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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: Book advice (sci-fi/fantasy, mainly)
Eddings is ok for the Belgariad/Mallorean, a good series of books, but, as has been said before, the Elenium/Tamuli  struck me as just the Belgariad with a different backdrop, mega-powerful gem, hero who is both a warrior and a mage, guided by a powerful mage, a mighty warrior, a Thief etc, and the exact opposite of the mega-powerful gem being the final confrontation.


It's different enough IMHO... The writing style is very similar, but aside from that there are plenty of differences. Main difference being that Elenium doesn't bother the reader to go through the main character's teenage *****ing and minor ones reaching to theology and stuff. There are similarities, but they are actually more common to the genre than common with each other. Epic fantasy is clichéd to huge extent, it's mainly character differences that make the fights against all those different evils worth reading.

And as far as characters go, Belgarion's companions are not a very deeply developed ones. Sparhawk's company of heroes is actually more interesting than Belgarion's... Not by much, but still. If only the Tamuli trilogy didn't have such happy cuddly ending with pretty much everyone living happily ever after in true Hollywood style, it would be better than Malloreon by a long shot. For making trolls so cool, if not for any other reason. But I gotta admit, the whole Anakha idea was ridiculously overpowered, and I must admit that the Klael/Bhelliom interaction made me think of the Belgariad/Malloreon's "Duel of the Fates" theme more than I wanted to.

But anyway... name a fantasy epic that doesn't have:

-mega-powerful artefact(s) of Good/Evil/Both
-Old Wise Wizard
-Company of Heroes (The Swordfighter, The Berserker, The Bowman, The Thief, The Medic and all the other clichéd character archetypes you can think of)
-Ages old battle between Good and Evil (Light and Darkness, Us and Them, whatever)


Now that Í think of it, LOTR is actually one of the more original fantasy series out there, which is kinda paradoxal, but still... The main character doesn't have any special powers and is actually incapable of finishing his task in the end; the bad guy is not actually some kind of cosmological fundamental evil but instead was originally a maia amongst others corrupted by Melkor. It still has the Artefact, Company of Heroes and Old Wise Wizard, but it still manages to be more original than most fantasy epics.

Now that I think about it, Tad Williams' Memory, Sorrow and Thorn trilogy is somewhat like LOTR as far as the villains are considered... there's no cosmological evil to be fought - just an olden bad guy with olden bad powers.

...dunno if that was already mentioned in the thread, by the way. Worthy reading, but it was sadly split on 12 Finnish translations (that way the bastards can charge more :ick:) and the reading was quite cluttered. I should read it again some day, should I find time.
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Well, I'm more a Gemmel than an Eddings man, the Jerusalem Man series was brilliant, and very unconventional. One of the few 'Time Travel' type stories that really held my interest.

 

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You might also want to check out The Light of Other Days by Arthur C. Clark.

After the last of the Rama books I usually avoid Arthur C. Clarke like the plague.

Has he gone down his usual route of failing to explain things properly at the end this time too? Cause the story sounded cool but I'm very wary of his stuff now.
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Re: Book advice (sci-fi/fantasy, mainly)
But anyway... name a fantasy epic that doesn't have:

I can actually think of quite a few, though, honestly, they were written for an audience closer to my age when I was reading them. In a lot of ways, I tend to think things like The Dark is Rising or the Pyrdain books make for far better fantasy then almost any of the more adult-oriented works I've ever read.
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I'm really terrible with authors, but the book titles I somehow remember.

M. Waltari's "The Egyptian" (This is quite an incredible book to have been written in 1940s)
T. Clancy's "Hunt for Red October"
T. Pratchett's "Guards! Guards!", "Men at Arms", "Night Watch"
A. MacLean's "Guns of Navarone"
R. Adams' "Watership Down"
R. Howard's Conan books for different kind of fantasy and attitude.

And last, but not least take a look at the George Orwell's collected writings:
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79e/

Some texts of interest there, the schooling system which he attended and a hospital which he had to visit (both basically a must read for anyone):
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79e/part49.html
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79e/part39.html

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Oh one more thing, that Hyperion series didn't leave a single trace in my memory. I know I have read it but... tells something about the translation as Herra Tohtori mentioned.

Larry Niven's Ringworld was also something that I didn't really understand.

