[iamzack]

Science helps us understand and manipulate reality such that we can lead happier, more fulfilling lives, faith helps us.... uhmm... gosh, you're gonna have to help me on this one.

So Jesus didn't do acts of charity because he thought that was what God wanted his children to do?

Zack, religious people give more to charity than non-religious people, even to secular charities.

Poor people donate more than rich people. Maybe we should all be poor.

Aren't poor people usually the religious ones though?

And maybe as a percentage of income, but I doubt many poor families can donate tens of millions of dollars to charity like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet can.

As a percentage of income is the most important measure. Giving 10% of $40,000 is a lot more significant than 10% of $400,000.

Aaaaand, I have yet to see your point. Who cares if religious people are more generous? Why don't you go out and show me the atheist who's molested hundreds of children, eh? Sure, there are some good things about religion. Occasionally, it can be used to scare stupid people into not making human sacrifices or some such nonsense. But more often it's used to make the world that much more of a miserable place to live.

[Flipside]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and_canada/10321466.stm

Not quite worth a thread of it's own, but sort of on-topic, and rather amusing...

[el_magnifico]

The frame is all that remains of the wood, polystyrene and glass fibre statue

What were they thinking?

[Scotty]

Science helps us understand and manipulate reality such that we can lead happier, more fulfilling lives, faith helps us.... uhmm... gosh, you're gonna have to help me on this one.

So Jesus didn't do acts of charity because he thought that was what God wanted his children to do?

Zack, religious people give more to charity than non-religious people, even to secular charities.

Poor people donate more than rich people. Maybe we should all be poor.

Aren't poor people usually the religious ones though?

And maybe as a percentage of income, but I doubt many poor families can donate tens of millions of dollars to charity like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet can.

As a percentage of income is the most important measure. Giving 10% of $40,000 is a lot more significant than 10% of $400,000.

Aaaaand, I have yet to see your point. Who cares if religious people are more generous? Why don't you go out and show me the atheist who's molested hundreds of children, eh? Sure, there are some good things about religion. Occasionally, it can be used to scare stupid people into not making human sacrifices or some such nonsense. But more often it's used to make the world that much more of a miserable place to live.

Every single time you say this, I respond the same way, and every single time, you ignore it.  This time I'll say it in big, easy to read letters.

That is not religion, that is people using religion for their own gain and others' detriment.

[esarai]

I was about to go on a balls-to-the-wall rant about how historically religion is responsible for a very large portion of atrocities and genocides, and how certain groups have been struggling over the same damn spit of desert for the past two millenium, but I'll spare you that tirade and instead give you this little gem:

http://fatpita.net/?i=5973

I don't make fun of Creationists.  If creationists can agree to coincide with evolutionists, I have no problem with them as their ideas neither break my leg nor pick my pocket.  It's when they attempt to censor information, effectively violating freedom of speech, to further their own agendas that I have an issue with them.  I'm rather scared that they think they have the right to censor out scientifically accepted theories for reasons that make no logical sense whatsoever and whose sources are probably 100 times removed from the primary source, and come from something that has never been proven to exist, and for all we know is a guise for our own mind.

[Eishtmo]

Go here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Potholer54debunks

And watch all of Creationist "Science" get destroyed, one piece at a time.

[Scotty]

I was about to go on a balls-to-the-wall rant about how historically religion is responsible for a very large portion of atrocities and genocides, and how certain groups have been struggling over the same damn spit of desert for the past two millenium, but I'll spare you that tirade...

Thank you.  Also, see (my) above post.

And, on that little comic, the Bible (in the Old Testament) clearly shows God punishing people who try to do stuff themselves.  Make of that what you will.

[The E]

I make of that a lock.

Will we ever have a reasoned science vs religion debate? Does something like that even exist? Stay tuned for the next installment of trolling on HLP!