
2) It also took a while to finish ousting the Shivans, due in large part to the massive instability of the shattered Terran Alliance, and the endless attacks on Terran and Vasudan assets, military and civilian, by HOL fanatics.

So you'll notice some of the dates and events I give -- which are intelligent guesses on my part, but most of which are NOT CANON -- may seem much, much later than the ones you're used to thinking.

History is not clean, simple or quick now. It stands to reason that it will not be in the future, either, especially when terrorism and the loss of two homeworlds are involved.


GTA Remnants: (After about mid-October 2338 GTA officially croaks and all Remnants become self-governing)
- Delta Serpentis
- Beta Aquilae (Antarans and Vasudans both try to woo BA, but it remains neutral; hence its suitability as the location for the signing of BETAC)
- Vega (Before '38, jointly held by GTA and PVE; independent 10/38-5/39; willingly becomes Vasudan Imperial protectorate 5/18/39)
- Capella (Same as Vega; becomes Vasudan protectorate 5/21/39)

PVN/Vasudan Imperium: (Khamudi IV assassinated 3/26/39; Khonsu ascends to the throne 3/30/39, barely avoids assassination himself; dissolves Parliament 4/21/39 after over a dozen of them are found guilty of treason, conspiracy and regicide)
- Vasuda
- Deneb
- Aldebaren
- Alpha Centauri
- Altair (HOL schism 3/15/38; moderate factions leave to parts unknown or surrender; Altair retaken by PVN 1/13/39)
- Vega (after 5/18/39; protectorate)
- Capella (after 5/21/39; protectorate)

Uninhabited or too sparsely inhabited to matter until well into the Reconstruction:
- Dubhe
- Alphard
- Ross 128 (Shivan-held pocket until June '38; as seen in Awakenings)
- Gamma Draconis

Luyten New Alliance: (Mar 4, 2335 - Jul 8, 2358)
(cut off from GTA by Shivans in Ross 128, hence the early independence date)
- Luyten
- Wolf 359
- Barnard's Star
- Laramis (Shivan-held pocket until July '38)

Antares Federation: (Aug 22, 2336 - Jul 8, 2358)
(not until '36 since it would have taken a while for the faith in the GTA to officially crack)
- Antares
- Ribos
- Beta Cygni
- Ikeya (Shivan-held until Sep '36)


Regulus Syndicate: (Jul 18, 2335 - Jul 8, 2358)
(dates given are official; unofficial existance started much earlier and is rumored to persist to this day)
- Regulus
- Polaris (Shivan held until 4/37)
- Sirius (Shivan pocket until 3/37; nominally PVN but de facto Regulan until 5/39; ceded to Regulus Syndicate thereafter)


Adharan Coalition: (Mar 10, 2339 - Jul 8, 2358)
(Took a while to get around to clearing the Shivans from that sector of space, wasn't finished until late '38. Adharan colonies were originally Regulan client states; tax-gouging on the Regulans' part led to independence and the Regulan-Adharan War, which the Adharans barely won due to financial assistance on the part of the Antarans and Delta Serpentis, as well as the timely loss of the RSD Lutzen on the other side of an uncharted jump node.)
- Adhara
- Mirfak
- Epsilon Pegasi
- Procyon

[Mad Bomber]

And, yes, I do realize that having actually come up with this makes me an enormous nerd.

[Alikchi]

BTW Mad Bomber has a couple of really good extended descriptions on the Eagle Takes Flight forum.

[Mad Bomber]

And then the topic died.

[Alikchi]

And then the topic died.

Everything I touch.. it burns.

[Snail]

And then the topic died.

Frak it why do all my topics die! I hope they don't frakking die! They deserve to frakking live!

Well anyway, thanks Mad Bomber, I'll use that in my MINIcampaign (probably going to grow ).

Hmm... Well I cans see why the Regulus Syndicate governments went to the NTF because of their instability, but if Capella was so unstable, then how come it became such an important system later?

[Mad Bomber]

Capella was unstable early on simply because it was completely unpopulated after the Shivans came through.

Also, the Regulus Syndicate governments didn't switch over. The ordinary folks were fed up with those corrupt Mafia wannabes, which is one of the reasons the people flocked to Bosch.

A lot of them were also fed up with pirates like the Dread Hand and the North Star Bandits raiding every supply convoy that entered the system. Not to mention all the so-called "mercenaries" in the area, who would very often extort "protection money". Vultures.