[Nuke]

i really dont care if i get aids because if i get aids i also qualify for medical marijuana. i also get more free money and free health care from the governments. i dont give a **** about what the pope says.

[Scotty]

if you don't reward lessening of negative behavior you will never get positive behavior.

They're getting the reward of us not constantly calling them evil bastards for doing said behaviour.

Kinda like how that was still happening in this thread after the news?  Yeah, that's a great reward.

[karajorma]

I only said they wouldn't be called evil over the things they've stopped doing. They've got a vast reservoir of evil to still get insulted about.

Seriously though, if this was any other organisation other than the Church would you even care about people calling them evil?

[Scotty]

Yes.  I've already explained that I fundamentally disagree with the Church.  They get no points from me on that basis.

[karajorma]

Well that's your choice. I choose to call them evil because they fit the definition.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/oct/09/aids

The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which HIV can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.

The church is making the claims across four continents despite a widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to HIV.

A senior Vatican spokesman backs the claims about permeable condoms, despite assurances by the World Health Organisation that they are untrue.

In Kenya - where an estimated 20% of people have HIV - the church condemns condoms for promoting promiscuity and repeats the claim about permeability. The archbishop of Nairobi, Raphael Ndingi Nzeki, said: "Aids... has grown so fast because of the availability of condoms."

Sex and the Holy City includes a Catholic nun advising her HIV-infected choirmaster against using condoms with his wife because "the virus can pass through".

In Lwak, near Lake Victoria, the director of an Aids testing centre says he cannot distribute condoms because of church opposition. Gordon Wambi told the programme: "Some priests have even been saying that condoms are laced with HIV/Aids."

Panorama found the claims about permeable condoms repeated by Catholics as far apart as Asia and Latin America.

Now while ignorance might be the issue with those actually in Africa, those in the Vatican can't make the same claim. Especially not when they have been screamed at by the WHO for getting it wrong.

Now that they've back down on that nonsense I don't call them evil over that. Like I said, there's plenty more to call them evil about.

[Flipside]

There's an interesting editorial on it today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11813319

Once again, I can't comment on it, because I simply get too angry about all of this and the 'value' of human life according to the Vatican when compared to its agenda.

[Nemesis6]

There's an interesting editorial on it today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11813319

Once again, I can't comment on it, because I simply get too angry about all of this and the 'value' of human life according to the Vatican when compared to its agenda.

Well, you're forgetting that the vast majority of religions survive by devaluing the individual -- We need salvation because we're evil, vile sinners who deserve to go to hell! 

[Flipside]

Indeed, and the more obsessed we become with how 'evil' we are, the more we murder our own potential. Humanity is capable is heights and depths of massive extremes, but the heights simply seem to count for less and less these days, we are forever looking down on ourselves without realising that, in order to do so, we must be further up than we think.

[BloodEagle]

Especially not when they have been screamed at by the WHO for getting it wrong.

I feel the need to note that I read that as 'The Who', rather than 'The World Health Organization'. [/random aside]

[Kosh]

There's an interesting editorial on it today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11813319

Once again, I can't comment on it, because I simply get too angry about all of this and the 'value' of human life according to the Vatican when compared to its agenda.

That news image makes him look insanely evil.......

[MR_T3D]

There's an interesting editorial on it today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11813319

Once again, I can't comment on it, because I simply get too angry about all of this and the 'value' of human life according to the Vatican when compared to its agenda.

That news image makes him look insanely evil.......

that's a shop of the emperor from SW

[Mars]

Indeed, and the more obsessed we become with how 'evil' we are, the more we murder our own potential. Humanity is capable is heights and depths of massive extremes, but the heights simply seem to count for less and less these days, we are forever looking down on ourselves without realising that, in order to do so, we must be further up than we think.

I am quoting this and using it later, if it is favorable to you. Quoted and sourced to 'Flipside' of course

[Titan]

Sorry, but I think the Pope is seriously confused. He thinks there's male prostitutes who are devout-enough Catholics to listen to what he says. Not to bash anyone by mistake, but I don't think that a Catholic person who believed enough to listen to the pope would be a prostitute.

[General Battuta]

Sorry, but I think the Pope is seriously confused. He thinks there's male prostitutes who are devout-enough Catholics to listen to what he says. Not to bash anyone by mistake, but I don't think that a Catholic person who believed enough to listen to the pope would be a prostitute.

just the ones who believe enough to listen to their priests amirite

[mxlm]

Sorry, but I think the Pope is seriously confused. He thinks there's male prostitutes who are devout-enough Catholics to listen to what he says. Not to bash anyone by mistake, but I don't think that a Catholic person who believed enough to listen to the pope would be a prostitute.

1.1 billion Catholics. Pretty good chance at least one of them is a whore.

[Solatar]

How many of those 1.1 billion Catholics give a damn what the pope says about using condoms anyway?

[Mars]

Enough that it's a problem

[Flipside]

Indeed, and the more obsessed we become with how 'evil' we are, the more we murder our own potential. Humanity is capable is heights and depths of massive extremes, but the heights simply seem to count for less and less these days, we are forever looking down on ourselves without realising that, in order to do so, we must be further up than we think.

I am quoting this and using it later, if it is favorable to you. Quoted and sourced to 'Flipside' of course

Feel free. If it helps someone get a different perspective, it's all for the good