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Offline CP5670

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The lowest end one is supposed to be $280, which is comparable to the cheaper Core 2 Quads. A lot will depend on how much the initial round of motherboards cost though.

 

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The lowest end one is supposed to be $280, which is comparable to the cheaper Core 2 Quads. A lot will depend on how much the initial round of motherboards cost though.
Quite a bit, unfortunately. My suggestion is still an inexpensive P43 motherboard and an Intel E5200--it's not the fastest, but can be overclocked quite well on air. Get a machine that'll last you about 3-12 months and then upgrade when it's all actually worthwhile. Newer revisions tend to improve overclocking, so I'd say wait for round 2 of Core i7. Right now, an OC'd E5200 is a kick-arse processor and the next generation of GPUs are a bit... far. Again, E5200 + 2-4GB DDR2 + HD4830 or similar would be a nice setup, and it won't immediately become useless. All the hard drives you buy can be reused, a decent PSU can be reused, the chassis can be reused, and optical drives can be reused.
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Q6600 wins on price and performance. It only jumps over two percent when i render in max. Even with red alert 3 there's minimal use.
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My basic reason for not saying Q6600, while it's a decent chip, is because a dual-core is all that's necessary. Save the budget--save $600-700 for a better upgrade months down the line. A Q6600 won't be utilized by much, unless you're using professional programs. Even so, an E5200 at 4.4GHz will do VERY well in most of these programs as well, as do much better in single-threaded and dual-threaded applications. Managing your actual load can make or break your experiences. I have my computer running at 100% 24/7--the CPU (E2140) and GPU (HD3850) are crunching (WCG) and folding (F@H) all the time. The way I get by and still use the computer regularly is keeping those heavy-load applications on the lowest priorities. It lets everything else run smoother, and lets them get most of the work done pretty darn well.

Anyways--there ARE more and more games coming out for quad-cores, but IMO there's not enough right now. Save your money, and get an upgrade when it's more necessary and there's nothing much on the horizon. LGA775 will still be the socket of choice for low and medium priced computers--it's not going to disappear overnight, though P45 is the last Intel chipset for it. It's not going to get much better for Conroe or Penryn, so now's the time.
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Hmm...Based on these opinions of Core i7 and some more research I've done on my own, I think I'm going to wait to buy a new system so that I can base it around i7 instead of Core 2 Duo.  Hopefully, the motherboard prices won't kill my budget.  Plus, the GTX 280 might come down in price by then...
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Plus, the GTX 280 might come down in price by then...

The 280 prices have stayed around $380 for several months now. I like mine, but it's not worth more than $330 or so given the 4870 and 260/216 prices. It's faster than them (by more than many benchmarks suggest, since it's stronger on minimums), but not by enough to justify more than a $60-70 premium.

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My basic reason for not saying Q6600, while it's a decent chip, is because a dual-core is all that's necessary. Save the budget--save $600-700 for a better upgrade months down the line. A Q6600 won't be utilized by much, unless you're using professional programs.

I agree with this as far as the dual/quad question goes. There are still only two games that show a clear benefit from a quad, Supreme Commander and FSX. People often talk about multitasking with browsers, IM and other basic programs, but the reality is that these kinds of things will not stress even one core. It only makes sense to get one if you play those games or use 3D rendering or graphics software, which does benefit from them a lot.

 

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Plus, the GTX 280 might come down in price by then...

The 280 prices have stayed around $380 for several months now. I like mine, but it's not worth more than $330 or so given the 4870 and 260/216 prices. It's faster than them (by more than many benchmarks suggest, since it's stronger on minimums), but not by enough to justify more than a $60-70 premium.

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My basic reason for not saying Q6600, while it's a decent chip, is because a dual-core is all that's necessary. Save the budget--save $600-700 for a better upgrade months down the line. A Q6600 won't be utilized by much, unless you're using professional programs.