I should really find the sci-fi writer who wrote that story of a computer program that could simulate real life people (or more like, create them inside the machine) from the given data. The story went so that they first revived Sokrates and then Pizarro in the computer and then let them argue. Dialogue was more than interesting. A good idea I wished someone would have written a book about.
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Prydain books
Read those when I was little. Awesome books. *high five*
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By the way, if you're into Celtic mythos, go and read Susan Cooper's The Dark is Rising quintology. :yes:

It is good read... They are supposedly childrens' books*, but please ask yourself what children's book has undead skeleton horses and grey killer foxes chasing kids around? Also, they are crammed full of references to Arthurian/Celtic (specifically, welsh) legends and stuff.


*There are no such thing as childrens' books in my estimation. There might be adults' books, but there are no children's books. :drevil:
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For fantasy... The Name of the Wind.

I forgot to mention, this guy avoids clichés like you wouldn't believe.

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Dragonlance trilogy

Other than the first one, I didn't like those. It always seemed like the writers hit a brick wall and had to throw a few plotholes around.

 

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Orson Welles? If you really want to waste time, War of the Worlds... as in the recent movie. There you go. I bet you haven't seem that.  ;7


I've only just noticed this?? Orson Welles didn't write War of the Worlds, it was H.G. Wells. Orson Welles just made a radio play out of it, (which apparently scared the american people witless). And both movies were  :no: (and the original is the better of the two). The best version of this story is the musical version (Jeff Waynes War of the Worlds)
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Re: Book advice (sci-fi/fantasy, mainly)
Orson Welles just made a radio play out of it, (which apparently scared the american people witless).
Have you listened to a recording of the original broadcast? It was amazingly immersive, even I got a little unsettled by it.

And both movies were  :no: (and the original is the better of the two). The best version of this story is the musical version (Jeff Waynes War of the Worlds)
Pfft. The movies were fine, both the original and the recent one. The original is a timeless classic, and the recent Spielberg flick was a quality piece of sci-fi. But, yeah, from what i've heard the musical is by far the best interpretation of the source material we've seen thus far.

 
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Looks like Ive just got a new reading list, if only all the used book stores in my city hadn't shut down years ago.

Hate spending 20-25$ bucks at barnes & nobles on a book only to finish it in a day or two, whereas I could go to a old bookstore and pick up three or four books for around twelve dollars.

It's been years since I've had a good read, last books I read was enders game books.

:(

 

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Looks like Ive just got a new reading list, if only all the used book stores in my city hadn't shut down years ago.

Hate spending 20-25$ bucks at barnes & nobles on a book only to finish it in a day or two, whereas I could go to a old bookstore and pick up three or four books for around twelve dollars.

It's been years since I've had a good read, last books I read was enders game books.

:(

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Pfft. The movies were fine, both the original and the recent one. The original is a timeless classic, and the recent Spielberg flick was a quality piece of sci-fi. But, yeah, from what i've heard the musical is by far the best interpretation of the source material we've seen thus far.

I was less dissapointed in the movie than I thought I would be as well. Not a bad film, and accurate enough not to be insulting. Yes, there were changes in locations and technology, but none of it was extreme enough to detract from the story itself. But yes, I also agree, the Jeff Wayne version was the best, but maybe that's because I was around 8 when I first heard it and it scared the daylights out of me, espeically the artwork inside the record covers.

 

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Well, I thank you all for your help. I now have a nice big cardboard box containing some 22 books (and BSG season 3...) in the mail on it's way to me :) Still missing the Thrawn, X-Wing and Battletech books, since I haven't yet found a place inside the EU that sells them (suggestions welcome), but these should keep me reading for a while so there's no rush in that regard. I'm really excited actually, getting a bunch of new books is like christmas to me :D
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Don't you have a library in your town??
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Re: Book advice (sci-fi/fantasy, mainly)
Check out Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke.   :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:  You may have already heard of it.  It won a freaking truckload of awards.  I'd recommend that to anybody who reads.  Its really not your run-of-the-mill fantasy book.  I guess the best way I can describe it is Harry Potter meets Jane Austen.  But if you're not a fan of either of those, don't be turned away by it (you couldn't catch me dead reading Austen).  My only issue with the book is that the first third of it (the whole thing runs 800 pages or so) is somewhat hard to get through.

Seriously though.  Read it sometime.

Seriously.  :nod: