[Vidmaster]

during the battle (shot of the first ancient vessel appearing).
If your TV is big enough, you should be able to spot it. I remember it's in the bottom right.

There is a continuity error, since the thing is shooting a SLICER BEAM, instead of the single shots seen in "Dancing"  (same as in that Crusade episode with Dureena's pals, there you see Spitfires shooting slicer beams instead of bolts).


Back to Drakh desgin. Who said that the Drakh ships are not organic? The hull looks like it...

[maje]

Here's a strange observation.  The alien fighter craft from "A View From the Gallery" seems to have more in common with Shadow design philosophy than the Drakh vessels, based on the several spiny protusions that are somewhat reminiscent of Shadow ships.

I guess I just wish that there were more nods to Shadow tech in Drakh vessels the way that there are among the EA/Shadow kitbashes out there.

[terran_emperor]

Maybe the Shadow scout is fitted with different weapons depending on the mission - the rapid fire weapon from Shadow Dancing for recon missions & the Slicer Beam for Combat mission.

Maybe the Aliens in "View from the Gallery" were among the Shoadow's Dark Servents

Known Dark Servent

*Drakh/Keepers
*Drakh Varient/Soldiers - seen in "Lines of comunication" and "War Zone"
*Those Aliens seen in "Ship of Tears" (Possibly Strieb)
*That Alien who Melted itself in the same episode
*The race that that creature in "The Long Dark" belonged to

Possible Dark servents
*The Dilgar
*The Strieb
*Aliens from "A View from the Gallery"

[IPAndrews]

There is a continuity error, since the thing is shooting a SLICER BEAM, instead of the single shots seen in "Dancing"

That's great. I made the Shadow Light AAA weapon available to the scout as well as the rapid fire quantum pulse cannon. Lucky guess.

[-Norbert-]

I wouldn't take Crusade too seriously, especially when it comes to CGI. With all the things that the money givers threw at JMS a lot of that series got messed up. And don't even get me started on that botched together first episode....

[terran_emperor]

I thought War Zone was alright

[maje]

The aliens in Ship of Tears are not Streibs.  They are Zener.  I believe that the Streibs were originally supposed to be a one-time only plot device kind of like the aliens from A View From the Gallery.  Honestly, though, I'm a bit surprised that the only recurring Shadow allies were the Drakh and Zener (NOTE: The Zener are the aliens you see prepping humans to become CPUs for the Shadow vessels and also are seen aiding the Drakh in Movements of Fire and Shadow testing Londo to make sure he could be joined to a keeper).

The Wurt were mentioned in the Technomage trilogy, but I have never heard or seen a description of them.  I may just consider retconning them into as the aliens from A View From the Gallery since their ships look to be possibly influenced both by Drakh and Shadow design philosophies (well the fighters anyways).

I'm pretty sure that the Streibs have been retconned at some point to be allies of the Shadows since they embrace the art of conquest, though, seriously, these guys seem pitifully weak.  I would be surprised if these guys were even noticed by the Shadows.

[-Norbert-]

You don't have to be a servant of the shadows to be manipulated by them.
Both the Shadows and the Vorlons influence the younger races secretly more often than openly (the Shadows even more than the Vorlons I guess).

Remember that Morden could coerce the Centauri into making war on the Narns without ever giving away the identity of his "associates". Only some time during or after the war did some of the Centauri realize who their allies were.

Also in the Technomage Trilogy (book two to be exact) it is mentioned that the idea of the purple vs. green fights of the Drazi came from the Shadows (nothing "official" to support or deny that though), so I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Streib never even knew the Shadows existed, but still unintentionally served their purpose - promoting war and chaos.
Besides you don't neccessarily need the Shadows for having dreams of conquest....