I agree with this as far as the dual/quad question goes. There are still only two games that show a clear benefit from a quad, Supreme Commander and FSX. People often talk about multitasking with browsers, IM and other basic programs, but the reality is that these kinds of things will not stress even one core. It only makes sense to get one if you play those games or use 3D rendering or graphics software, which does benefit from them a lot.
It's all about load management. Anyways--waiting IS the best choice, especially if you can still play your games on your current system. GTX 280 prices aren't going anywhere, though GTX 290 (which is JUST a core-shrunk GT200 from what I hear) may drop the price a bit. Still, HD4870 or GTX 260 216 are better choices for the money. I'd personally say HD4830 CF or HD4850 CF would still be the better solution, but that's only in select places and if you don't mind some difficulties to start.

As I said--my PC runs at 100% 24/7 basically no matter what I do. Crunching keeps the CPU at 100%, and folding does similar for my HD3850.
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I have Supreme commander and it's still alittle shaky in the later stages of combat. Forged Alliance runs like crap. Crysis runs fine but SC:FA runs awful, i just don't get it.....

Graffix upgrade time mebbe.........
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
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-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
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-FOTG?
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-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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You know...

The E8400 Core2Duo has dropped in price so much recently that it's a really great bargain, and with an aftermarket fan people are regularly overclocking it in the range of 4 Ghz.  The thing is a performance star anyway, for that matter.

Worth considering - the price:performance ratio on the new stuff is so poor that you'd almost be better to buy something a little older and get a lot more bang for your buck.  Not to mention, you can then easily afford an upgrade in a few years time.

Quad-core, while the way of the future (presumably), really isn't worth it right now.

I've got that chip, I kicks butt. I've over clocked it to 3.4ghz with my stock fan and it ran fine, but lowered it back to stock 3ghz because I didn't need the extra power for anything. Bought it for $149 off Amazon, great bargain.
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I have Supreme commander and it's still alittle shaky in the later stages of combat. Forged Alliance runs like crap. Crysis runs fine but SC:FA runs awful, i just don't get it.....

Graffix upgrade time mebbe.........

Supreme Commander is heavy on both graphics and CPU. As I said earlier, it's one of the very few games that gets a substantial improvement with a quad core. (although it's not really doing anything special with that extra power; the engine is just bloated)

 
My two cents:

I just traded my dad my crappy E4500(or some number similar to that; it was a 2.00 ghz duo core) CPU Chip for his E6750. I was thinkijng of getting This E7300, but figured i can just trade him for something that's pretty much the same, just with a higher FSB (1333 compared to 1066) and cache (4MB to 3MB). One thing I don't understand is how the E6750 is a lower number than the one I considered buying. Isn't a higher number supposed to indicate better performance? :wtf:

I'm getting new RAM today to match the CPU, as the RAM I have right now is a single 1GB stick of crappy 335 RAM, which I need at least 500 MHz RAM to be able to coup with the CPU FSB speed (as noted in my motherboard manual)
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DDR2 800 Mhz is pretty cheap nowadays. I thought noone sold below 667 anymore.
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They don't. My RAM, anyways, is at least 3 years old :P

The RAM I'm getting, if anybody cares, is two sticks of This.

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E4500 is a 2.2ghz so you didn't have that. I would have had to shoot you if you did though -- one of the best OCing processors in its generation(some ppl getting 40% overclock--close to 3.1ghz-- on stock air cooling and voltage)

The numbers don't necessarily have to do with speed -- they're mostly just indicative of the features on the chip.

this site will explain better than I can
http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/

 
Been thinking about building a computer. Not all into the building a computer business but I'm pretty computer literate.

Basically all I've been doing is toying around with velocity micro. I assume it would be cheaper to buy the parts, assemble it yourself?

Been looking at this btw config btw.

