[jr2]

I support making a better FS2 retail... i.e.; trying to interpret what would have done if they had all the time and resources they wanted and the technology of today.

[General Battuta]

I support that too, but I don't support doing it in the MVPs.

[MatthTheGeek]

So yeah. I agree with MjnMixael doing the pure Faustus ANI for the MVPs, and make one available for DL with the Imhotep later on. Should make everyone happy

[Mongoose]

If you want a canon justification for there only being Terran ships in the .ani, keep in mind that Dr. Mina Hargrove was the one put in charge of the research team analyzing the Knossos.  Being a Terran herself, she probably would have had Terran ships at her service, though I'm sure there were Vasudans on-board too.

In short, I voted "no," but it honestly wouldn't have bothered me all that much if the Imhotep (IIIIIM-HOOOO-TEEEEP) made it in there.

[headdie]

If you want a canon justification for there only being Terran ships in the .ani, keep in mind that Dr. Mina Hargrove was the one put in charge of the research team analyzing the Knossos.  Being a Terran herself, she probably would have had Terran ships at her service, though I'm sure there were Vasudans on-board too.

To be honest I would expect for there to be ships from both species on a project like this, especially given it's magnitude (both physically and in terms of its potential impact on subspace travel) with Hargrove nominated by the GTVA to lead the effort.  I strongly suspect the only reason there are no Vasudan ships in the ani because didn't have a Vasudan science vessel to use and creating one would have been a lot of effort to go to just for one ani.

End of the day though canon is canon and for the purposes of FSU the new sequence needs to be as close to canon as reasonable, though if mjn.mixael wants to do an alternative later on that players can use if they prefer that's up to him and from this thread there is defiantly a section of the community who feel it would enrich the experience.

[Goober5000]

I would like to reiterate my earlier suggestion of the Setekh. It solves both problems, since it adds a Vasudan ship and stays entirely within canon. It doesn't even neccesarily need to be scanning the knossos with the green beams - just put it in the background somewhere to get the point across.[/bw]

One problem -- AWACS vessels weren't in service at that point in the campaign.

Off-topic: I really need to get around to playing ST:R one day. >_<

DO EET

there is defiantly a section of the community

i see what you did there

even if it was probably accidental

[MatthTheGeek]

One problem -- AWACS vessels weren't in service at that point in the campaign.

Citation needed.

[Snail]

One problem -- AWACS vessels weren't in service at that point in the campaign.

Citation needed.

No, not really. It's self-evident. Or at least very heavily implied to be the case.

[MatthTheGeek]

I was under the impression that, much like the gas miners, the AWACS were re-purposed for the nebula environment, as opposed to specifically designed for it. I may as well be wrong, but that was why I asked for citation.

[Snail]

I was under the impression that, much like the gas miners, the AWACS were re-purposed for the nebula environment, as opposed to specifically designed for it. I may as well be wrong, but that was why I asked for citation.

The gas miners were, not the AWACS.

[Mobius]

I don't want to offend anyone, but I find the narrow margin between those who want the Imhotep and those who don't want it to be weird. I thought most of us agreed on leaving things as they are, and work on graphical upgrades only.

Think about those who will be playing FreeSpace for the first time. They'll get confused.

[Goober5000]

The first appearance of either a Charybdis or a Setekh is in the second SOC loop mission, where the Hamako is described as "the new AWACS ship".  Also, there's this in the command briefing of sm2-01:

New Technologies

The Aquitaine will spearhead the next phase of our exploration and containment operation in the nebula. To help us achieve our objectives, the Alliance has developed new technologies, including Advanced Warning And Control Systems, or AWACS, and gas mining vessels to gather deuterium for our fusion reactors.

Prototypes of these new tactical weapons and fighters will be deployed pending successful completion of field tests. The 134th Barracudas will be conducting these combat exercises near the Gamma Draconis jump node.

[Black Wolf]

I choose to ignore that little snippet personally. It makes no sense to me that the GTVA didn't have some kind of gas miner prior to the nebula. The AWACS, maybe, but not the Charybdis. Especially since that'd meand that the GTVA designed and built 4 brand new capships between the beginning of the campaign and that point (Charybdis and Setekh, Zephyrus and Anukhet).

Not saying that should have any bearing on this debate (which I think mjn has already closed anyway) - it's just my personal view.

[Snail]

The gas miners weren't new, they were simply adapted for nebular use (the Anuket at least was).

The GVG Anuket was originally designed for resource extraction in the volatile environment of gas giants. More recently, the Anuket has been modified for nebular operations.

The Charybdis and Setekh might have been in production in secret for quite a while before they were actually deployed, but there is no canon info to support this.

[mjn.mixael]

Yeah, finished this ANI a long time ago.