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Offline karajorma

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Re: Why Assange should be shot
Of course it was. I knew that before I posted. :p

Hey, you want dirty tricks?

The reason the documents were not properly censored is because WikiLeaks needed the publicity that would come from that, as they were in desperate need of donations to continue operating.

Unless you have actual proof of that, I'd put false accusations of rape above that to be honest. While I have no particular interest in defending Assange I think that false rape accusations have the effect of making people disbelieve the real ones.

Furthermore if you're going to claim that unethical behaviour in order to make money is a dirty trick then there is a pretty long list of people dirtier than him. Pretty much every multinational corporation in fact.
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Re: Why Assange should be shot
Unless you have actual proof of that, I'd put false accusations of rape above that to be honest.

You could try checking out their own page. They actually had a big request for donations thing going on until shortly after they started posting the Afghan files. Wikipedia and other independent websites can probably confirm it.

Furthermore if you're going to claim that unethical behaviour in order to make money is a dirty trick then there is a pretty long list of people dirtier than him. Pretty much every multinational corporation in fact.

No, I'm going to claim causing people to die in order to make money is a dirty trick. It's already a known fact (for chrissakes MSN was running the article, Alessia commented on it) that what Assange has published has resulted in people dying. I think that rates a bit higher on the oh****-o-meter than merely being unethical.

Corporations will, on ocassion, release flawed products, but the death toll for Assange's mistake is already higher than the one for Toyota's much-touted and rather nebulous fiasco. I think it's time to get a wee bit excited over this.
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Re: Why Assange should be shot
You could try checking out their own page. They actually had a big request for donations thing going on until shortly after they started posting the Afghan files. Wikipedia and other independent websites can probably confirm it.

Circumstantial evidence at best.

The fact that wikileaks was after donations is undeniable. In fact I was aware that they needed donations well before this story actually happened. I was asking for proof of the fact that the website deliberately included the names in order to generate more hits rather than it simply being a cock up. You haven't proved it did.

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Corporations will, on ocassion, release flawed products, but the death toll for Assange's mistake is already higher than the one for Toyota's much-touted and rather nebulous fiasco. I think it's time to get a wee bit excited over this.

Again, you're quoting facts that aren't relevant to the actual point I was making. This issue of whether or not Wikileaks are guilty of a dirty trick is solely dependent on whether or not they published the document in full knowledge that they were publishing something that could get people killed. Even if they acted with criminal negligence over the issue it still wouldn't be a dirty trick.

So on one hand we have something that definitely looks malicious to me compared to something that might not have been. So yeah, in absence of evidence proving malice I'm going to go ahead and state that the fake rape accusations definitely look more like a dirty trick than anything Wikileaks did.
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Corporations will, on ocassion, release flawed products, but the death toll for Assange's mistake is already higher than the one for Toyota's much-touted and rather nebulous fiasco. I think it's time to get a wee bit excited over this.


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No, I'm going to claim causing people to die in order to make money is a dirty trick.

You say this again, even after being unable to provide evidence to support the claim that it was done in order to make money. Explain how you think you're going to change our minds when, instead of providing actual evidence to support your claim, all you've done is repeating your unsupported assertion and raised the rhetoric a little. Or better yet, provide the actual evidence. None of this "he's asking for donations therefore BAD" bull****.

 

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Re: Why Assange should be shot
An update.

At least this one didn't seem to put civilians at risk. The publicity might deter Iran from committing more resources to Iraq, but it's probably a whole lot more complex than that.

 

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and wikileaks swings the other way. they are chaotic neutral, they will spill any secret they think will embarrass/piss off someone powerful, they don't care who.
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Re: Why Assange should be shot
Well...looks like we in the US military knew about torture happening in Iraq...but we looked the other way.

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Re: Why Assange should be shot
Well...looks like we in the US military knew about torture happening in Iraq...but we looked the other way.

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Re: Why Assange should be shot
Well, the US and most of the rest of the World.

For the last 5 years...

 

Offline Kosh

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Re: Why Assange should be shot
Well...looks like we in the US military knew about torture happening in Iraq...but we looked the other way.

 :no: :(

This is the same Army that tried to give Tillman a Silver Star for being accidently shot by friendly fire and then tried to cover it up. So with that in mind, is anyone really surprised?
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Re: Why Assange should be shot
Well...looks like we in the US military knew about torture happening in Iraq...but we looked the other way.

 :no: :(

This is the same Army that tried to give Tillman a Silver Star for being accidently shot by friendly fire and then tried to cover it up. So with that in mind, is anyone really surprised?

Are we still buying the "accidentally" line?
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Re: Why Assange should be shot
the fascism is strong in this thread
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Offline Dilmah G

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Re: Why Assange should be shot
* Dilmah G is totally not guilty of that.

Modern history classes on Nazi Germany are taking their toll. ;)

 

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Re: Why Assange should be shot
the fascism is strong in this thread

I doubt you'd know fascism if it shot your dog. :P
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Offline Kosh

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Re: Why Assange should be shot
What about Theofascism? :P
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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