GX2-W Silver - Velocity Micro Classic Aluminum Case - Full Sized chassis with side window
Wheel Kit None
Power Supply 850 Watt Velocity Micro® Power Supply - Nvidia® SLI™ Certified
Case Lights None
Motherboard MSI® K9N2 SLI Platinum nForce 750a based chipset, DDR2, PCI-express, AM2+
AMD® Processor AMD® Phenom 9550 X4, 2.2GHz with Quad Core Technology, Socket AM2+ (+$65.00)
CPU Cooling Arctic Cooling® Freezer 64 Pro Heatsink, Ultra Quiet Fan, Copper Heat Pipes (+$25.00)
DDR2 Memory 4096MB Corsair™ XMS2 DDR2-800 Low Latency Extreme Memory with Heat Spreader (2x2048) (+$60.00)
PCX Video 512MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 9800 GT Velocity Micro Performance Edition (+$25.00)
Video Cooling None
Video Tuning Basic 3D Video Performance Tuning & Optimization
Monitor None
Audio Integrated Realtek Audio, 7.1 Channel Support
Speakers None

annnddd that comes to

Gaming Computer & Gaming PC : Edge™ M40
Base Price: 1699.00 Your Price: 1874

I'm guessing it's worth it to just buy the parts yourself. Amirite?

 

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They don't. My RAM, anyways, is at least 3 years old :P

The RAM I'm getting, if anybody cares, is two sticks of This.

Call me cheep, my dad just won't let me spend a lot of money, even if it's my own.
Uh..................................................
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134636

Been thinking about building a computer. Not all into the building a computer business but I'm pretty computer literate.

Basically all I've been doing is toying around with velocity micro. I assume it would be cheaper to buy the parts, assemble it yourself?

Been looking at this btw config btw.

GX2-W Silver - Velocity Micro Classic Aluminum Case - Full Sized chassis with side window
Wheel Kit None
Power Supply 850 Watt Velocity Micro® Power Supply - Nvidia® SLI™ Certified
Case Lights None
Motherboard MSI® K9N2 SLI Platinum nForce 750a based chipset, DDR2, PCI-express, AM2+
AMD® Processor AMD® Phenom 9550 X4, 2.2GHz with Quad Core Technology, Socket AM2+ (+$65.00)
CPU Cooling Arctic Cooling® Freezer 64 Pro Heatsink, Ultra Quiet Fan, Copper Heat Pipes (+$25.00)
DDR2 Memory 4096MB Corsair™ XMS2 DDR2-800 Low Latency Extreme Memory with Heat Spreader (2x2048) (+$60.00)
PCX Video 512MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 9800 GT Velocity Micro Performance Edition (+$25.00)
Video Cooling None
Video Tuning Basic 3D Video Performance Tuning & Optimization
Monitor None
Audio Integrated Realtek Audio, 7.1 Channel Support
Speakers None

annnddd that comes to

Gaming Computer & Gaming PC : Edge™ M40
Base Price: 1699.00 Your Price: 1874

I'm guessing it's worth it to just buy the parts yourself. Amirite?
Rrrrip-offffffffffffffffffffff.You can get much better for much less. Anyways--look at the OTHER side of the road: Intel. Or, if you are willing to wait, Deneb is coming and seems to be much more competitive with Intel's offerings.
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Haha yea I thought so.  :P

But mainly my question was are the parts themselves good, or not? Main things I've seen thrown around was DDR2 vs. DDR3. Obviously you don't like the processor, I tend to like AMD more even though my current comp has an intel core, so basically, wait for Deneb to come out and be actually competitive with the i7 core? And heh, that's the thing with upgrading, there's always new stuff coming out.

 
They don't. My RAM, anyways, is at least 3 years old :P

The RAM I'm getting, if anybody cares, is two sticks of This.

Call me cheep, my dad just won't let me spend a lot of money, even if it's my own.
Uh..................................................
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134636

:wtf:
What about it?

Oh, the speed.
I'd rather go drive into town then wait for mine to come in the mail, thanks :P
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They don't. My RAM, anyways, is at least 3 years old :P

The RAM I'm getting, if anybody cares, is two sticks of This.

Call me cheep, my dad just won't let me spend a lot of money, even if it's my own.
Uh..................................................
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134636

:wtf:
What about it?

Oh, the speed.
I'd rather go drive into town then wait for mine to come in the mail, thanks :P
$22 free shipping for 2GB RAM, instead of $40 for 2GB RAM.
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