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Offline blackhole

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Offline NGTM-1R

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This is trying very hard to be happy and upbeat. The opening sort of sets the tone by trying to incorporate as many little happy sorts of noises as possible, and while it becomes less of a polyphonic assault on the maximum number of things you can have going at once, it's still trying very hard. Which brings us to the first cardinal problem. Things which are trying to be happy, by definition, aren't.

Now, right around 50 seconds, the song seems to settle down for some serious soul-searching, and decide it isn't happy after all, it's just music. This is an improvement. Then it decides around 1:20 to settle down for some more soul-searching, culminating in finally arriving at the impression it was trying to reach in the beginning here at 1:50...

...at which point it decides it liked the whole polyphonic assault thing and decides to go back to it posthaste. Damn. So much for finding its voice.

I'm pretty sure you exceeded the reasonable limit of seperate tracks playing at one time, along with your own limit, in the beginning. Had it been just the track the song opened with it would have been more than reasonable; the lower pipes weren't a bad addition either, but the tinkly string-something was really pushing it (at least until it changed into faux piano, or is that something else entirely? I've listened to the same thirty seconds at least twenty times and I can't even keep everything straight, this is not a good sign), the drums were a useful reinforcement for what they were worth, but then the higher pipes came along to replace the opening whatever and we transitioned directly to Out Of Bounds.

In short, if you were trying to push the envelope, and I'm left with the sense from both this and Gravitation (which had a similar fascination with changing the tones used, but less of the poorly interwoven multiple themes/tracks/whatevers) that you were, this one crashed.

Now, I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here in the belief it's not always easy to see something from the inside of it. This is something I've noticed you doing with a lot of your work. Take Renascent for an example: you like to change the sound of it. Not for any particular reason, but because you can. Renascent does it once at 19 seconds, again much more smoothly at 50 seconds, relatively smoothly once more at 1:07, even more smoothly at 1:46 since you introduced the replacement beforehand, not so smoothly at 2:24, relatively smoothly but very briefly at 2:55, again at 3:05, again at 3:27, and mercifully, this is the final one.

This is not a good thing.

There is a saying about the author shutting up when his work begins to speak. It's something you seem to be struggling with. This is not to say you have not turned out good works; Duress comes to mind, but it had a "theme" if you will, a specific sequence, that was used to tie it together. Much the same can be said about Cell Potential and to a lesser extent Black Horizon. You tried to invoke the theme, here, with Now, as well, but you succumbed to the urge for a noticible variation and that was the undoing of something that was already fairly weak. Cases were you seem to have actually let the work speak are harder to come by; offhand, Everything Burns and Eyes Through a Window come to mind.

Oh yes. And the Openlancer - Intense Battle track you posted on Sectorgame, lo those many eons ago. Yes, I still have it.

EDIT: Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, I just spent a good hour writing this whole analysis. \o/ Bedtime now.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2009, 03:48:54 am by NGTM-1R »
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Offline blackhole

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So basically your saying I haven't been inspired - you are correct :P

What I don't understand is your analysis of renascent and changing things. If I didn't change a 4 minute long trance track, it'd get kind of boring, wouldn't it?

 

Offline Retsof

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Meh, I like the way the songs change.  Hm... Inspiraion... read a good book, or a well written fanfic.
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Offline eliex

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I like it!  :yes:

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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What I don't understand is your analysis of renascent and changing things. If I didn't change a 4 minute long trance track, it'd get kind of boring, wouldn't it?

Perhaps, but you've grown overly fond of the technique. You're averaging less than a minute between changes, meaning it turns into less of a coherent song and more a collection of clips from several ones. The first seventeen seconds of Renascent are great, but then you wander off into something else. It's like some kind of ADHD songwriting; you need to develop your themes more.

You seem to reject, usually, the concept of an underlying, lasting theme. Sometimes this works when you have something that ties together repeated, but sometimes it's like someone took Rob Dougan's Clubbed To Death but didn't give it enough time to set a tone in any of its portions.
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Offline Commander Zane

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If I didn't change a 4 minute long trance track, it'd get kind of boring, wouldn't it?
I listen to eight - ten minute Trance songs on a regular basis... :P

 

Offline blackhole

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Perhaps, but you've grown overly fond of the technique. You're averaging less than a minute between changes, meaning it turns into less of a coherent song and more a collection of clips from several ones.

The fact that you think Renascent changes too much is just beyond my understanding. My recent songs have been experimentation with "Ok, what happens if i rapidly change the song between several different ideas?" Almost all my older songs have a central theme and don't change very abruptly. I mean, come on, your definition of an abrupt change is anything that takes less then a half hour - This isn't trance music, its techno-ish dancey type stuff. The first 17 seconds of renascent are what is called the "Intro," and then I wander off into a related idea in the same chord progression that is supported by the previously established atmosphere. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't qualify as ADHD songwriting here. Regardless, the number one criticism that is leveled against songs is that they are too repetitive, so at the moment you are pitting your opinion against several other people who have lauded my techno songs for not being repetitive. The question here is, is this indeed a bad thing or just a style of music?

I agree that my songs have been lacking a central theme lately, but I'm going to pull out my artistic license on this one, and say that its experimentation in a style of music, and that Renascent was a very smooth song with 4 distinct sections, not 15.

  

Offline Retsof

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Perhaps, but you've grown overly fond of the technique. You're averaging less than a minute between changes, meaning it turns into less of a coherent song and more a collection of clips from several ones.
Listen to Boundless Sea (I am right now), It has a pretty constant theme while still variating.  *Please imagine me talking in a freindly, not criticising, tone of voice*
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