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Eat neither sheep nor cats.
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Eat sheep but not cats.
21 (50%)
Eat cats... But not sheep
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Eat both sheep and cats.
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...Or when people cook and eat living animal. They actually do that in somewhere far east... they take some reasonably sized fish and fry it's lower body in boiling oil while it's still alive. Then they bring it to the table, where it still lives a couple dozen minutes while you pick the meat off it's sides.

Nothing unique. Ever heard how lobsters are "fried"? Haven't you been to Wal-Mart and seen the lobster container? What do you think you're supposed to do when you buy one of those? Normally lobsters are fried in boiling water for 2-3 minutes and then served. Which is why they keep the seafood kitchen out of sight in the nicer restaurants.

Neither sheep nor cats. Although it's not really the "killing" part that I care about. If someone shot me and then served me on a plate, I wouldn't care any more than if they'd just shot me and left me there. What vegans and vegetarians are on about is not the killing of animals, but the conditions they're held in beforehand, which is why noone has any idea what they're talking about. Few people would still eat meat if they spent just a day in a meat plant, but most people would rather not look deeper into the issue and would prefer to stick with society's point of view.

 

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(...) eat living animal (...)

Nothing unique. Ever heard how lobsters are "fried"? Haven't you been to Wal-Mart and seen the lobster container? What do you think you're supposed to do when you buy one of those? Normally lobsters are fried in boiling water for 2-3 minutes and then served. Which is why they keep the seafood kitchen out of sight in the nicer restaurants.


Never been to Wal-Mart, never seen a lobster container. But I think you're missing the point here - the crabs die all right, they aren't alive any more when they are served - unlike these fish, which are partially fried so that the meat can be eaten while the vital signs remain even at the table.

Anyway, the nervous system of lobsters is pretty much on the same level as scorpions and spiders. Pain is most likely to them a sense amongst others - a warning sign - and they likely don't really have enough resources to suffer from it. But it's difficult to define the difference between pain and suffering.

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Neither sheep nor cats. Although it's not really the "killing" part that I care about. If someone shot me and then served me on a plate, I wouldn't care any more than if they'd just shot me and left me there. What vegans and vegetarians are on about is not the killing of animals, but the conditions they're held in beforehand, which is why noone has any idea what they're talking about. Few people would still eat meat if they spent just a day in a meat plant, but most people would rather not look deeper into the issue and would prefer to stick with society's point of view.

See no evil, hear no evil, eat no evil, eh?

Some non-meat-eaters don't eat meat for the reason you mentioned, but there are other reasons as well. Personally, I have to agree on the point of the conditions beforehand bothering me way more than actually using the meat of any animals for food because of some moral*/ethical** dilemma of eating fellow beings *chuckle*. The treatment of higher vertebrates is so industrialized that the stress levels of the poor beasts are likely pretty high.

However, I can't really see that me stopping to eat the meat would have much of an effect to anything the meat industry does.


*Moral dilemma would be thinking if something you do is accepted by others (society). This goes on with a lot of young people in schools, so when someone prominent enough becomes a vegan/vegetarian/whatevertarian, it causes people to follow.

**Ethical dilemma would be thinking if you yourself can accept something that you're about to do. This is much more rare than moral dilemmae.
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I think its just culture that defines what is within 'eating limits'. For example, some people eat dogs, grew up eating dogs. So to them there's nothing wrong. Others grow up with dogs as pets, therefore see eating dogs as cruel and barbaric.

And if some culture decides humans are yummy? On what grounds can you than claim that they can't do that?
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And if some culture decides humans are yummy? On what grounds can you than claim that they can't do that?

The grounds that killing humans is going too far. That's all you ****ing need. And if some dip**** comes and says its their cultural right to eat humans then just ****ing shoot them. :rolleyes:

 

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Going to far? Sez who?

You have no scientific proof that humans aren't supposed ot be eaten..and that's just the problem. Things like that are allmost allways a thing of morals...and poeple dont' allways have compatable morals.. sadly..
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And if some culture decides humans are yummy? On what grounds can you than claim that they can't do that?
Strictly speaking, we can't. If they go and kill them first instead of waiting for a person to die naturally, we can scream murder and take the moral high ground. But if they're dead anyway and it's ok in their culture to eat their dead companions, we haven't really got a leg to stand on if we denounce it do we?

That was the intellectual argument. Emotionally, I think it's disgusting. But of course, humans also happen to fit into my "too evolved, do not eat (or otherwise harm)" category.
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Going to far? Sez who?

Sez me.

You don't eat live humans. It doesn't matter what the hell you say, it's just going too far. You can come up with some bull**** indicating that humans have all the necessary vitamins and happen to be the ideal all-round healthy food for eating or whatever, but you just can't eat humans (unless they're already dead, some tribes actually still do that). I do not need an explanation that you cannot kill and eat humans.

Some dip****s are ****ing idioitic, you can eat humans, you can kill some random guy on the street and just eat him. Just ****ing bite me.

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And if some culture decides humans are yummy? On what grounds can you than claim that they can't do that?
Strictly speaking, we can't. If they go and kill them first instead of waiting for a person to die naturally, we can scream murder and take the moral high ground. But if they're dead anyway and it's ok in their culture to eat their dead companions, we haven't really got a leg to stand on if we denounce it do we?

That was the intellectual argument. Emotionally, I think it's disgusting. But of course, humans also happen to fit into my "too evolved, do not eat (or otherwise harm)" category.

Mureder? Only if a specific culture sez it is...For them, killing anyone outside the tribe/community might not constitue as murder.

Of course it's disgusting, but *some* might not think that way...and that's the crux of hte matter...
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I do not need an explanation that you cannot kill and eat humans.

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Just ****ing bite me.

*Finds that comment a lot funnier that Snail probably intended*
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I suppose the thing is for me is that we breed Cows and Sheep specifically for the purpose of eating them, a Domestic Cat is perfectly capable of surviving in a feral environment, a Domestic sheep, on the other hand, is designed to be killed and eaten, it sounds cruel, but that's several thousand years of crossbreeding for you

What about the domestic pig? They can survive in a natural environment too.

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*Finds that comment a lot funnier that Snail probably intended*

Why?

 
Why?


Just ****ing bite me.

Re-evaluate the above statement within the context of this thread.

Laugh heartily. :p
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Snail with lettuce and tatos...mmmmmmmm ;7
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Read the context of the post (cannibalism).

 

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That's the joke. Telling someone to bite you on a thread about cannibalism is pretty funny. You might as well have told them to sauté you in garlic butter. :)
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Yeah but humans cook their food anyway so unless you ordered your dinner rare that's not a huge problem. :p
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Yeah but humans cook their food anyway so unless you ordered your dinner rare that's not a huge problem. :p
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That's the joke. Telling someone to bite you on a thread about cannibalism is pretty funny. You might as well have told them to sauté you in garlic butter. :)

Yeah, that was kind of the point...

Cannibalism is bad m'kay?  :p

Doesn't stop me.