[Flipside]

It's odd, but whenever I look at Clinton, I see the ghost of Thatcher over her shoulder....

[Kazan]

as a liberal... Hillary can go **** herself with a spiked dildo

pro-censorship
pro-corporate
pro-war
pro-idiotic-bleedingheart-gun control (i want gun control.. but appropriate and effective forms)


she isn't a liberal, not by any stretch.  She was in the college republicans when she was in college then "Became a democrat"... but afaik she's never really been one.. always barely - bill was more of a dem and he still wasn't but a nudge left of center.

[IceFire]

So what happens if McCain wins the Republican vote and becomes their presidential candidate and Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic  vote overall.  McCain seems like the most liberal of the Republicans and Hillary the most conservative of the Democrats so somewhere in the middle has to be some sort of twilight zone, yes?

[Mefustae]

So what happens if McCain wins the Republican vote and becomes their presidential candidate and Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic  vote overall.  McCain seems like the most liberal of the Republicans and Hillary the most conservative of the Democrats so somewhere in the middle has to be some sort of twilight zone, yes?

Imagine if both parties somehow reached a middle-ground and we had truly joint administration, granting the best of both ideologies and ending the bipartisanship that has been tearing the US apart for so long.

Of course, that's about as likely as the Earth undergoing spontaneous existence failure and blinking out of the universe in the next 20 minutes, but a man can dream.

[Ford Prefect]

There is no "both ideologies"; the viable candidates run the gamut from very conservative to sort of maybe centrist with a little stretch of the imagination. American politics is calibrated so far to the neo-liberal, authoritarian area of the political compass that we have no idea what real political differences are.

[Mefustae]

There is no "both ideologies"; the viable candidates run the gamut from very conservative to sort of maybe centrist with a little stretch of the imagination. American politics is calibrated so far to the neo-liberal, authoritarian area of the political compass that we have no idea what real political differences are.

Good point. The Democrats haven't been anywhere near left wing for a good while now.

[Bobboau]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHQ7Prwh7Gc

[BloodEagle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHQ7Prwh7Gc

 

Be a lie, ...please?

:EDIT:

If this ruling was recent, wouldn't it have nothing to do with any past violations? 

[Kosh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHQ7Prwh7Gc

I'm pretty sure that was in early 2006, judging from his statements "if the democrats take control of the house in november they would not allow this".

But still, Bush abusing the legaslative process to pardon himself? Have we ever had a president do something like that before?

[Mefustae]

I'm pretty sure that was in early 2006, judging from his statements "if the democrats take control of the house in november they would not allow this".

But still, Bush abusing the legaslative process to pardon himself? Have we ever had a president do something like that before?

Yeah, I remember a ruckus about this a good while ago. Sort of petered out, so I assume it was either defeated or it passed and was just forgotten apathetically by the collective US consciousness as it often does these days.

[IceFire]

There is no "both ideologies"; the viable candidates run the gamut from very conservative to sort of maybe centrist with a little stretch of the imagination. American politics is calibrated so far to the neo-liberal, authoritarian area of the political compass that we have no idea what real political differences are.

Sort of true.  I'm looking in from the outside...we've got some truly liberal politicians up here and while I think you're sort of right I see some of the candidates, particularly coming from the Democrats as being decently liberal enough to deal with.  A few of them you might even be able to stick into the Liberal party up here and they would largely blend in (although I think they would ultimately be horrified ) although none of them are cut out for the NDP.  The problem is that the whole freight train that is the American government has become a somewhat authoritarian system with allot of power at the top.  More than I think there used to be historically.  But thats not really a new thing...probably been going on for decades.

The best hope is for a moderate from either party to win and sort a few things out.  Maybe get your spiraling national debt under control somehow